Do you believe that the Grand Canyon is the ruins of an ancient civilization?

The so-called Egyptian story has been completely debunked, see snopes.
This is an excellent article about how ts came to be.

Hopi Indians? http://grandcanyonhistory.clas.asu.edu/history_nativecultures.html

I have not heard it was the ruins of but I have heard of there being a cave full of artifacts that were found and then either lost or taken by the government so as to provide deniable plausibility.
The oldest rocks are the Vishnu Schist at 1.8 Billion years old (although the Brahma and Rama Schists are of a comparable age, give a take a couple of million). They can be seen within the canyon walls while rafting and can be very nasty and sharp slicing rocks.

The Grand Canyon is a wonderful, mystical environment full of natural wonders. There is really no reason to make shit up. It is a place unto itself unlike anything else on Earth. When experienced, it changes your psyche forever.

No, I don’t believe that.

Someone is drinking too much windshield washer fluid.

Egyptian ruins, no. Formerly made home by natives yes.

I think not… though I think that’s more likely than what The Book of Mormon says happened in prehistoric America…

I have been to the Grand Canyon. I can definitely say that the part that I was in, wasn’t old ruins. It is gorgeous, and something that I recommend everyone see.

Preposterous nonsense.
It is an ancient weapons test site, where we tried out our space death lasers.

@ragingloli You still use lasers? I would just use a tractor beam on an asteroid or space trash and crash into the earth.

I said “ancient”, did I not?

@ragingloli You sure did. I stand corrected. Sorry.

Nonsense, probably started by the Russians. :-)

I do believe Natives Americans could have used parts of it as shelter. There are plenty of good spots.

It’s good that you all are reasonable concerning this. It’s astounding to me that there are some people who seem to believe the the most crazy ideas:

Professional wrestling and Roller Derby are real sports (not rigged).
Space ailians built the pyramids.
The Earth is flat.
The Apollo Moon landings were all fake.
The Book of Mormon is a true story. @Zaku HA! Good one! I read the entire BOM and modern science has proven that it never happened (geological and DNA evidence). But that doesn’t stop millions of people from believing every word of the BOM.

People are stupid, especially on the internet. I don’t understand why people need conspiracy theories to make the world interesting; I find the natural world as it is plenty interesting.

I remember reading an article on a science-based explaining why we only ever see one side of the moon. I thought most of the comments would be things like “wow, that’s interesting!”, but most of the comments were attacking the article claiming it was a conspiracy against the reality of the world being flat, and attacking people who defended the science as supporting “anti-Christian scientism”.

I just…I don’t know what to do about humans sometimes…!

@gondwanalon Look, I don’t really care if someone believes the BOM, they can believe what they want and I won’t try and rudely change their mind. But if we’re going to actually debate about it, I won’t hesitate to bring out the big guns… :P

@Demosthenes Was I being rude by pointing out that the BOM is inconsistent with reality? Sorry. I mean no harm.

I’m always kind to Mormons (some I consider my friends). I’ve gone to meetings at the Mormon church and in my home to discuss all of the many problems of the BOM. Most of the time there is no explaination given for the problems that I point out. Other times I get aswers like, “God wants us to have faith that it is true.” But I say that God gave us a big brain to see that it isn’t true.

@gondwanalon So, they are saying god lied to us, and we know it, but we have to believe it anyway because that is what faith is believing both the truth and the lies?

Yeah, I’ve heard of a few sites scattered across America that were, supposedly, ancient Egyptian settlements. All supposed evidence, however, always disappears, usually taken by the government at the behest of the Freemasons. Convenient.

The Mormons I have known regard the Book of Mormon as scripture. as valid as the New Testament, but do not talk or debate much about the North American history part (or similar things about race and history) —and don’t seem to mind this being unbelieved. They probably don’t believe it either, or find it indefensible The book of Mormon was written when ancient civilizations were being unearthed in Mexico, Central and South America, and very little was known about the Middle East and ancient times, and a lock to ‘wack’ theories about race (e.g. white supremacy, blacks being something less)were about.

Mormons want to be recognized, I think, as mainstream Christians and perhaps ought to be treated as such, even though their sense of history and cosmology and theology are actually very different. Most Mormons are very decent although quite conservative people and have clear rules and a strong sense of community. They deserve to be recognized as a valid religion even though there are problems with historical facts in the Americas, race, and cosmology in their sacred texts. I regard them as Christians even though I know our beliefs are very different.

There is a story of clay tablets with Phoenician runes on them that were supposedly discovered along the Rio Grande in the Big Bend area of Texas. They also disappeared once the government got their hands on them.

Mormons also study and worship the Holy Bible and believe that Jesus is God. They do a lot of good and are good people. I think that also calling them Christian is accurate.

The only reason that I mentioned the BOM is that it’s on my list of fascinating things that people believe in. Surely phychologists have investigated how and why people believe things despite presented counter indicated evidence.

Perhaps some of us have a “believe gene” that offered an evolutionary advantage in certain ancient and primitive situations. For example: You must believe without questions what the group leaders say or become outcast and likely die. I’m glad that some of my outcast ancestors lived. HA!

Natives built pyramids, huge, in Illinois many centuries ago. At least one was bigger than any in Egypt. Maybe hearing about that got some juiced imagination going.

They weren’t pyramids, not like Egyptians and Aztecs built (ie: using stone, etc) but rather were big earthworks. The largest of which, Monk’s Mound (Cahokia, near present day East St. Louis) wasn’t nearly as tall as the Great Pyramid of Giza however. Cahokia itself is believed to have been one of the largest cities in the world at its peak.

The Grand Canyon cover up is described in a book I am currently reading, for completely unrelated information.

Unearthing Ancient America is a compilation of various records and accounts put together by Frank Joseph.
A number of persons considered experts are cited in the book.
According to what I read, a natural cave was manually altered with numerous and sizeable chambers and passages. There were hieroglyphs and mummies there which were Egyptian like but definitely not Egyptian.
The canyon itself is definitely nature made, but there is thought that the river is not the single contributer to its depth. It is thought the emptying of a large lake may have speeded the carving of the canyon. That seems to me likely, considering the findings of the Scablands, and how it was likely not formed by glacial movement, as was first believed, but by the rupturing of a glacial dam, which turned loose tremendous quantities of water instantly. An occurrence which is dramatically represented in the second Ice Age movie.

The cave was reportedly discovered during a photographic expedition by a man named Kincaid.

Here’s an article about the 1909 Newspaper Hoax involving the Grand Canyon.