Phoenix AZ Cop yells "I'm gonna put a f*ing cap in your f*ing face" to mom & dad, in front of kids, who "stole" a doll. Your thoughts (see details)

I know what you are referring to but I haven’t heard or seen the video myself so I can’t comment.

@Dutchess_lll You can see it in that link. Don’t watch too much, or it will scar your soul.

Ok. Just not now. Full of Father’s Day food and tequila.

BTW…I hope you’re here to stay.

Dude needed two phones.

When he lunged at the baby, my fingernails were dug into my palms.

Cop needs to switch to decaf.

No matter WHAT event happened before this incident we were shown, this is a highly inappropriate and extremely violent response to an incident with children involved. There are plenty of wack cops who need to be removed.

Thanks for posting

He’ll probably get fired.

The cop was horrible how he handled it, he didn’t have to come in so aggressively with gun drawn and swearing, WTH? But, I wouldn’t be so sure the doll was accidentally stolen. I worked in retail for years and mothers would put stolen goods under their babies in the carriage, they would have their young children put on clothing under what they wore in. Not that it matters, even if it was stolen on purpose, no theft is worth someone getting killed. Just the cop asking for the doll back in a normal voice without any gun in a calm manner would probably be enough to scare the kid straight.

I think the cop is right about putting her hands up, she should comply with putting her hands up so she doesn’t get shot. If that means showing her hands while holding the baby that’s fine, although, the way the cop was I can understand why she might not be thinking of everything she can do. The cop might have been wrong about being so aggressive, but once it’s all in full swing she needs to comply, the cop is afraid for his own safety when he is asking someone to show their hands.

My mother told me yesterday a ring/group of women stole some items at a store her friend works at. The friend saw it happen and the manager instructed her not to call the police. My mom’s friend confronted them and got the items back. I don’t know if that’s store policy or what. When I worked at a store we were t allowed to do that, only store security could. When my mom’s friend left the store the thieves beat her to a pulp. There is video from when they were in the store, so now they can be brought on assault charges, but now my mom’s friend is pretty traumatized. I don’t know if the women were arrested yet.

Since race was brought up on the video, I’ll mention I have no idea what race the women were who attacked my mom’s friend, my mom didn’t mention it. Would the cop in the video have treated a white woman differently? I don’t know. Maybe. Definitely possible.

I stole a piece of candy at the dime store when I was 4 years old. I was eating it as we left the store. My mom slapped me and took me back to the store and made me tell them what I did. I was totally traumatized. I cannot imagine what these people went through with cops yelling, drawing guns and cussing.
A dollar store doll! It wasn’t a diamond necklace. I’m beyond stunned this happened.

I’m grateful we live during a time when there are lots of videos around. Inappropriate and overzealous cops will be removed, thanks to people’s smart phones. Better he’s removed from the force now than later after he kills someone for no good reason.

I do agree with @JLeslie that when the cop tells you to put your hands up, or show your hands, you do it. In this case, the lady had the baby but otherwise, you do your best to comply.

Phoenix has a long and frequent history of doing stuff like this. Why is this sort of behavior by the police allowed to occur?

It always pays to comply with the law fully, and when stopped, do what the officer tells you. If you don’t, you’re asking for trouble!

I couldn’t watch the video, for some reason.

That being said, it’s likely that the officer overreacted. Yes, civilians should comply with a officers commands. But appropriate force, is a variable in each incident.

From the description, it sounds like the officer should be questioned by his supervisor, and then appropriate action can be taken.

Do I want our police officers acting like this? No. I would also like to say that a taser sounds like the first weapon, that should have been drawn, if any, not a gun. The gun, is a last resort, and should only be drawn if the officer feels their life, or lives of others, are in jeopardy…

This reinforces my belief that america is a nation petrified of itself & everything in it.
Even the fucking cops act like it’s the wild west & draw their guns at every oppurtunity.
You lot are in big trouble if your cockamamie gun laws & subsequent attitudes don’t change fast.

^We’ve been in big trouble.

That being said, you will never see a video of a police officer doing things the right way….

This cop is the biggest coward I’ve ever seen and should never be a police officer ever again. If this is how he reacts to a 4 year old taking a 99 cent toy, then being a police officer is the absolute worst job he could have.

I’ve seen more calmer and level headed police officers handling a hostage situation.

Being a LEO, in any capacity, is a very difficult job. There are simply not enough people who would be good at the job, who would do it. But they have to hire someone. The effect, is having to hire officers who don’t have the right mentality to do the job…

Cops have been toting guns forever, this behavior is not a gun control issue.

He needs to be hanged.
And I do not mean the quick neck-snapping way.
The slowly-being-strangled way.
Publically. Broadcast live on all channels.
ACAB

^That wouldn’t solve anything…

Police should not be allowed to carry guns.

Someone I know who was a cop told me the lowering of hiring standards for police is what has contributed to this type of stuff.

Couldn’t see the lead up, so hard to make a judgement on who escalated and the exact situation.

That being said, the officers seemed to be out of line with the screaming and handling the situation wrong.

Also, seemed like there was noncompliance in raising the hands and opening the door.

A cop pointing a gun and giving you commands, you do it, especially with babies. Everybody.

Do you think just maybe, that race was a factor? Would the cop acted the same if the family was white?

@hmmmmmm . Police definitely have to have guns. It would be great if there was a different/non-lethal weapon, that could perform the same tasks as a gun. But there isn’t.

In a country where a citizen may have a shotgun, or worse in their car, or a pistol on their person, it would be crazy for police not to have at least a pistol, and body armor… Criminals sometimes carry pistols, and it is legal in many states for normal people to carry a concealed weapon (with the proper permit.) The country (USA) is full of guns. There is no realistic way of changing that.

Tasers, and mace, can only do so much. The gun is mainly a deterrent. But there are many cases, in which a person would simply not comply with an unarmed officer. I have operated as an armed, and unarmed LEO, off/on for 20 years. It’s a shitty job, and often you are put in circumstances where there really isn’t a “right” decision to be made. The only decision that I could come to, was to retire from law enforcement altogether. I don’t miss one second of those jobs…

@LostInParadise . Some white officers aren’t necessarily racist, but are not comfortable around people of other races. Some have preconceived notions, about say a black person dressed in loose clothing, in a car with nice rims. Some are afraid of minorities, because of their lack of exposure to them, which affects their interactions with them.
And as I said, some just shouldn’t be a LEO, or have a position of authority, in any profession…

@MrGrimm888: “In a country where a citizen may have a shotgun, or worse in their car, or a pistol on their person, it would be crazy for police not to have at least a pistol, and body armor… Criminals sometimes carry pistols, and it is legal in many states for normal people to carry a concealed weapon (with the proper permit.) The country (USA) is full of guns.”

@MrGrimm888: “The gun is mainly a deterrent.”

You’re making a case for full citizenship gun ownership – not necessarily the arming of police. If you are like many people – myself included – who see cops as part of the problem, arming them and setting them loose on the population is not a solution.

If it’s such a dangerous job where they are often “put in circumstances where there really isn’t a “right” decision to be made”, then removing a deadly weapon that is often used on the population seems to be the right thing to do.

^No. Because you are only removing the deadly weapon, in some cases. And as the officer never knows which incident could involve a deadly weapon, they must be prepared for one.

There are an unknown amount of potential variables involved in every LEO/civilian interaction…
To a small, female officer, an unarmed man could easily kill her, with no weapons at all. You have to think realistically….

i had seen this on the news but they didn’t show the video…just explained the situation. The video unnerved me!!! If you’re black, it’s assumed that you’re guilty before they pull their guns. The mother handed her baby over to a complete stranger just get her child out of the situation.

The Bobbies in England don’t carry guns & they seem to keep law & order!!! My problem is NOT with the police having guns, it’s with the current attitude of the officers that are hired. IF an officer is so scared for his life that he can’t function on his job, he shouldn’t be on the job!!! A police officer puts his life on the line every second he is on duty. I don’t want to work under that kind of pressure, so I wouldn’t apply for the job. IF you can’t trust your own judgement to know when to react & when to stand down for an extra second, then I don’t find you qualified to have the job…another reason that I wouldn’t apply for the job!!!

Officers need to have better training on how to diffuse most situations & that seems to never happen!!! Now, the response seems to be shoot to kill & ask questions later. We’re better than that!!!

@LostInParadise Potentially. But cops also seem to be rough with people who are poor or lower class. Not that one can judge that the way one can with race, but someone accused of shoplifting at a dollar store is probably of that class.

This seems like a case of cops drunk on power.

@LadyMarissa .
Couldn’t agree more. But if a district needs to have 100 cops, let’s say, they have to try to hire 100 cops. They can only hire, from the pool of applicants…

That’s the biggest problem, to me…

@Demosthenes . Some are definitely not suited for the job. But what is a realistic solution? I was good at it, but I grew burnt out by the constant everyday issues with the job. You couldn’t pay me enough, to go back to it…

@MrGrimm888 I agree with you. Sometimes the pool is pretty small, several have to hire with little experience, as there’s no one else.

It only takes so long on a job like that for an average person with an average IQ and EQ to start stereotyping everyone because they see that the stereotypes are mostly true for people they deal with daily.

@MrGrimm888 I don’t know that there is a realistic solution. Stuff like this will continue to happen. It’s the nature of the job. And when it does, the cops should be punished.

@KNOWITALL . Many times, you don’t know if a person can do the job, until they get into some shitty situations. By then, something terrible may happen.
Even a great officer, can make an error in judgement, in certain cases.

One of my problems used to be when dealing with people who were nervous. Nervous people can act suspicious, or habitually put their hands in their pockets. That can change an officer’s behavior, by making them think someone might be digging for a gun, or knife. Next thing you know, you have to frisk them, or cuff them.
Sometimes, a person has a small bag of weed, or something like that, so they panic, and act stupid.
Some people think they have warrants, but don’t, so they may run, or attack you.
Some people don’t think they should ever be even questioned by a LEO. So they are uncooperative, to the point of seeming like they must be up to something.
In many cases, both the officer, and whomever they are interacting with, are nervous. So you have both parties being swayed by emotion.
Sometimes, the LEO has been working for 12 hours, and their judgement gets foggy.
Sometimes, the LEO could be still had spun, by an earlier altercation.

It’s just a cluster fuck.

The solution is to get the right people, the right training and pay them accordingly. We don’t let just any jackass run a nuclear reactor why do we let them be cops.

@knowitall I’m not sure it was noncompliance as much as being so scared they couldn’t move. If someone had a gun aimed at my face screaming at me, I think I would be frozen.

All I can say is, if you haven’t done the job, it’s very easy to offer scrutiny. That goes with a LOT of jobs. I would think that that is reasonable.

@chyna . Absolutely. Having a gun drawn on you, is very nerve racking.

The door seemed to be non-functional. You can hear the panic in their voice trying to explain that the door doesn’t open.

The man clearly has his hands raised in the video. You can also hear his confusion when the police are yelling at him to comply when he is already complying.

The mother can’t raise her hands because she’s carrying a baby. The officer can obviously see this. Then they tell her to put the baby down—on the hot Arizona asphalt.

There have been incidents of dogs getting burns on their paws from their owners taking them for walks on hot asphalt. No way I’d put a baby down on hot asphalt.

It is a gun control issue & the denial is precisely the problem.

No it’s not. He would have pulled a taser, mace, big godamned flashlight or whatever he had. It’s a they let any emotional prick with bad judgement be a cop issue.

@raum I’m having a huge emotional reaction. I couldn’t watch much of the video, so I’m hearing for the first time that they told her to put the baby down. Cops should not be allowed to order people to do that, for any reason, even if they weren’t on hot asphalt. It’s totally not ok to demand that a mother let go of her baby.

Hmm, I guess that’s a tricky situation too. Some criminals would surely start carrying babies around. But I have to say, if a cop pointed a gun at me and told me to put my baby down, I don’t think I would do it. I don’t think I **could**.

Wrong, it is the gun that is the provocative element here, just the word itself guarantees, especially where kids are involved, a reaction of shock & horror.
Yes, this cop is obviously a dumb shit, but give a dumb shit a gun & he becomes a dangerous dumb shit.

Interesting video of a cop in Kansas shooting a man. I chose this site to link because it’s got the entire traffic stop, which is about 7 minutes long. There were other sites that have the video (like local news sites) but they have an abbreviated version.

https://www2.ljworld.com/news/public-safety/2019/mar/25/lawrence-police-release-video-of-officer-shooting-man-after-traffic-stop/

Here’s another one of a man shot in a hotel by police. Watch it in its entirety.

The cop resigned from his job for this one.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-daniel-shaver-police-video-20171208-story.html

@ucme nope, cops have been carrying guns here for more than a hundred years. All this shit is a much more recent development.

@ARE_you_kidding_me: “All this shit is a much more recent development.”

The ubiquity of mobile phones (cameras)?

Sure that helps bring a lot of it to light where it was not before but the lowering of standards in recent years is really to blame.

@ARE_you_kidding_me: “Sure that helps bring a lot of it to light where it was not before but the lowering of standards in recent years is really to blame.”

But what are we talking about here? The “lowering of standards in recent years” is to blame for what? Has something changed? Are you saying that the nature of police interactions with the population has changed “in recent years”? If so, in what way?

It’s exactly as @MrGrimm888 outlined earlier. Law enforcement agencies have been forced to employ those who would have never made the cut in years past. Poor judgment and decision making, emotional control and lower training requirements are putting people on the street with a badge and a gun who have no business in that role.
I think it goes deeper still. People don’t respect each other as much and especially cops often get a bad rap because of the bad apples. Road rage is another symptom of what is transpiring between people.

@ARE_you_kidding_me: “It’s exactly as @MrGrimm888 outlined earlier. Law enforcement agencies have been forced to employ those who would have never made the cut in years past. Poor judgment and decision making, emotional control and lower training requirements are putting people on the street with a badge and a gun who have no business in that role.”

….resulting in _________________?

Um, these over the top altercations.

@ARE_you_kidding_me: “Um, these over the top altercations.”

So, am I to assume that these “over the top altercations” have increased, rather than the visibility due to cell phone cameras?

Yes you are.

@ARE_you_kidding_me: “Yes you are.”

What are you using for data?

@hmmmmm, it is both.
In this situation I am wondering about before the video. It is possible the cop heard one say hurry, get in the car. That would be a definite attempt to flee.
Tazing was not an option for a couple of reasons. There were barriers, and if he takes whoever had the baby, the baby would have been shocked too.
If he had belief they would flee, it would cause him to get more aggressive. If it was a doll, and he had no reasonable belief there was more going on, he should have picked his battle.
Once a citizen is in their vehicle, they are automatically armed.

I think rather that making a nation angry over gun control, they should approach it in a different way. Sentences should be much higher than they are if a person has a gun on their person during the commission of a crime. Even if they don’t use it, their sentence should triple, with no chance of parole. Minors in possession of a gun should be mandatory trial as an adult, no exceptions.

The cop was way out there. The cursing, the threats to shoot were out of line. Pulling a gun, I dunno. It was a group. A group poses its own set of problems.

It all boils down to poor choices made on both sides.
Good thing someone had a phone handy, and I’m glad some other cops with cooler temperament showed up.

@Patty_Melt: “it is both.”

Both what? Both visibility and increase in @ARE_you_kidding_me‘s “over the top altercations”?

Where are you getting your data? And when did this happen?

I don’t think race is a factor here. I DO believe race is a factor in cities where there IS a lot of black gang violence and usually involves young black males. But I don’t think stopping a black family in a car would be typically race driven, Police who stereotype blacks usually do so out of fear and past experience. Not hate,

In this case, three possibilities come to mind:

(1) The cop is IN CONTROL of his actions, and his actions and drive is sadistic.

(2) The cop is in control but stupid—driven by hate or desire to oppress and doesn’t know how to behave appropriately. Might be able to be trained better but his true colors have already been seen.

(3) Like an aggressive and unpredictable dog, the cop is NOT in control of his actions and dangerous and danger/violence can erupt whenever two chemicals in his brain come together or whenever provoked by something unpredictable and unguessible.

None of the above should EVER have a gun or the power of arrest,

There is also the possibility that the cop was just extremely burnt out or stressed because of the life of a cop—in which case he needs to be dealt with through breaks or therapy. Stress can make anyone snap, but whenever someone recognizes the signs, they should get help or therapy before being put out on the force with a gun and arrest power.

A family with children, no matter what they did, should never be dealt with this way.
Duh,

I would think that you could have better control of the population with 50 level headed officers rather than 100 hot heads!!! The sleepy little town I live in at one point had a population of 3,200 citizens & we had 2 police officers. One worked the day shift & the other worked the night. We weren’t rampant with crime. The officers treated the citizens with respect & they in turn received respect back. Over the years, we did have 1 hot head & there was always a situation when he was working. After several out of control situations, the police chief asked him to consider resigning & going into a different line of work. He did & things got much better. After that, the chief was a little more careful of whom he hired!!!

I have yet to see the video.

I.have seen videos od people arguing and getting lippy with cops just before the cops haul them out.and throw them on the ground.

@Dutchess Without the events leading up to the video, its hard to gauge the full situation. The cop was very amped up, a door wouldnt work, kids were involved. If the couple were any other race, I’d say the same thing.

For me, I’d need statements and dash cams, store video etc…

^Now THAT’S a great point. People only start recording, when it goes sideways.

I don’t think much could excuse this particular officer’s behavior, but you typically only see half of the story…

I saw a video where two cops dragged a man off a plane once. It looked bad, but if the guy won’t leave of his own will, they have to drag him out…

@Dutchess_lll and @KNOWITALL: In the first link I provided (above), the driver is arguing with the cop for about five minutes. I don’t know why the cop didn’t call for backup. It’s a 7 minute video but it’s interesting because it shows the lead-up to the incident. I don’t know why the driver didn’t just show his documents and he would have been done in about five minutes (just like the cop told him he would).

@jca2 I see both sides, but the one thing people tend to forget is that these folks (Police) hold your life in their hands. It’s not just any one race, it’s all of us. In any case, I will comply.

@KNOWITALL: Me too. I don’t get the logic of people arguing with cops or throwing their hands up saying “Don’t arrest me, don’t arrest me.”

@jca2 It always floors me when I see videos of people sassing the police. Seems like suicide to me.