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flo's avatar

What other terms (other than Almond Milk) don't match the ingredient/s?

Asked by flo (13313points) February 23rd, 2019

Example
https://tinyurl.com/y553lorc (washington post , big dairy, almond milk)
Added:How about veggie burger? most people think burger means meat right? What else?

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ragingloli's avatar

american cheese.
no cheese to be found.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

“Milk” does not refer only to dairy milk. It can also refer to non-dairy milks like almond milk or coconut milk. This definition of the word is at least 800 years old.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Hamburger contains no ham.

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flo's avatar

@JeSuisRickSpringfield I’m not talking about usage. There is a definition for what milk is. C,nutritionists, dieticians doctors know.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

@flo I’m not talking about usage, either. I’m talking about definitions. Here’s a dictionary definition for you:

milk

1. A white liquid produced by the mammary glands of female mammals to nourish their young. From certain animals, especially cows, it is also called dairy milk and is a common food for humans as a beverage or used to produce various dairy products such as butter, cheese, and yogurt.
2. A white (or whitish) liquid obtained from a vegetable source such as almonds, coconuts, oats, rice, and/or soy beans. Also called non-dairy milk.

And here’s another dictionary definition:

milk

1 An opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young.
1.1 The milk from cows (or goats or sheep) as consumed by humans.
1.2 The white juice of certain plants.
1.3 A creamy-textured liquid with a particular ingredient or use.

Finally, here is an Oxford Dictionary blog post on the matter.

And for what it’s worth, I’ve known plenty of doctors, dietitians, and nutritionists. None of them take issue with the fact that almond milk is a kind of milk.

Kardamom's avatar

A “burger” can be meat, but it more aptly describes a patty on a bun, hence veggie burgers, bison burgers, mushroom burgers, steak burgers, blackbean burgers.

Definitio of burger: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burger

Kardamom's avatar

Here’s one though, elephant garlic.

zenvelo's avatar

Pineapple. It isn’t from a pine and it isn’t an apple.

ragingloli's avatar

Or eggplant.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Cottage cheese, ribeye steak, angel hair pasta, hot dogs, catfish, chef salad, baked alaska, hush puppies, pigs in a blanket, cream of wheat

flo's avatar

@JeSuisRickSpringfield You’re telling me about the dictionary giving it’s usage definition not the… ( whatever the word goes in the blank) without say so, which is why I wouldn’t choose the dictionary.
“the latex of a plant”,(another?) dictionary gives as definition. It’s not milk.

flo's avatar

…Added: cleansing milk’: A creamy-textured liquid with a particular ingredient or use.
Not milk just white liquid.

flo's avatar

https://tinyurl.com/y52hmvwk (it’s not allowed to use the word milk on Almond ..)
https://aaccipublications.aaccnet.org/doi/pdf/10.1094/9780913250945.001 (Properties of Milk and it’s components (I don’t know the site)

Demosthenes's avatar

I’m told that Grapes Nuts contain neither grape nor nuts.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

@flo All definitions are usage definitions. We don’t define words in ways that they aren’t used. The rest of what you’ve written is incoherent nonsense or links to things that don’t prove your point (one is a link to a Google search rather than an actual document, and the other is to an article that is specifically about dairy milk).

flo's avatar

Milk; ’‘Its major components are water, fat, lactose, casein, whey proteins, and minerals (or ash) in amounts varying with the milk of various species of animals”
https://aaccipublications.aaccnet.org/doi/pdf/10.1094/9780913250945.001

“Milk is a good source of calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, selenium, and zinc. Many minerals in milk are associated together in the form of salts, such as calcium phosphate. In milk approximately 67% of the calcium, 35% of the magnesium, and 44% of the phosphate are salts bound within the casein micelle and the remainder are soluble in the serum phase. The fact that calcium and phosphate are associated as salts bound with the protein does not affect the nutritional availability of either calcium or phosphate.”

“Milk contains small amounts of copper, iron, manganese, and sodium and is not considered a major source of these minerals in the diet.”
http://www.milkfacts.info/Milk%20Composition/VitaminsMinerals.htm
Almond milk, cleansing milk, the latex of a plant…do not have these components.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

@flo Those are both articles about dairy milk. No one is denying that dairy milk has different components than non-dairy milk.

flo's avatar

The word I was looking for way above is standard, the opposite of usage. So, any good dictionary should distinguish the standard definition and usage.
By the way I wonder what the word is for non dairy white liquid since there is no such thing as non-diary milk.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

@flo If there were no such thing as non-dairy milk, then we wouldn’t need the term “dairy milk.” The term “dairy milk” exists precisely because there are other kinds of milk (e.g., coconut milk). And again, all definitions are usage definitions. You are looking for something that doesn’t exist in an effort to prove something that isn’t true.

flo's avatar

“coconut milk”: liquid found in coconut that just happens to be white, but is not milk.

flo's avatar

..which is why quote unquote on “coconut milk”

flo's avatar

There was no need for the term “diary milk” until the terms “coconut milk” etc. appeared on the scene and the sellers of actual milk needed to make sure that there is no complication. There is just milk (an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young”), and then there are all other liquids that just happen to look like milk.

Kardamom's avatar

Coconut milk is actually not he liquid inside of a coconut (that you can hear sloshing around when you shake a coconut). That liquid is coconut water.

You can read here about the differences between coconut water, coconut cream, cream of coconut, and coconut milk. They are all different things:

https://www.thespruceeats.com/coconut-cream-milk-and-water-1328438

zenvelo's avatar

There was no complication in understanding soy milk or almond milk until people realized dairy milk isn’t as healthy as they dairy farmers would have us believe. Then when they started to lose business, the dairy groups got indignant about using the word milk on labels.

flo's avatar

Whether it’s the fleshy part, or the part that looks like water, or the part that looks like milk in the case of coconuts, and in case of other fruits the seeds, they are all found inside the fruit or vegetable. Whether it's closer to the core or closer to the skin.

flo's avatar

@zenvelo Soy : “the liquid obtained by suspending soybean flour in water, used as a fat-free substitute for milk, particularly by vegans and by those unable to tolerate milk products.” If anything why wouldn’t the soy juice producers and almond juice producers call them so instead of using the word milk?

zenvelo's avatar

@flo, No, because they are used in the same manner as people use dairy milk. People think of “juice” as sweet and from a fruit.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

@flo “There was no need for the term “diary milk” until the terms “coconut milk“ etc. appeared on the scene”

Okay, but that was over 800 years ago. No one had any trouble understanding it was milk back then, so I don’t see why it’s a problem for you now. In fact, here is an article I found on the issue titled “Nut Milks Are Milk, Says Almost Every Culture Across the Globe.” And here’s a relevant quote from the article:

“Linguistically speaking, using ‘milk’ to refer to the ‘the white juice of certain plants’ (the second definition of milk in the Oxford American Dictionary) has a history that dates back centuries. The Latin root word of lettuce is lact, as in lactate, for its milky juice, which indicates that even the Romans had a fluid definition for milk.”

Whether it’s the fleshy part, or the part that looks like water, or the part that looks like milk in the case of coconuts, and in case of other fruits the seeds, they are all found inside the fruit or vegetable.

Are you under the impression that dairy milk does not come from inside the animal?

Dutchess_III's avatar

“Milk” sounds more appetizing to put on your ceral than “almond water,” or “almond juice.”

Where are the seeds in a coconut?

stanleybmanly's avatar

@flo Focus on @zenvelo ‘s answer above, and remember the adage that “form follows function”. The slogan also holds true for the designations of things when it comes to language. Soy milk is more convenient while just as accurate as the clumsier soy milk substitue. The word soy eliminates the need to otherwise stipulate that it is NOT a dairy product yet serves the same functions. It’s like rubber cement. No one mistakes the label to mean a cement made from rubber.

flo's avatar

Imagine if I continue calling tissue paper “Kleenex” even after I learn the correct words to use. Imagine if I make a lot of excuses for continuing to call any tissue paper “Kleenex”.

Kardamom's avatar

^^ Again, what???

Dutchess_III's avatar

Why don’t I see the seeds when I crack open a coconut, @flo?

ragingloli's avatar

The coconut IS the seed.

JeSuisRickSpringfield's avatar

@flo Imagine if I continue calling tissue paper “Kleenex” even after I learn the correct words to use.

That’s called metonymy, and it’s very common in all human languages.

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