Is there anything you are compelled to concede to the "other side" about the Trump Presidency?

I despise Trump to a violent degree and would love nothing more than to see him in ruin. However, one error Obama made I feel was imposing the penalty fee for those individuals that don’t have health insurance. I rarely get sick, I generally have a great immune system and I try to always stay safe, therefore I often don’t see the need for health insurance for myself in the current standard that it is today. I’d obviously enjoy and support a single payer system but beyond that, the one thing I’ve appreciated that Trump in all his failings has done is (and I’m still hopeful that it’s true, sort of the “believe it when I see it”) remove the penalty fee for people not having insurance. I thought this tax season it would’ve been removed but it’s next year. So I had to pay a penalty fee this year but I’m hoping next year that it will indeed be removed.

Being english I don’t fall on either side & so, have the wonderful benefit of neutrality.
Therefore, here is my thoroughly unbiased & honest opinion.

Good: The US economy is booming under him, he’s charismatic & shoots from the hip.

Bad: He’s a loud mouthed, crass, control freak, tub of lard.

I generally support Trump, but have identified many times the things that he does that I DON’T like. I find his personal attacks on Twitter to be childish. I find that he is very egotistic, though I think to even consider running for POTUS you have to be egotistic. I think that there are things he can and should do (or undo from preceding administrations) that he isn’t doing anything about. Putting a halt to the NSA PRISM program for instance. As we are finding out, it appears it can be and has been abused to gain political power and this needs to end. He could put a halt to its usage and he hasn’t done a thing.

The U.S. economy is Not booming. Check the Dow Jones over the last year and a half.
I’d be hard pressed to identify anything he’s done well.

Sorry I can’t think of anything positive that orange hair freak has done.
His loyal puppies will say he pulled the economy out of the crapper, the economy was starting on an up swing before his tiny hands grabbed the wheel.

He has pissed off every country the us was close to, started a trade war that will do no one any good especially the usa, he has zero class, has repeatedly screwed the working class.
Oh he has given huge tax breaks to his wealthy friends(is that a good thing?)
raked up more debt for the American people, threw farmers under the bus, oh and then bailed them out from his fuck up, more added debt.
Wants to be a dictator ,(is that a good thing?)
But there are still tons of minimum wage jobs that people can not live off,(is that a good thing?)

One thing that surprises me about Trump is that he is so much worse than I thought he would be.

Only positive is he made Bush Jr. look like an amazing president.

Dictators sometimes get the trains to run on time but that isn’t a good reason to vote for them. I think I disagree with every single one of Trump’s policies but my concerns over Trump lie deeper than that. As a liar and a cheat and a strutting egotist he is simply unfit to represent the United States of America. What I will concede is that Trump has been voted in and that a substantial minority within the country still support him. That I find disturbing.

He makes policy without having the slightest clue as to what the effect will be. He isn’t fit to be president of the Boyscouts.

That all countries have shit hole parts to it. Not just ones bombed by the USA.

@filmfann The economy is actually doing quite well and has been surprisingly immune to Trump and his bull in a china shop approach to it. We have been in a ten year bull market.

He has made life worse for all minorities. The only solace I have is if there is a god he is sure to go to hell.

@ARE_you_kidding_me
Dow Jones January 30, 2018: 26,439.48
Dow Jones June 8, 2019: 25,983.94

Not booming.

This is especially hard on retirees who depend on their investments.

@Stache I don’t wish that on anyone, but he seems headed that way.

I concede that Trump has done a great job of firing some unfit people. Unfortunately, for this thread, those people were people whom he hired…..

@filmfann I don’t believe in a god nor hell so my thoughts are mine to enjoy. He’s a lonely man and he’ll go out that way. His wife won’t even hold his hand.

@SaganRitual Looks like you have gotten into Trump bashing. That was fairly predictable. Most Never-Trumpers can’t bring themselves to voice any compliment towards him.

@seawulf575: What did the OP say that was Trump bashing? I just re-read what he wrote and I don’t see any negativity in it.

@jca2 I didn’t mean the OP got into Trump bashing. The OP wanted people to avoid that and, predictably, the thread degraded right into it.

A quote from @seawulf575 to the OP; “Looks like you have gotten into Trump bashing.”

A quote from @seawulf575 , only one post later; “I didn’t mean the OP got into Trump bashing.”

“Predictably,” a “predictable” jelly contradicts himself…

In all honesty, I thought very carefully about my first post. I tried, and tried to think of anything positive.
Trump likely has, at least two years left. Maybe I will have a concession, at some point.

Thus far, I agree mostly with @elbanditoroso . Trump has been worse than I could have imagined. In large part, due to a congress that has sold it’s soul.
I suppose, in that respect, I concede that it’s not all Trump’s fault. You can’t just leave a child unattended…

Yeah, predictable, boring & oh so full of themselves.
Good try @SaganRitual but the show of doom & gloom was always going to happen, says more about themselves than it ever could about Trump.
Clearly happy to wallow in self pity & blind rage.

@filmfann if last years plunge had not recovered as quickly as it did I would agree with you. A little tech bubble popped and mostly recovered. The economy is still very strong. Look at it from 2008 till now. Or even 2016 till now.

I think Trump has startled many Americans out of complacency. His presidency has revealed the extent to which people were unhappy with the status quo. I think it’s important to not get too comfortable (and the same goes for people praising the booming economy, something that never lasts and often has little to do with who’s in the Oval Office). Trump has also taken a harder line with other countries and their BS and I’m glad for that (though also disappointed that he’s kowtowed to Saudi Arabia like every other president).

Trump has hopefully caused more Americans to be interested and active in the political process and has hopefully motivated more Democrats to give a shit about the Supreme Court, because I guess only Republicans have until now.

I like how Trump actually had peace talks with North Korea, instead of going to war with them.

I like the idea of a wall along our southern border, not to keep everyone out, but to steer them towards the ports of entry.

@seawulf575 No worries, it always happens when I address questions to both sides. I’m actually pleased with my rate of return on this question. As of 09 Jun 2019, I see four meaty answers out of 27, nearly 15%. That’s actually pretty good.

@SaganRitual . It’s kind of interesting, that there doesn’t seem to be any grey area. People either hate him, or love him/find him beyond reproach and above the law…

This thread would have went similarly, if you asked about Bill, or Obama…

I find that Trump makes his way into lots of subjects. Some are completely unrelated to Trump. I myself am guilty of bringing him up, in odd discussions.
And, of course, Obama gets mentioned, out of nowhere, often…

Bringing up Trump on Fluther, is like throwing a tennis ball randomly into a busy dog park.

@ARE_you_kidding_me 2009–2019 has been a remarkable recovery, thanks to Obama. However, most economists forecast recession.

(I neither love or hate Trump, qualifier)

Good:
I love that he uses social media.
Like it or love it, I think he’s very open and communicates his feelings.
I like that he plays hardball ie #MAGA.
He’s made in roads with two of our past enemies, N. Korea and Russia. China likewise did not denounce him, which is unusual.
He did not go after any LGBTQ+ issues.
He flip flopped to Pro Life instead of Pro Choice.
He is helping farmers during his tough tariff ‘deals’
He has not released his taxes, I like his refusal to play games with non-essential information. Firmly standing against the liberal bullying about illegal immigration.
Polarizing figure in politics.
Black unemployment is at an all time low.
First Step Act.
He’s shown loyalty to people like Kavanaugh.

Bad:
His use of social media is not always sane-sounding.
He hired several people who we all knew wouldn’t work out.
His personal past was ugly, which he tried to hide.
Nepotism.
Cheap religious shows, like the laying of hands, etc…clear pandering.

*Without getting into every issue, overall he scores well on actual policy.

Aside from the fact that he is a Bull in a China shop in every way and not very presidential he has somehow not fucked things up too bad. I fully expected him to be gone already. I don’t like the environmental policy changes. I like tackling immigration but just not his flavor of it. I like renegotiating trade deals, just not his flavor of it. I like that he was able to make N. Korea appear a little less volatile even though we know it’s still a humanitarian disaster there. Russia is not our friend but he has lowered the political volume with them to a degree. I don’t like his narcissistic tendancies but I despised that in Clinton as well. I feel like the news and political conversations are all “Trump this and Trump that” which just feed that beast and make each and every one us less informed. Everytime someone says Trump a few of my brain cells die. I do like that the tax cuts took away certain deductions which I always thought made the system too complicated but hated that the overall effect did not lower most peoples tax burden. O think the new tax code helps working stiffs but stifles small business. Overall I’m ok with one term for this guy.

It’s not for lack of trying @ARE_you_kidding_me. The system of “checks and balances” strive to even out the devastation he is trying to cause.
I honestly wonder who is in charge back there. Trump imposes random things like tariffs (after have to have “tariff” explained to him) without having the faintest idea what the consequences will be. But someone back there knows. Someone is pulling his strings. And they are not on our side.

I have nothing good to say about Hitler either. So there’s that. There are some people in this world who don’t deserve accolades. When a person does things that oppresses people you care about it’s kind of hard to think kindly of them. My rage is valid.

I’ve been thinking about it for a while, and still haven’t thought of anything I think Trump has “done a good job” with.

Anything he has done has been for his ego, wealth,or political gain.
I can’t understand how his beloved base doesn’t see it.

I don’t understand it either @SQUEEKY2. But I guess “delusional” explains it.

@SQUEEKY2 I think they’d think the same about Hillary…lol

Wow.

During the election I viewed them as two sides of the same coin.

I wasn’t thrilled with Hillary either and I can’t even tell you why. I guess I let the Russian rumors get to me. I voted for her though. Obama endorsed her, her husband was a good president and she is a hell of a lot smarter than trump.

But I found her dangerously narcissistic in exactly the same way Trump is and to a degree moreso. She was a better statesman and more polite than him. Trump says what he wants, like what he says or not at least you hearing it and for real. I never trusted that a word Hillary said was genuine. Deal breaker for me.

Name a president, or any world leader who isn’t narcissistic.

I also can’t think of any thing I ever heard her say that had me questioning her truthfulness. Can you give me an example?

Specifically, long in in the bugdust of memory. Generally if she opened her mouth I got a bad vibe. If you did not perceive it then you probably won’t now. I did not vote Trump either but I do think he was honest looking back. I just did not like what he said.

^Well. I agree. A candidate needs to strike a chord, with the public.

I personally felt like Hillary said whatever she thought would achieve her goals to be president. I am generally a very good judge of character, and Hillary set off my radar. I trusted her less than a lot of other politicians.
I do wish that she won, instead of Trump…. But… She sure as Hell wasn’t going to get me out to vote for her.

@MrGrimm888 – if you preferred Hillary to Trump, you should have voted for her to ensure your preference.

@RocketGuy He doesn’t believe in voting, both parties are con artists anyway.

^She’s right. It’s all a scam, to me….

That President Donald Trump might be lacking fundamental people skills that he should have learned in kindergarten.

A lot of people who grow up wealthy, are pretty disconnected from reality.
Trump’s biggest problem, is he’s probably never been punched in the mouth. Usually from always being in a position of power in business meetings, and public speaking events.

I’ve always said that he wouldn’t be nearly as hated, if he could just shut up sometimes…

Exactly @MrGrimm888 ^^^ excellent answer.

People who grow up with money have their own issues. Honestly it puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to people skills and work skills. Some will overcome it but many just don’t. They often grow up to be poorly adjusted adults.

The wealth seem so out of touch with the average working joe ,it just isn’t funny.
But they just keep getting the tax breaks, and making more and more money while the working joe has to pay the countries bills.
And dealing with less and less, and it’s always the wealthy that accuse the working joe of being greedy.