Is there any rhyme or reason for illiterate people when they're picking out which form of "there" to use?
I just saw this on FB. It’s regarding someone who was camping, and some people in the next tent were having sex:
“When there done the Tent campers on the other side Clap and Woo Hoo and someone else says Aww.. their making Babies”
Do they just pick random “there’s”? Is there any rhyme or reason in deciding which one to use?
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Well they knew that something was going on so they used there. And then they were referring to people so they used their.
The rest is done by autocorrect.
But…“When there done,” also refers to people, so if there is any logic a’tall, they both should have been “their” (by their logic.)
Iffen it was me, I’da used the unyversal thar.
Their = a belonging Their dog. Their house
They’re = they are (’ takes the place of the missing a)
There = that place (over there).
@kritiper the vast majority of us here know that.
I feel it’s all a matter of phonetics.
And education (or lack of willingness to be educated).
If one didn’t pay attention, or weren’t interested in learning the grammar of their own language, then they lack the knowledge.
Closest next thing to do is go by sound, and since all three sound alike they go for whichever they feel like, or for the only one they do know.
Sidenote: I see it go wrong so frequently that I sometimes have to think twice now….. :-)
But phonetically they all sound the same.
Yes, they do. But they don’t mean the same.
Do you not understand the question @kritiper? I’m not asking to be educated. I’m asking if anyone understands the illiterate person’s LOGIC in choosing one form of “there” over another. Or could they write the same sentence 6 times and use a different form randomly?
@Dutchess_III ^^^^ and ^ Stupid is as stupid does. What cha gonna do?? Some people will get it right all the time, and all people might get it right some of the time, but maybe not everybody is going to get it right all of the time. Generally speaking, of course…
...so don’t take it personally…
Anybody else appreciate the irony of referring to someone who communicates via a written media as “illiterate?”
In all reality, the question is redundant. When does an idiot ever exercise logic? Much less proper English grammar?
But the point of conversation is to get one’s point across, mindless of wrong use of words, misspellings, what-have-you…
Rhyme or reason? Well there/their/they’re all rhyme. And the reason the 3 words are interchangeable is because the speaker cares not which is appropriate. Illiterate is probably a stretch, but the writer risks the appearance of illiteracy for the lazy convenience of thoughtlessly writing whatever falls first from his head.
I think some of the semi-literati use “there” for all occasions, because it’s the easiest to type.
I make the mistake and I’m not illiterate. I think most frequently I type “there” when I mean “their”, maybe because “there” is the easiest to type and I type somewhat quickly.
@Call_Me_Jay Aren’t you the same jelly who writes “kindergarden”? ;)
Why refer to someone who confuses their/there as illiterate?
I did say I would likely type “kindergarden”. And I would not notice the error if someone else wrote it. No kids, so I haven’t used the word much for a few decades.
When my daughter advanced to first grade, she received a certificate declaring she successfully completed kindergraten.
@Call_Me_Jay Fair enough. There are plenty of things I wish I didn’t know about from having kids. Like blowouts or hand foot mouth. Ha.
They probably aren’t illiterate…just don’t care!!! My brother recently retired from 40 years as a college professor & has degrees out his arse. He can’t spell worth a crap & his brain is so full of what HE considers to be “important” that he just doesn’t care that he’s not spelling properly so he doesn’t take the time to correct his spelling because he’d rather do things that are “important” to him!!!
I responded to a Q here a few days back & when I proofed my response, I had inadvertently reversed the 2 spellings. I KNOW the difference; but as I’m often commenting, my fingers don’t care what my brain knows & they simply type them wrong!!! I had proofed it several times before I caught the misspellings.
My point…they might NOT be illiterate…they probably just don’t care that it bothers you!!!
What patty melt said. Here there is only one form of “their, there or they’re” it’s “thar” and is usually followed or preceeded by a qualifier like: “Yuns gonna eat that thar pie” or “thar outta be a law gainst them thar long haired folk riding thar bikes on the street”
But they don’t write it like that.
They typically write it like “there”
In your example about, all of the “thars” replaced “there.” So what do they say for “they’re,” and “their.” “Thar shoes are in the bathroom.”? “Thar going to get their shoes.”? And would they also write all those forms as “there”?
No are after thar.
“Thar shoes in the bath room?”
Yes, bathroom gets to be two words.
“Thar gonna git them shoes!”
I wrote two books with summons talkin’ that way. Had tuh keel spellcheck.
Telling you, thar is multipurpose. Yer sposed to listen. The rest of the sentence tells you which thar it is.
Right. Just wondering how they would spell it if they were writing it out.
There’s where your frustration comes in. Spelling is one way, and pronunciation often another.
LOTS of people mispronounce words, including professional speakers. Such as, bet if you were not concentrating on it, you would call them perfessional speakers. Many do.
R E are frequently turned around also, into an er pronunciation.
How many people say perspective buyers when the only perspective buyer I know, is Ego, in Ratatouille, when he asks for an order if perspective?
What our Princess jelly has is a prospective buyer.
I’m not referring to accents or how words are pronounced or spoken. I’m referring to the written word.
That is just it. Spelling is away from how the majority pronounces several words already.
That’s why some don’t even bother to try.
I’m in fog phase the past couple of days, or I could give you several examples. Maybe later.
I once read that some day we’re going to have a written language and a spoken language and they won’t match. I believe it, too. It’s already happening. I mean, where do you get “wood” from “would?” I believe it goes back to the old world, original pronunciation.
Hope you get to feeling better @Patty_Melt.
The key word here is illiterate.
It means unable to read or write.
So that being the case it’s sort of a miracle they don’t spell it “ther” or “thair”
That’s been pointed out 4 times now, @josie. I should have used another word, but I don’t know which one. “Stupid,” maybe? But then the 2 or 3 of hypercritical individuals we have lurking around, just waiting to find something to insult, would be jumping down my throat for being judgemental. There is just no winning at this place.
@rebbel Oder der?
Up above you said “Oder der.” Oder is German for Frankfurt. “Der” translates from German to the English “of the.”
Or der doesn’t make any sense!
@Dutchess_III “Oder” is not German for Frankfurt. (Not sure if you are serious.) “Frankfurt” in German is “Frankfurt”. There is one on the river “Main” and one on the river “Oder”.
“Der” can mean “of the”, but also just “the”.
“Oder der” means “or the”.
And here is the google translate that came up when I Googled “Der.”
And BTW, I don’t speak German so I don’t mind being corrected. I was just showing you what I came up with when I Googled. I have no way of knowing whether what I am reading is right or wrong.
@Dutchess_III My question would be WHY do you feel the need to “call” them anything. Your Q could have just as easily read Is there any rhyme or reason for people when they’re picking out which form of “there” to use? Illiterates don’t know better & smart people just don’t care!!!
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