@Dutchess_III ” It’s just that seeing the same thing happen over and over and over again was just frustrating.”
I’m sure it is. No one likes being continually passed over for a job. But that happens regardless of who the other candidates are. I have a friend who is leaving academia because he has only been able to find one job in five years, and even then it was only a one year position with no chance of renewal. This is in a discipline where pretty much all of the job applicants are white and male.
@Demosthenes “I would like to find more information about how race is “considered” in admission.”
I can tell you something of how it’s done where I work. All applications are stripped of demographic data for the first two stages (in which most of the winnowing occurs). This is where people whose grades, test scores, and/or writing skills indicate that they simply will not be able to hack it are removed from consideration. The point of the first two stages is to get the number of applications down to a manageable size.
So depending on the size of the applicant pool, many people who probably could have hacked it may also be removed from consideration in favor of more desirable candidates. Basically, the initial applicant pool is reduced to a size slightly larger than the number of admission offers the university plans to send out (which is itself slightly larger than the number of offers that are likely to be accepted).
In the third stage, the remaining candidate’s unredacted applications are distributed among the various admissions officers according to which division they are involved with (e.g., Arts and Sciences, Visual and Performing Arts, Business, Engineering, and so forth). Each officer is tasked with selecting a percentage of those applications to forward for admission to the selection committee (acting as advocate for their selected candidates).
In the fourth stage, the selection committee discusses each of these candidates, voting to accept, reject, or revisit. If they end the first round of voting with a full class, they’re done. This almost never happens, meaning it is time to return to the “revisit” pile. At this point, the candidates are evaluated “holistically,” meaning that factors beyond grades, test scores, writing skills, academically relevant extracurricular activities are taken into consideration.
There are two places, then, where affirmative action comes in. The first is in stripping all of the demographic data in the first two stages (thereby eliminating the possibility of excluding all or most members of any particular group from the pool of applicants still under consideration). The second is in the “revisit” round of the fourth stage where race may be considered as one factor among many when filling out the remaining open slots.
Of course, this is an idealization. Once the applications are unredacted, bias of all kinds can seep in. Note, however, that the initial redacting of applications is itself one of the fruits of affirmative action. The old system meant that bias could be used to exclude people at every step of the way, often in ways that were much harder to detect (because of how much winnowing occurs in the first two stages).
I don’t know anyone who would say that the system is perfect. No system will be perfect so long as prejudice exists in our hearts and minds. And of course, there’s always been the problem of potentially winnowing out people who would have done well at a school in the initial phases (something that is true with or without affirmative action because it is a product of human limitations regarding the size of the applicant pool). But the procedures are always being examined for ways to improve them, and the process gets tweaked every year based on the best data available.
“I’m aware of the sanitized ‘gotcha’ definition of ‘affirmative action’.”
It is neither “sanitized” nor a “gotcha” definition (nor was it offered as any sort of definition at all). It is the original and ongoing purpose of affirmative action and appears as such in textbooks, encyclopedia articles, and much of the academic literature on the topic. Indeed, there has been a great deal written on the issue in both political philosophy and political science that you would do well to familiarize yourself with if you are interested in the topic.
It’s fine that you haven’t yet done so, of course. Nobody can read everything, and not everything is worth reading. But while I don’t expect you to agree with me just because I might know more about this topic than you do, I am also not obligated to cater to your misunderstandings. The proper response to someone operating under the theme park version of an idea is not to play along, but to lead them away from the funhouse mirrors.
“I’m against discriminating by race.”
I am, too. That’s why I support affirmative action, which exists to help people who have historically been discriminated against for their race.
“As John Roberts said, ‘the way to end racial discrimination is to stop discriminating based on race’.”
And affirmative action is aimed at a very real way in which people are discriminated against based on their race. So unless it’s a meaningless tautology, that quote seems to support my position perfectly well.