Is anyone enjoying the Omarosa Manigault versus Trump fight as much as I am?

I feel it is a perfect sample of how much (some) people in the White House trust each other.

It’s a wonderful illustration of why you expect sewage to collect in a sewer.

I think you’re being unkind to pigs with your comment.

It doesn’t interest me much. When she was on Celebrity Big Brother, she kept spewing on about Trump getting all kinds of attention from his haters. Of course she didn’t impress me long on The Apprentice when she kept treating people terribly and throwing hissy fits, too bad, she’s a nice looking, intelligent woman, wish she could rise above the drama to be a role model instead of attention seeking brat.

I looked a bit up on her. Apparently she’s secretly taping conversations in the White House? What kind of conversations?

I am not enjoying it in the least. It is yet another example how our nation is declining and I despair.

I don’t know if it is a good thing or a bad thing but whenever I think of it I am reminded of the “Squeal like a pig, boy” scene from Deliverance.

wish she could rise above the drama to be a role model instead of attention seeking brat.

Because the President would never engage in drama and attention-seeking. He only engages in name-calling and hateful Tweeting to protect the integrity and dignity of the office.

@rojo
The better pig reference is “never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.”

Applies to both parties.

Both are attention seeking liars & I have NO real interest. I’m keeping up with it much like I keep up with Soap Operas. I read the headlines & don’t really care how the plot plays out!!!

It really makes me sick that the presidency has fallen even lower than a really bad episode of Big Brother. I can’t stand Trump, this reinforces it, but it’s very harmful to our country. He let that woman in the White House as a top official knowing nothing about her, just like he has done with all the many others he has hired and fired at warp speed. I can’t enjoy the country falling apart like this. The bigger question is how is he still in office?

@chyna – I see it a bit differently.

The US is sinking like the Titanic. Even when the original Titanic was going down, the string quartet played classical music up to the very end, to reassure the passengers.

If the US is crapping out under Trump, at least we have ‘bread and circuses’ on the way.

Why is it taking so long to get him impeached?

@elbanditoroso I see it all as a huge joke too. Ya gotta laugh or you’re gonna cry.

@Dutchess_III

Opposition to impeachment seems to be a rare point of agreement between Trump’s followers and the leadership of the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader in the House, told me, “I don’t like to talk about impeachment.” She explained, “Impeachment is not a political tool. It has to be based on just the law and the facts. When I was Speaker, people wanted me to impeach George Bush for the war in Iraq because it was based on false information, but you can’t just go from one impeachment to the next. When we are in the majority, we are going to try to be unifying, and there is no way to do impeachment in a bipartisan way right now.” The numbers back up Pelosi’s wariness. According to a Quinnipiac University poll taken in April, fifty-two per cent of American voters oppose impeachment. Another poll from around the same time reported that forty-seven per cent would definitely vote against a candidate who wanted to remove Trump from office.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/28/will-the-fervor-for-impeachment-start-a-democratic-civil-war

Most enjoyable part is he gets to be your president for a long long time yet.
Keep whining though coz hey…ya never know huh? :D

@KNOWITALL Not a Pelosi fan, but she’s right about that. I felt the same way about that judge being recalled in California. Just a political tool. It’s getting rid of someone because you don’t like them, not because they broke the law.

Anyway, I guess the feud is kind of entertaining, though it does seem a bit petty and trashy (not that I’m surprised that’s happening under a Trump presidency, given his whole personality up to this point). I have a “put up or shut up” view about all these “tapes”, though.

It’s fun, but more appropriate for Trump Tower or Mar-a-Lago than the White House.

It’s all a fool’s circus.

I’ve never paid attention to who she is or what she does. I’m trying to stay away from the circus, give my money where it will help people and wait for the endgame.

The article I read, said she recorded Kelly firing her. The article claimed that it was likely she had recorded unknown numbers of conversations.
They allegedly offered to keep her on payroll, in a different role. They said she could work, or not, but she would be paid. Why do this? To be an employee, she would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. It shouldn’t take a genius to infer they were trying to pay her to stay be quiet… Who knows what she has recordings of. Probably scares the administration…

They are a perfect match. Omarosa could be Trumps next trophy wife. No I’m not following. I am listening to music on cable.

@MrGrimm888 As I understand it, if you are in a public position in the government, signing NDA’s does not apply and may, very well, be illegal. There are security clearances and other systems in place. NDAs are for private businesses. (Edit… and before you correct me, I know he had his staff sign them and it was ridiculous. No one had ever heard of such a thing in the White House before.)

On further reflection, has anyone considered it’s probably another deflection process from the Trump Administration…makes me wonder what it is they need to hide now???

The jaw dropping fact that is forgotten in this truly silly episode is that just as with the overwhelming mass of Trump appointees, no one even bothers to ask “what the fk is it that qualifies THIS woman for high government office?

‘Only the best people….....’

Just listened to some of Omarosa’s own recordings and she alledgedly misused govt vehicles and or property. So we’ll see what happens.

It would be funny if these deplorables are not running the country, hurting people and dragging this country down.

And who eats paper? Oh yeah someone who would want to have a Space Force.

Just remember that Trump has hired this woman 4 times & now he’s saying what a rotten person she is. WHY would he hire such a rotten person FOUR times???

I still see it as the Art of the Deflection!!!

^I agree. Smoke and mirrors.

What gets me is the feigned outrage from the conservative camp at the idea that someone who worked for such a scumbag would do such a dastardly deed as record other scumbags. Seriously? She worked for Trump. Can you honestly expect less from someone who would stoop so low. I am sure others involved have done the same thing (think M. Cohen). CYA is the name of the game here when you are dealing with criminals.
And I don’t think that condemning the messenger and trying to bring the focus on her actions instead of the actions she exposes will work except for die-hard supporters of the Trump administrations graft and corruption who don’t care what he does as long as they believe they are winning.

I would think that signing a non-disclosure would come under the same laws as psychologist / patient. By law the doctor can’t discuss a patient’s mental issue, unless they have indicated they are breaking the law, or going to break the law. So if she records something that suggests Trump is deliberately breaking the law (which he does 20 times a day before breakfast) then she is legally bound to report it to the authorities. Or is this a different situation?

Well. I doubt any of the recordings would be admissible in court, if she has anything real bad. It seems clear, she intended to get/keep dirt though, just in case.

Yeah. Just scumbags, working with scumbags. They’re something to watch. And then there’s the defense of their actions by Trump supporters.

@KNOWITALL is, IMO, a very smart jelly. Yet. Even she is missing the point and spreading counter bad news about Omarosa…

@MrGrimm888 I know I know, I like to hear ALL sides of a STORY not just the ones that coincide with my demonization of an entire political party. That was on the news btw, not the deplorable hotline or We Love Trump magazine…haha!

As a former cop, did you just get ONE side of the story and book ‘em? Doubtful. That’s not what smart people do.

I would think that signing a non-disclosure would come under the same laws as psychologist / patient

As @ScienceChick wrote, a private non-disclosure agreement for government service is not enforceable. Omarosa’s employer was the United States of America.

The NDA was a pledge of personal loyalty to put Donald Trump’s interests above those of the United States.

Oh…...

That was on the news btw

It was on the news six months ago. If you’re hearing it now, it’s because far-right “news” outlets are scrambling to clog the air with something other than current embarassing events.

@Call_Me_Jay If you choose to Google, you’ll see new developments from CBS, Washington Examiner, People Magazine, Twitter, CNN, The Today Show, and more….maybe you need to catch up on current developments. Trump is apparently taking legal action against her now, and of course, calling her names…haha, unexpected right?

@KNOWITALL Something that was reported in February is a current development?

OK. You go with that.

Way to play ‘one-upmanship’ on the newest news knowing… geez folks. Just because it was reported months ago, doesn’t mean it is ANY less relevant. Your American 24 hour news cycle has you all very tetchy.

@KNOWITALL . I call false analogy. The contents of the recordings, have nothing to do with any of Omarosa’s actions. THAT’S the deflection. It’s the constant tactic of this administration. Yeah we did that, but forget that, because this person did that.

There is only one side of a story in a recording, or image.
Context, is important. But that’s not important, in this case.

Think of this, as if it were a series of photographs, instead of recordings. It’s a visual record of actual events. If authentic, it is undeniable evidence of whatever the contents are.

When talking to a couple after a domestic violence call, there are indeed two stories. The wife may have cheated on the husband and he discovered it, and beat her up. But. The wife’s infidelity, is irrelevant to the fact she has bruises. The husband will go to jail.

If there is anything that the Trump administration doesn’t want “out,” on the recordings, it changes nothing about the authenticity, or the contents of them.

Again. There is only one side of this story…

I can’t find any information about if a sitting President has the right to take legal civil action against a former employee that was serving in the White House. I think they have to be federal criminal charges that the FBI would handle… or am I wrong? Can someone find anything on that? I do love those legal procedural programmes from US television.

@KNOWITALL I fully understand and appreciate your wanting to get both sides of the story but it kind of has that ring of Trump saying “There are good people on both sides” in the white supremacist issue.

The whole situation reminds me of a court case I was called to jury duty for where two rival drug gangs shot each other up. The deal went bad. Both sides broke the law. Both sides claimed the other started it. Both sides were shooting with illegally obtained weapons, Both sides hit the other but there was only one fatality. The basic legal argument was that, yes, both sides were “bad dudes” but the other side was worse. (no, one side were just better shots, or luckier).

The general consensus of the jury pool was WTF. Who cares, one less dealer on the streets but there had to be a trial anyway.

@rojo You have to tell me more about that. Was that a civil case one gang took against another rival gang?

IMHO, his calling her names such as dog, scum of the earth and saying bad things about how hated she was by co-workers only shows him in a bad light. Not her. If she was all that, why did he hire her? He needs to get back to President business and get out of the grade school play ground.

@rojo Here we go with the broad generalizations again.

Maybe you dislike animals. Does that mean you are not a good father, or businessman, or husband? No, it just means you don’t like animals.

@MrGrimm888 Okayyyyy, she recorded the conversation in which she got fired….what planet are you on today?

@Call_Me_Jay Obviously you didn’t Google it since there have been at least three updates just this morning. It’s such a dumb argument, I can’t even.

@KNOWITALL If you can’t even… then how about you don’t. Step back. You’re not being objective about this and this isn’t even a personal issue for you. Trump is being childish. That is supported by the evidence of his tweets. Omarosa is hardly a reliable source, unless she can back up her claims with proof. Honestly, I feel like I’m watching a Punch and Judy show on Inception mode.

Obviously you didn’t Google it since there have been at least three updates

I was referring to the use of vehicles. You know that. If you’re seeing that in the news, it’s just people rehashing old stories, as I said, to clog the discourse.

@ScienceChick There are two very different legal processes – civil and criminal.

Civil is private people/entities suing each other for things like breach of contract. Criminal is the government prosecuting people for breaking laws.

Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., the campaign entity, has initiated civil action against Omarosa, claiming that their agreement covers her work in in the White House

Criminal prosecution would come into play if Omarasa broke the law. For example if she disclosed confidential government info, or if she recorded illegally. There is no criminal action at this time.

@ScienceChick Please don’t give me unsolicited advice.

Omarosa is a joke, agreed.

@KNOWITALL You are on a site that is all about unsolicited advice. Perhaps you should rethink your involvement here.

Actually, I believe people who do not like animals DO have other problems that may manifest themselves in ways that are not acceptable in our society so yes, I would be suspect of someone who does not like animals is probably deficient in other areas of social interaction just as I suspect that someone who is a white supremacist is not someone you would want to be around either or that someone, anyone who would work for Trump is not a self-serving, bootlicking, scumbag who would sell their own mother into sex slavery if they thought it would benefit themselves.

Omarosa may be a joke but no more of one and no less of one than her former boss.

@Call_Me_Jay I understand the two different types, but I don’t fully understand where their powers begin and end. It sounds like there is going to be, if nothing else, legal presidents set after this mud slide of a presidency. Then again, mudslides do contribute to the arable land. This could be one of those situation where the mud is slurried, but then there is some gold in the pan in the end.

Omarosa is a joke, agreed

And thus Trump is a man of honor and integrity.

Conservative math, ladies and gentlemen.

No…. that isn’t math at all. It’s a logical fallacy is what it is.

It amazes me that Trump perseveres. He has reduced his Presidency to a tasteless joke, as the parade of his appoinments reveal themselves as criminals or scandalously inept. In a sense, we
lucked out only because so many distinguish themselves as either inept criminals or criminally inept. It is the sort of spectacle we are unlikely to to ever experience again simply because it is unimaginable that this level of incompetence could manage to ensconce itself at the levers of power. We’re living through a never ending episode of “Absolutely Fabulous”

@stanleybmanly only no where near as funny or as enjoyable.

But it is morbidly spectacular, and even riveting entertainment. I mean can anyone here even guess how many higher ups in this administration have been either booted away in disgrace or drug away for prosecution? This is without question the record for corruption, criminality and blinding incompetence.

@KNOWITALL . I’m afraid I don’t understand your response…” she recorded the conversation in which she got fired…What planet are you on today?”

I’m not sure what you are suggesting, or what relevance it would have to the authenticity, of any contents…

It suggests that she recorded many encounters with the administration. Likely to blackmail them, or save her own ass. Shady people do shady things. They assume other shady people do bad things. I wager, with Trump’s cast, that recording each other, and trying to gain leverage is common.
It suggests that she assumed that Trump, or someone else close to him was likely to say, or reveal something illegal or damaging, was going on.

I restate my opinion, that nothing legal will come of this. But she may have a library of tapes with Trump’s “best people, ” saying amazingly terrible things…

And no… What she had for breakfast yesterday, won’t change the contents of those recordings…

Could be right. The tapes could be pulled out at a later date to compromise him, like if he decides to run for Holy Ruling Monarch of the Universe.

All I can figure @stanleybmanly, is that somewhere, somehow, someone is shielding him from the thoughts and opinions of the majority of the population, and only letting the ego stroking praise through. I think he thrives on being worshiped. I think it would level him to know that exactly the opposite is actually happening.

He insists on hearing ONLY what fits in HIS thought process; so, most of his staff ONLY tells him what it is that HE wants to hear!!! The truth is that he doesn’t give a rat’s ass what others think of him because in his mind, he is the ONLY ONE WHO IS RIGHT & NO other opinion counts!!!

In his business life, ALL employees had to sign an NDA when hired & on departure. He now INSISTS that any new hires sign the NDA even though it is NOT binding within the Federal system. So, NDA’s are still required on entry & exit just to keep him from throwing a hissy fit!!!

I think he actually deeply cares about what others think of him. He’s always talking about such and such group really likes him (when they don’t) or how well he gets along with this other group (who despises him too.) He is always looking to hit that “wow” factor in people, that admiration. He’s being shielded from the truth somehow.

I think if Trump were evaluated by a psychologist, or psychoanalyst, we would see a multitude of personality disorders, and potentially some mental illness. I don’t think that anyone really has any control over him. Or surely they would try to keep his declarations, that really make him look bad, from reaching public the eye…

It’s often not what Trump says that surprises me. It’s that any political advisor, would allow him to say it…

No matter how deplorable this time is in history, it is certainly very interesting…

Bush was not a good president, but at least he could be controlled.

@MrGrimm888, short of ripping the microphone out of his hand when he blurts out something he was told specifically to avoid, what can they do?
Short of grounding him from his Twitter account, what can they do?
He’s like a 16 year old. If a person has never had a 16 year old they don’t know how crazy it is that any of us have any control over them. In reality, we don’t. And the really bad ones take advantage of that and just do what they want.

The GOP should get a body double of Trump, and put the real Trump in an iron mask, in a tower. If the Three Musketeers can save him, let him out again, and maybe he can have a dramatic sword fight with his usurper.

You’ve been watching too many detective movies!

@Dutchess_III “Bush was not a good president, but at least he could be controlled.” True enough but unfortunately his handler/puppet master was Dick Cheney.

Yep, the same Dick Cheney who did an extensive search for a qualified VP and concluded the only viable candidate was…. (wait for it).... Dick Cheney! Brilliant

Of ALL the scum, that’s gone through the Whitehouse, Cheney should have been dragged out and lynched on the lawn.

I don’t think it would be a big stretch, to blame him for most of the bad things that have happened in the Middle East, since the W. Bush administration. He’s responsible for the deaths, and suffering of billions of people. All while trying, and succeeding, at increasing his already godlike wealth.

I hope he dies a horrible death, and burns in Hell…