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stanleybmanly's avatar

Is the conclusion of the Mueller probe likely to coincide with the midterm elections?

Asked by stanleybmanly (24153points) July 21st, 2018 from iPhone

how significant would you expect the results to be on influencing those elections

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ragingloli's avatar

He should release it right during the “election”.

MrGrimm888's avatar

That would disappoint me. The timing would indicate that there was indeed partisan biased involved in the investigation.

Regardless of the findings, it won’t flip any Trumpers. It’s timing would simply add validity, to the conspiracy crap that the Trumpers have been regurgitating from conservative media…

ragingloli's avatar

@MrGrimm888
Conservatives were fine with Comey starting another futile round of “But-her-emails” during the last election.
In fact, they were so fine with it, they still think that there was a conspiracy in favour of clinton.

rojo's avatar

The probe will end when Mueller feels he has taken it as far as it can go and is reasonably assured he can verify his conclusion. I really cannot see this happening within the next few months unless something substantial happens.

However, you can bet this is something that is being discussed and what the repercussions would be.

seawulf575's avatar

It probably will come out before the midterms. It will hurt the Dems either way. As @MrGrimm888 stated, if it pops out right before the midterms it will show partisanship. But it would only be useful to come out then if there were actually something to show other than innuendo. On the flipside, the Dems have been clinging desperately to this investigation despite evidence showing no collusion. It makes them look partisan anyway. For it to come out that there is no collusion between President Trump and the Russians it will add veracity to the Repub claims of wasteful witch hunt. And it will make it look like the only reason it waited until after the midterms was to avoid making the Dems look really bad. The damage control would be easier upfront. Of course there is a third option…the idiotic investigation could continue on for another year and come out between elections. Of course that will cost the taxpayers another $20M dollars, but hey, it’s only tax dollars.

stanleybmanly's avatar

So the 29 indictments resulting from the “idiotic waste of time investigation” are meaningless? We would be better off if Flynn (who is dead center guilty of collusion) were still White House national security advisor?

stanleybmanly's avatar

There’s the 3rd possibility that the investigation just happens to wind down in the Fall. And from the results thus far, the conclusions will be so damning that the timing will be submerged to insignificance. And if you really believe that it is the dems who have been and will be damaged by this investigation you really are living a fantasy.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Manafort has been taking opera singing lessons while waiting for trial.
The lawyers in his case have been given a list of potential jurors by the judge, so maybe sooner rather than later we will all hear, Manafort sing to avoid hard prison time.

flutherother's avatar

@seawulf575 Foreign powers try to interfere in the US presidential elections and you think it is idiotic to investigate?!?

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly and @flutherother Yep, the investigation is an idiotic waste of time. There have been 29 indictments…none of which involved collusion with the president. Oh, and once again…Collusion is not a crime. The entire idea behind this investigation is a sham. It has shown nothing that required a special prosecutor and should have been turned over to normal law enforcement avenues. It has wasted tens of millions of dollars chasing shadows to keep the weak-minded left clinging on. It has been an idiotic waste of time. It was designed to cast a bad light on the president…that’s it. Combined with a complicit media and that is about all it has done…cast a bad light.

flutherother's avatar

@seawulf575 Would you have been happier if the investigation had been carried out through normal enforcement channels? I don’t think so. The special counsel was appointed so the investigation would be independent and could proceed without political interference.

Mueller is looking into the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in US elections. To me it would be idiotic not to look into it. Trump should give Mueller his full support by shutting up and letting him get on with it.

The investigation is about the integrity of the US democratic system. It is bigger than Trump.

seawulf575's avatar

@flutherother That is wrong on every level. Here is what it states as the purpose for the Mueller investigation:
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

It wasn’t to look at Russian interference…that was already done before the election. Obama told us it had no impact on the election. It was a cheap political ploy to try discrediting Trump. Let’s look at the indictments that have come out of it. Several of individuals that had committed crimes 10 years before the election. That is not something that needs a special prosecutor…normal law enforcement could have take over on that. Several of Russian businesses that supposedly took actions to interfere, though no Americans were involved. Again…more cases that did not require a special prosecutor. Repeat that with the last charges against Russian individuals. Again…no Americans involved. Again…no special prosecutor required.
You can believe that it is about the integrity of our electoral system, but that is a crock. It was about trying to find dirt on Trump. It is spelled out in the directive…links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump.
Here are some questions that the left never wants to answer: What was the actual interference? What was the impact? If this was not political in nature, why are there no Republicans nor Independents on the Mueller team? Why was nothing done to investigate the Steele Dossier? It is at the heart of all this and the Mueller team, despite having the latitude to look into it, did nothing with it. That is disturbing in itself. If I were conducting an impartial investigation, I would look into the evidence that people are giving me…especially after all sorts of questions were raised about it. Why did Mueller do nothing with that? There are many parts of this investigation that are nothing but gaping holes. And those gaping holes all point to partisanship…an effort to target only President Trump.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@seawulf575

How long have you been a member of the communist party? ?

stanleybmanly's avatar

That’s a pile of shit and you know it. Let’s work backwards. You don’t know for a fact whether or not Mueller is investigating the Steele dossier. No one will know until the process is completed, because Miller and his team remain steadfastly leakproof. Why are there no Republicans on Mueller’s team? Mueller himself is known to be a lifelong Republican. Crimes from 10 years ago-more bullshit. These people, were indicted for crimes committed during the runup to the election, and even while Trump was in office. And every one of them as well as many yet unindicted were up to their necks in slimy entanglements with Russian kleptocrats and Kremlin bigwigs. Kushner to this day is denied a high security clearance for this very reason, and when the axe falls on his neck he will have the satisfaction in knowing that his father in law is almost certainly doomed to serve as the final big turkey in the criminal parade.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@seawulf575 you act like you are not just pro-Trump but

PRO-PRO -Putin !

flutherother's avatar

@seawulf575 The title of the order setting up the Mueller investigation reads as follows “ORDER NO. 3915–2017 APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS.

The first paragraph of the order contains this phrase “to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian govemment’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election”

And yet you say its purpose was not to look at Russian interference?

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie Communist? No, that would be Obama, Hillary, Sanders, Warren and the like…you for instance.

ragingloli's avatar

Everyone is a communist in the eyes of a nazi.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly Let me say it’s hard to investigate something you are using as a fact in the rest of your investigation. The Steele Dossier is at the heart of the entire Trump/Russia collusion. If you question the dossier, the rest of the narrative falls into pieces….and you know it. Don’t play the fool.
Crimes from 10 years ago: Manafort – The indictment charged Manafort with conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts, being an unregistered agent of foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, and false statements. Those all occurred back in the mid-2000’s when he was lobbying for a number of foreign leaders.
Gates – mostly tax evasion items from 2010. Not quite 10 years, but certainly before he was involved with the Trump campaign.
Papadopoulos – lied to FBI about a conversation he had with a Russian professor before he joined the Trump campaign.
Flynn – I’ll give you Flynn, but it was about lying to the FBI and what he lied about was not a crime. If he chooses to lie, he should be burned.

So those were some of the big players. A couple of tax evasions and bank frauds that go back almost 10 years and a couple of lies to the FBI. So which of these really required a special prosecutor? People lie to the FBI all the time and we don’t get special prosecutors to deal with them. Ditto that tax evasion and bank fraud. And none of those charges even come close to showing any collusion between Trump and Russia to interfere in the election. AND, I will say it again…collusion is not a crime in this case. You would have to build it up further to be some sort of conspiracy to have any teeth. Mueller can’t even prove collusion so conspiracy is out of the question.

seawulf575's avatar

@flutherother Yep the title says it was about Russian interference. But when you get to the direction to the special prosecutor…what he is supposed to investigate…it changes to Trump/Russia. The title means nothing…the order means everything.

ragingloli's avatar

Which people with brains will notice, are intrinsically linked together.

seawulf575's avatar

And people that are brainwashed will not be able to differentiate.

ragingloli's avatar

For instance, you.

flutherother's avatar

@seawulf575 The entire document is the order. It is called an order. You can’t take bits of it and say this is what it really means.

seawulf575's avatar

@flutherother A book is an entire document. The title isn’t the story. You have to read the entire thing. You were trying to take just the title and claim that was the whole document and what it meant. When you get to the actual story, it is different from the title.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@seawulf575 . You defend the Muslim ban, by pointing to the way it’s written out, and that on the face of it, it doesn’t mention Islam. So. By your logic, it doesn’t matter what is really going on, as long as it doesn’t look bad on paper.
And yet. Here you are contradicting yourself, by telling @flutherother that “the title means nothing, the order means everything.”...

Again. Very Trumpy of you. @Hypocrite575….

seawulf575's avatar

@MrGrimm888 Let’s look at what I have said about both of these. I have stated that what was written inside the order for the special prosecutor is what is important, not the title. I have stated that what is written inside the travel ban is what is important, not the false name people had for it. I have been consistent to the nth degree in looking at what the body of these documents are, not the titles.
On the flip side, not one of you liberals can argue the facts. The verbiage of these documents is irrefutable. So you try arguing from a point of lunacy. How very liberal of YOU.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

It must be a Trumpy thing to “Call a person out as bad”

You must a liberal

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie You are really an interesting case. You never really contribute, but rush in to snipe at someone and then run away again. You are like a little yappy dog that runs around yapping and peeing on stuff. You seem to have strong convictions, but refuse to actually state them or defend them…just snipe at people that disagree with them.

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