@funkdaddy Okay, I get you on that.
@AreYou I’d posit that that’s got a lot to do with the decline in organized religion and attendance at churches. I just can’t go to a church that isn’t all-inclusive, I won’t. I can read my bible at home or watch a tv service, whatever, as long as I’m living like I’m supposed to do and praying, I feel okay with my choices.
(Progressive Christian) Well the bible also says not to judge each other and love your neighbor as yourself, so how do you reconcile that contradiction with your faith?
(hard liner:) Well as long as they don’t ACT on their feelings, they can FEEL however they want and it’s not a sin. If you know it’s a sin and ACT on it, then you are choosing to sin, so they’d go to hell.
(progressive:) So God created an imperfect human being? And if it is a sin, isn’t that between them and God?
(hard liner:) God created perfect beings, but some choose to sin.
Yes it is between them and God, but if I vote for it, or condone it in any way, I’m a bad christian for going along with sinful behavior. I definately could NEVER vote for it or I’d be just as culpable.
(progressive:) So what’s the answer here? Is it living a life of denial, like a hetero, or going to a ‘pray you straight’ camp? Would a lesbian couple be invited into your church?
(hard liner) Well of course they’d be invited to church, EVERYONE is welcome in our church. But we’d have to teach them that they’re choosing a life of sin, and when they’re saved, they will know they have to choose a hetero marriage to life a christian life. We have many lovely single people in our church and would help them find a good match.
*Some of you may not believe this conversation has ever taken place, but I assure you it does in many conservative areas. We had an open fight among local churches in the next big city, about who would welcome SSM and LGBTQ’s, with different pastors speaking out for or against. It really showed me how divided the religious community is. Don’t even get me started on the non-gender specific bathrooms, that was even worse as far as a public outcry.
Here’s one article to show you what it’s like here:
https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2017/03/10/fight-sogi-back-activist-leads-effort-reinstate-lgbt-protections-springfield/98948688/
My favorite response to some people is, God gave us a brain for more than a hat rack, use it.