Do you think that the real reason for the shutdown was to hamper the Mueller investigation?

I think it to distract distract distract. Oh threatening Cohen father-in-law, I think Trump is on the edge, Giuliani’s quote, “well there might have been collusion”, but but but not Trump !

Someone has his private parts in the meat grinder and will end up causing Cohen under subpoena in front of the Congress.

Money will cause hardship but Mueller will bring the end to the show.

This was asked several days ago but oddly enough I can’t find the OP.

Well, the article I quoted just came out today. I hadn’t heard of this until I read it.

Here’s the previous question on this topic.

I don’t know. Why don’t you ask Pelosi and Schumer if that was their intent.

It is the politics of distraction, but it is also the sociopathic lack of empathy. The Trump millionaire cabinet don’t care about or understand the struggles of the average worker.

@seawulf575 Your boogie men Pelosi and Schumer want to vote on a budget but GOP leaders NO !
WE are all being held captive by GOP not the Dem’s, oh the Dem’s might a little to the left of Skin heads so we’ll wait. The GOP will lay blame on anybody but the orange headed Sixth grader.
Trump is looking for a phalic object with long long wall!

It’s different @janbb. I didn’t think about the shut down actually affecting the investigation. That’s not the same as diverting public attention from it.

@Dutchess_lll Yeah, I see what you mean.

@seawulf575 . Your response was irrelevant. Trump has long ago claimed personal responsibility for the shut down. As usual, straight from Don’s stupid mouth…

I always wonder why Trump supporters choose to be selective, in what exactly they believe from Trump’s lips…

@Dutchess_lll To divert or affect gets the same outcome. Deflection. The questions are very similar. @janbb is biting his tongue.

@Tropical_Willie funny thing with your comment. When the Repubs took the house under Obama and they wanted to vote on a budget, Obama and the Dems said no, yet the Repubs were the obstructionists. How does that work? Oh wait! I got it….Dems can do no wrong in your world. Never mind.

@MrGrimm888 Yes, Trump said he would take responsibility because Pelosi and Schumer were being hypocrites. Remember that under Obama they once proposed more money to fund the wall than Trump is asking for. I guess they were insane then?

@seawulf575 , The fact is that Congress approved a budget and Trump refused to sign it, triggering the shutdown. He even made statements immediately afterward proudly taking responsibility. This is the first time in American history that a shutdown was started by the President.

second link

@LostInParadise your links show you have no idea first off what you are posting and secondly that you don’t understand how passing budgets work. Your first post shows that the Repubs in the House pushed through a budget proposal that included $5.8M for border security including the wall. But it states the Dems in the Senate have enough votes to block that from being passed and will do so. For a budget proposal to go to the president, it has to pass both the House and the Senate. So the DEMS are the problem on that one, not the Repubs or Trump. Your second link has Schumer saying that there are solutions that could pass both the House and the Senate right now…except none of them have actually passed both. He is blustering. Right now, nothing has actually gone to Trump for him to veto (or refuse to sign). Trump has made it clear that he is demanding funding for the wall. Whether a wall is good or bad is another debate, but that is all he has done…demand. He hasn’t actually refused a budget so far since nothing has made its way to his desk yet. Congress is, once again, dysfunctional.
Going forward you might want to actually read the articles you cite and see if they actually say what you think they say.

@LostInParadise here is a listing of suggestions that Trump has offered up that the Dems have rejected

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/24/democrats-reject-shutdown-deals-trump/

So while Trump did say he would be the bad guy, who is actually keeping the government partially shutdown?

Trump is.

Okay, so we agree that Trump is the one who shut down the government.

All the offers still include the Wall, not very much of a compromise. The Democrats have made offers to upgrade border security without the wall, which Trump flatly rejects. The consensus among experts is that building a wall is not a cost effective way of improving security.

It is not cost effective, or effective period. I just don’t understand how trump can be so obtuse.

Here’s the solution:
Trump signs legislation to reopen the government.
He the declares a national emergency on the boarder, and announces the military will begin building the wall.
Democrats sue the government to stop it.
The. Courts agree with the democrats, and prevent the military from the construction.

End result: everyone can claim victory, and blame other factions for the failure to build the wall.

@seawulf575 . You do realize that the cost, and effectiveness of the wall are why it has so much opposition. Trump knows, as do the dems, that the cost could eventually surpass $30 billion. It’s a black hole construction project. The US would be throwing billions at it for years.

IF the wall would be remotely effective, then I’d at least be willing to discuss it.

You may also note the irony of Trump calling for thousands of years old technology for border security, and also saying that we need a Space Force.

As I’ve mentioned before, Trump’s wall has already been proven to be able to be cut through with a simple hacksaw…

Rumor has it that Trump is supposed to agree to partially reopening the government today.

You know, not every single government agency is shut down. Teachers are still getting paid. Welfare workers are still getting paid. I messaged a former coworker who now works for the state welfare department and she said their money comes from “a different pot,” so they aren’t being affected.

@filmfann , It looks like that is quite likely. Does anybody here seriously believe that Trump, the grand deal maker, improved his bargaining position by reopening the government.

He thinks he does. I honestly he believes that everyone is going to just love him for saving the day….again.

He may be in for a rude awakening

Some of my very Conservative neighbors think it was to teach the “left” a lesson; as to who controls the country (don’t need no stinkin’ Congress or Supreme Court) SMH

Just another example of Trump saving the country from his own blunders….

Munchhausen syndrome.

^Hmm. Maybe it is something like that…