What exactly is "toxic masculinity"?
When does masculinity cross the line into toxicity? What have been your personal experiences with it?
Ultimately I am skeptical of the utility of this phrase. But I hear it a lot and am curious to know what people mean by it.
Please no whataboutism. If you want to talk about “toxic femininity”, you can post your own question about it.
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To me “toxic masculinity” suggests an over abundance of aggression and all that comes with that. Arguments with people, fights, sexual promiscuity in an attempt to prove his masculine prowess.
“I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”
LOL! I actually started to use trump as an example but he is such a pussy with tiny baby hands it just didn’t quite work. :)
Try this: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Toxic_masculinity
“Toxic masculinity is one of the ways in which Patriarchy is harmful to men. It refers to the socially-constructed attitudes that describe the masculine gender role as violent, unemotional, sexually aggressive, and so forth.
A well-known masculinity/men’s rights movement that is not mostly anti-feminist has yet to appear. For a silencing tactic used to discredit patriarchy’s harm to people who are not men, see Patriarchy hurts men too.”
(Examples follow at the link.)
@Dutchess_III Yes, though the distinction of the “toxic” part is about how its nature actually has a very negative impact on men by confining them to negative mindsets, ways of being, ways of relating, dead-end conflicts, inauthenticity, cuts them off from aspects of their true selves, etc.
Some of that is nature, but a lot of that can be nurture. They have a dad who won’t have no Goddamn pussy for a son.
Men not being allowed to cry.
Man up, boy!
You going to let him talk to you like that? Open up a can of whoop ass son!
What do you mean you won’t try out for football, you some theater nancy?
You going to let that girl tell you what to do? I wouldn’t put up with that for a second.
*We have some really toxic mentality here in some families.
My friend Sally used to talk about how men in our (blue collar) job suffered from Testosterone Poisoning. I’m guessing that’s pretty much the same thing.
This is what the Gillette advert is getting at & it clearly refers to macho bullshit that still rears it’s ugly head even in today’s supposedly less neanderthal world.
In my own experience, “toxic masculinity” is often homosexuality in deep denial.
Such a man adopts exaggerated male stereotypical behavior, because he wants to be the opposite of a “sissy.” He emphasizes physical strength, including the beliefs that danger is exciting and violence and anger are manly. He’s also sexually aggressive – predatory, really – with women, and he has callous attitudes about his encounters.
The word “misogynist” gets thrown around much too liberally. The sort of man that I’m describing, however, can truly misogynistic. He resents women because they can’t fix him. If he isn’t attracted to his partner, it’s her fault; she isn’t attractive or feminine enough. If he doesn’t enjoy her company, it isn’t because he’d rather be with a guy; it’s because she’s too boring, stupid, ignorant, etc.
I forgot to mention extreme homophobia. A toxic man hates gay people; he’s repulsed by gay men, and he wants to “f*ck the dyke out” of lesbians. He might limit his rage to words, or he might make his aggression physical.
Self-loathing is profound and damaging, and oppressed homosexuality is a panoply of fears and pain.
Not sure
But I bet it has something to do with people like me. Whether I deserve it or not.
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