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Should people have to ask permission before they record your actions?

Asked by LadyMarissa (16302points) June 1st, 2018

I jump all over the internet reading about what’s going on in the US & the world. Over the last month or so, I discovered a couple news articles about 2 people who were secretly recorded in situations that looked bad at first glance that turned out to not be as bad as it seemed. In another story, a man was arrested for secretly recording women for his own perverse pleasure. They were all in a public place.

Of the first 2 I mentioned, one was fired from her job of over 30 years. Once her attorney explained her side of the story & more appropriate questions were asked, she was reinstated on her job. The other was a man who was forced to close his business that he had been working to build for over 40 years. Now, after hearing his side of what happened, I’m beginning to wonder if the news stations aren’t jumping the gun on reporting things that look bad that actually have an acceptable explanation.

Now the guy that was arrested & accused of being a perv hasn’t had the opportunity to tell his side of the story & the press hasn’t reported enough for me to even know what he supposedly did wrong. except that he didn’t have permission to do whatever it was Since it’s illegal for a person to hide a camera & record guests in their home, should I not also be protected from others making me look guilty when I’m NOT???

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elbanditoroso's avatar

I can’t speak for the criminals you mentioned.

I’m not a criminal, and my feeling is that my image belongs to me. No one has the right to photograph me (or film me, or broadcast me) without my OK. This would be true on the street, in a store, at a mall, in a stadium, anywhere.

If my image is close enough to see the features of my face, the you need my permission.

It’s a personal autonomy thing. I own my image.

LadyMarissa's avatar

@elbanditoroso Of the 3 I referenced, only ONE was automatically considered a criminal & he was the one doing the recording!!!

The other 2 were recorded in secret & they discovered they had been recorded when they saw themselves on the news. One was given the choice to retire or be fired, the other arrested until they could look into it further. The one retired/fired was exonerated & has been returned to her job. The other had just happened & his explanation makes sense to me; so, it will be interesting to see how long it will take them to determine his fate.

Now days you don’t have to be a criminal in order to be accused of doing something wrong. All it takes is somebody taking a vid on their cell, the vid being shown on the news with NO audio, & the reporter giving their version of what they want us to see.Then, when the accused is exonerated of everything the’ve been accused of doing, there is a quiet piece saying “OOPS”!!!

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LadyMarissa's avatar

My point is that IF you take a 1 minute clip out of anyone’s life, you can make anybody look like a monster. With the editing capabilities now days, who knows what is real & what has been faked.Too many people want their 15 minutes of fame & are going to excessive extremes in order to get it. In the one case, it was a 15 second clip that had been looped to make it appear worse than it may have been.

I live close to a Georgia lake. Headlines this morning “Alligator in Hartwell Lake”. On checking closer, the alligator was a well painted piece of styrofoam floating in the lake. In the meantime, the original video had been shared over 40,000 times before the story could be retracted. The “it’s a phony alligator” story is NOT being shared!!! I know that’s not exactly the same thing; but, it still bears out our need to share horrible information!!!

Guess my question should be…do we always see what we think we are seeing???

snowberry's avatar

@LadyMarissa In the case of the media, just about never. You will always see or read what the reporter wants you to see.

I live in the US. I do not have a choice who records me or when. There’s facial recognition cameras everywhere. And of course we all know about privacy violations with TSA. So this thing about people not having a right to record me seems kind of bIzard. They do it all the time whether I like it or not.

It’s a well-known fact that the TSA employability people with dubious backgrounds and morals. There’s no reason to suppose they wouldn’t share photos of me if they are given access to them.

So I suppose the law is that a private individual can’t take photos of other people in public or private… How about people who put security cameras in their home? Do they need to have guests and employees sign a statement of consent before they enter?

And of course we haven’t even gotten into security cameras taking photos of criminals who break and enter. Here in the US we’ve got convoluted laws that make it a criminal offense to defend yourself in your own home. So of course by that standard, it should be a criminal offense to take photos of anybody (including criminals), whether on your own property or in public, except by their express written consent.

LadyMarissa's avatar

@snowberry I also live in the US & I don’t like all the cameras that follow me everywhere I go!!! Still a person makes ONE error of judgment in their day, somebody grabs a camera or phone to record it in order to be on TV for maybe 30b seconds. The person recorded is damaged from loss of job & any possible future employment. I think the person doing the recording & providing it to the press should be charged IF what they recorded does not prove to be true.

What seemed so ironic to me was that 2 people were maligned by someone recording them & those doing the recording are considered a hero. The 3rd person recorded someone & he’s going to jail for doing it. I just don’t understand the logic!!!

I don’t have cameras around my house & I don’t visit homes that do. IF you can’t trust me to be in your home without recording my every move, then we aren’t friends & I won’t be back once I know I’m being recorded!!!

I scares me to hear people saying “Oh well, that’s just the way it is”. I’m NOT OK with it & I’m sure nobody really cares; but, IF nobody complains, nothing will ever change!!!

snowberry's avatar

Ultimately it’s just another form of gossip.

NomoreY_A's avatar

Welcome to 1984. About 34 years late.

LadyMarissa's avatar

@snowberry I never cared for gossip either!!!

@NomoreY_A I was hoping to die before 1984 became a reality. Guess I didn’t make it!!!

PIN_24's avatar

All I can say is that the purpose of recording matters. So, does the location at which I am being recorded. If I am being recorded at a public location without my permission, then, the person who has recorded has to provide the reason for recording. He/she needs to be goven a fair chance to explain the intention of recording. If it is for a good cause, then I don’t mind about the consent. However, the person has a malicious plan behind the recording, then the law should take its own course against such people.

On the other hand, a CCTV surveillance in ATM’s, Banks, shops, hotels and private societies should not require anybody’s permission prior to recording.

LadyMarissa's avatar

@PIN_24 Welcome to Fluther!!!

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