What are your feelings on the recent summit between us and N Korea?

If there is no shooting war that’s good. If North Korea starts liberalizing and treating its people better that’s good. It’s to imagine that happening with the current leadership, though. They’re only going to become a normal country if trade opens up and they get a lot of exposure to other societies.

Smoke and mirrors.

Solid concessions from Orange 45 in return for nothing more than, essentially, an “I promise to think about…” from Doughboy.

This has been a great example of how right-wing and militaristic liberals are. The #Resistance is attacking Trump from the fucking right.

N Korea’s promises were not kept the last few times: https://www.wired.com/story/north-korea-summit-denuclearize-history/

@notnotnotnot

I may be liberal but I’m no pacifist and never have pretended to be. Sorry if that offends your sense of ideological purity.

@Darth_Algar: “ideological purity”

All fluff. No meat.

It follows directly with everything I predicted all along, starting before the election.
Kim wants to be a player on the world stage.
The people of NK are expecting certain behaviors from their leaders, and to keep their respect it required a lot of posturing from him, and anyone he is going to deal with.
I expect there will be an accord, eventually, though I don’t discount the possibility of occasional bumps sometimes.
I predict Kim will visit the US before Oct.

I find it funny that liberals heads are about to explode. They teed off on President Trump for talking tough, claiming he was going to start WWIII. They ridiculed him for not negotiating. Now that he has, all they can do is tee off on him again for negotiating. I think my take away from the US/NK summit is that liberals are nuts.

I find it funny that liberals heads are about to explode

Gosh, look at our heads exploding. Can you believe the unhinged hysteria I expressed in the first response? Haw haw! Trump sure showed me!

@Call_Me_Jay ever hear the saying that you are judged by the company you keep? Might want to look at your peers and see if they express the sense of decorum you want to be associated with.

ever hear the saying that you are judged by the company you keep? Might want to look at your peers

Thanks for the advice, person who votes with the Klan and Nazis!

@seawulf575

There’s a lot of ground between being recklessly bellicose and captiulating to a hostile regime and getting nothing of substance in return.

For all his tough talk Trump went completely limp with Kim. After the meeting he was practically tonguing Kim’s asshole. Oh, and that image of Trump saluting the North Korean general made for wonderful propaganda for Kim.

I will give Trump credit for the effort. But I am bothered very much that he chose to personally engage in a meeting with Kim prior to an agreement. Trump as a diplomat makes about as much sense as enrolling a hyena in a finishing school. Trump bumbled his way into Singapore without a thought as to why it is that every U S President since the Korean War, regardless of ideology, has scrupulously avoided conferring ANY NK regime the legitimacy inferred by a formal meeting with a sitting President. It was the card Kim wanted desperately and Dufus gave it to him FOR NOTHING. Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing and the North Koreans played him for the intellectually barren sap that he is.

Kimmy is playing Trump. He want to make asses out of us while still intending to complete the invasion/takeover of South Korea like his grandpappy intended.

Trust me, Trump knows how to negotiate. He has built empires.

He knows how to swindle a chump or default on a loan. He’s great at defrauding banks, fleecing contractors, and cheating anyone else who works for him. But he is the most ignorant and clearly unqualified man you will ever see when it comes to matters of state and EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. This is precisely why Korea, Putin and anyone else who prefers to see us in the toilet can’t wait to talk to him. He’ll give away the farm precisely because he’s so woefully ignorant of any and all aspects concerning it, and steadfastly ignores the council of those experts who do. In fact the man’s ignorance is so profound that he lacks the ability to recognize or understsand who those experts might be.

Trump doesn’t need you to understand him or his methods, nor does he have time on his hands to clue you in.
The next generation is watching, and can see how unrealistically the liberals are twisting things to protect their egos for having chosen so very wrong. This behaviour is going to influence a whole batch of them to vote republican.

You think so? I refer you to Seawulf’s astute observation above about “being known for the company you keep” and ask you what it says as that company is one after another carted off to jail? While those of recognized competence and integrity refuse to be trapped in the same room with the man, let alone work for him?

Trump certainly doesn’t need me to understand his methods, but only those as clueless as himself fail to discern that there are no viable methods available when ignorance prevails as the dominant characteristic. Incessant puffed up bragging is no substitute for talent or ability, and wishing will never make it so.

And my point about liberals is made quite eloquently on these pages. Most of you cannot even type the words “President Trump”. You are all quite pitiful.

You poor souls don’t even understand that the crisis around Trump is beyond issues of liberal vs. conservative, though the prevailing trend is that so many of you fully cognizant of the truth shamelessly betray your supposed principles for a man distinguished for his lack of both principles and integrity. For those of you convinced my complaints about the man are simply the musings of a hopeless liberal—you have my sincere sympathy. Those of you who DO know better and believe your ideas will prevail through simply slapping the title of President on a visible turd—good luck with that!

I love the way conservatives get bent out of shape when Trump is criticised, but they had no problem trashing Obama for 8 years, and still talk shit about Clinton who (news flash) has been out of office for several decades. If you can’t take the heat stay the hell out of the kitchen.

@NomoreY_A
Well, you know the mantra of conservatives everywhere:
“The Führer can do no wrong.”

Regardless of all the other comments, it does seem like a good attempt at better relations. It’s good to see. I hope it works out.
How Kim would react in the US would be interesting, too.

And the beat goes on. Let’s take it apart a little further: @stanleybmanly You put on your tin foil conspiracy hat and go to town. You spew about innuendo and things that “are sure to happen any day”, yet never occur. Look at some of your comments here. You are bothered that President Trump (my term since you cannot actually type it), met with Kim Jong-un before the summit. No real explanation, just rant as a back up. You refer to President Trump as “Dufus”. @NomoreY_A you have nothing but hate for the president. You cannot actually type the words “President Trump” either. You have referred to him as “Chump”. You try to deflect that observation by saying conservatives had no problem trashing Obama for 8 years and Bill Clinton who has been out of office for several decades. It is true, I cannot find one redeeming thing about Obama as president. But you don’t find me calling him names and I can articulate my concerns and point to facts as opposed to spewing. @ragingloli you are probably the worst since you really make no comments at all, just spew hatred. Boys, you continue to cement my opinion that liberals’ heads are blowing up and that liberals are loons.

You are mistaking hate for the truth.

They can’t handle the truth. And if I had a dollar for every “Obummer” and “Slick Willie” I’ve heard from conservatives, I could make a down payment on a new car. I’ll say it again, they can dish the shit but they can’t take it. Conservative pot, thou art black.

Only a down payment? Christ, I could purchase the car outright with cash.

@ragingloli If you truly believe your spew is truth and not hatred, I feel sorry for you. You don’t even recognize what a hater you are.

@seawulf575 You should think more & preach less. When was the last time you referred to Obama as President Obama? Take your time. I’ll wait. I don’t refer to any of them, Clinton, Obama or Trump as President because it isn’t necessary. I assume you have the sense to realize that I’m not talking about Trump the baker or Obama the florist. Dufus is the polite term for the man duped into granting Kim legitimacy as Trump’s EQUAL. It is a MAJOR BLUNDER, and one that was religiously avoided by ALL of PRESIDENT (are you happy now?) Trump ‘s predecessors. It amounts to an open declaration on Trump’s part that “I don’t know what I’m doing.”

And if they don’t respect my POTUS I’m damned if I’ll respect theirs. I never liked Trump anyway. From long before he had any political ambitions.

@stanleybmanly I haven’t referred to Obama as President Obama since he left office. But you can attempt to justify your hatred all day long. I get it. You and the rest have to give legitimacy to each other. Carry on. Just don’t expect me to go along with your lunacy.

@NomoreY_A and that answer solidifies the lunacy of which I speak. “My POTUS” or “Their POTUS” speaks volumes of the lunacy. You don’t have to like President Trump…I’m certainly not suggesting that. You are allowed to disagree with his policies all you like…that’s what makes our country great. I would be willing to bet a shiny new dollar that you don’t know him personally, so to claim you don’t like him as a person, is just more of the fantasy.

But let me ask…how would you view someone if they had consistently referred to Obama as Dufus or Chump or Brown 45 or any of the other idiotic names you and the rest of the loons on these pages use for President Trump? How about if they did nothing but spew innuendo without a shred of fact to back it up? How about if they had demanded that he take one course of action and then slammed him for taking it? What would your view of them be? I can tell you what my view would be….they would be nuts. I’ve seen people do this and have commented on it in the past. It makes those people look crazy and hateful. Might want to step back and take an honest look at things.

You don’t want to go there man. If you seriously think that people of your political views have never called names or bad mouthed a Dem Pres or candidate for Pres then please tell me what planet you’re living on. And you right wingers take the cake on nuts. Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity to name just a few. Lunatics? You boys wrote the book on it in my state (Texas). It wasn’t so long ago that a bunch of you whack jobs, Right Wing “talk radio”, most of our Republican Legislature, and our Governor Greg Abbot were spreading all kinds if certifiably insane bull shit about a military operation, Jade Helm, where in Obama was supposedly going to declare martial law, take guns from citizens, and imprison “dissidents” in Walmart basements (?). So go ahead, pull up a chair, get comfortable, and you tell me all about lunacy and tin foil hattery. I’m all ears, because you guys wrote the book and filmed the movie.

You really are threatened, aren’t you? Did you actually read what I stated? I have seen the same garbage you are doing done by the right. And I have called it out for what it is…being nuts. But please…feel free to stoke your hate all you want. So let me ask something: You seem to have a hard spot with the way right wingers have behaved (in your eyes), so why do you emulate them?

I have no time to emulate you guys, my right wing bud just told me that Obama is sending men in black to arrest me and torture me in a KMart attic,
soon as he overthrows Trump and takes over the Government with Hillary. I know it’s true because he heard it on Fox News, shining beacon of truth in journalism. And you guys are always fair and balanced.

I think it was well intended. I think Trump would have been wise to listen more to experts, about NK. Then he wouldn’t have been caught off guard by a general not accepting his hand shake. Trump didn’t know what to do in that moment, so he winged it by saluting. He doesn’t understand the intricacies of such gestures, or how such things that seem trivial, can be much bigger. I wager that his advisors would have told him not to even attempt to shake the general’s hand.

The world was watching, and yes Trump screwed up a few things. In the end, I think things are temporarily calmer. That’s a start. Most of the mistakes Trump made, will be used as propaganda on Kim’s already brainwashed people, so I guess no big loss there.

Most people who already thought Trump was an idiot will have more proof. No change.

Most of Trump’s already brainwashed sheep will ignore reality, and eat whatever bullshit sandwiches Trump feeds them. Again. No change.

Trump managed to make himself look incompetent to the world. Again. No change.

I do think that Trump, and Kim have a lot in common. Perhaps that will somehow benefit any negotiations. I still think Kim is up to something. Time will tell.

I definitely give this first round to Kim. But there’s more to come.

I will refer to Donald Trump as president once he demonstrates an ounce of understanding and respect for the office and the gravity of it.

^Sooooooo. Never…...

While no one knows how the disarmament of nuclear weapons in NK will play out, credit to Trump is due for the release and return of three US prisoners.