How would Republicans react if Clinton or Obama gave a military order and changed it seemingly at the last minute?

They’d accuse him of being chicken.

Imagine if the strike had been nuclear and the missile already in the air.
Whoopsie.
Itchy trigger finger motherfucker.

Obama was referred to as feckless, in multiple circumstances, which could have ended in military action.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want war with Iran. But for those who used to be all over Obama for such things, and are now quiet, they are just doing what the right is good at. Being hypocrites…

More than likely, they’d think he knows something they don’t, and allow the Commander in Chief to do his job. The Reps respect the office if not the man, as well as military chain of command in most circumstances, at least the ones I know.

If Obama had called off the assassination mission against Bin Laden at the last second, they would have raked him over the coals for it.

He was just playing his childish game of being president, as usual. Creating an issue, then taking all the credit for fixing it, blathering about an “unmanned drone” the whole time.

The only thing trump did that I happen to like happens to be the same thing that scares the shit out of me the way he did it.

Every time American leadership send American soldiers to risk their lives and American civilians seem to give nary a thought I feel like banging my head on the wall.

They’d find something to carp about.

The people I know who criticized Obama for every single thing he did would’ve found this to be another thing to criticize him for. If the guy’s not on your team, he can do nothing right. That’s how many people feel about Trump. Personally, I think this whole story is bizarre (how could he not have known about the potential casualties before ordering it?). I think Trump honestly doesn’t know what to do here. He relies on other people to tell him and he probably got conflicting messages.

Is this a joke? They would go insane.

You mean sorta if Obama did a ‘red line in the sand’ or told Russia to ‘cut it out’ or police in riot gear to ‘stand down’ and let a few neighborhoods get burned (for a media show or to let rioters get it out of their system?)

btw—Obama did tell our forces to not go after Bin Laden. One of the few good things Hillary actually did was to tell them to go on with it. Obama would not be able to punish anyone if the operation was successful because it would make him look bad. Only when all went well did Obama take credit for it and congratulate himself.

I am no fan of Trump and I think it was wrong to pull out of the Iran agreement, but the act of calling off the attack could be viewed as a way of showing what the U.S. may do to counter any further Iranian aggression.

I never thought letting Iran having a nuclear arsenal and subsidizing it is a way to keep peace with them. We know from satellite imagery what they were building, and what they already have.

It is strange to me that so many on the left seem to think this was a good deal, even though Bill Clinton with North Korea, and Obama with Iranian Mullahs, supported it. In the past twelve years, I have come to see the left as enemy sympathizers. It doesn’t matter who the enemy is, as long as they are wanting to wipe us out, you will tale their side.

To make the point, Iran has believed they are at war with the U.S.since late 1979 and believe God is on their side, and God wants us annihilated but is not very good at doing it, so it is their job to do it. They will strap bombs on themselves, others, and their own children, to kill those whom they hate They are raised from early childhood to hate us. Their laws permit the killing of rape victims and command the death of homosexuals and religious minorities. They want us DEAD, and will rely on our own benevolence to carry it out. To them, benevolence is kind of foolish or weakness. Both North Korea and Iran have relied on American gullibility to develop nuclear weaponry.

Try to understand it is not good to let regimes like this develop a world-class nuclear arsenal, so we had to pull out of the agreement.

BTW—I didn’t say we wipe them out, I didn’t say we hate them. I say, we don’t finance their nuclear weapons programs.

Iran doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal. Nobody, let alone the US, is subsidizing it.

Okay. the United States and Israel are the bad guys, and faked the images. If you take that position, I can see why you think that,

@Yellowdog WHAT (they) _“faked the images” ? ? ?
Reference PLEEEEEEZE !!

What images is he talking about?

Netanyahu did a very lengthy presentation that is the basis of why the U.S. pulled out and most of the middle east is allied with us in this endeavor,

Maybe you can find the presentation (actually there were two) and the imagery on the Net, and Yahoo! ,

The fact that YOU don’t accept the source is circular reasoning. It has to be wrong because it came from the United States under Trump, and Israel—the Big Satan and the Little Saten, both the axis of evil in the world today.

Oh! He picked up another catch phrase from the dems… “Circular reasoning.” :D

@Yellowdog . Hopefully, there won’t be one hypothetical day, whrre your evidence of your guilt, or evil, is based on such a low quality piece of flim,
I’m not saying for sure, that Iran didn’t bomb these vessels. But, I would rather have more evidence, begone even considering military action.

Keepin mind. NONE OF THESE ARE U.S. vessels!.... So. Even if Iran did it, why would America play ANY role?....

As far as , the Iranian deal. It was a bandaid. But it was one less variable in the mess that is the ME for years.

In regards to Netanyahu, I don’t trust a word he says. Unless it benefits Israel, or himself.

Circular reasoning is a term in psychology and philosophy. The Dems haven’t invented much

I know YOU are educated @Dutchess_III —but to the uninitiated who may be reading this, circular reasoning is like saying the writings of Shakespeare are superior to those of Francis Bacon, and that people of taste and education prefer Shakespeare. But your source is a Shakespeare literary society.

Apologies about saying the Dems haven’t invented much. They’ve contributed quite a bit to the Arts and Humanities, and the best and worst in social issues But in the past forty years, I see something else gradually taking over.

@Yellowdog “btw—Obama did tell our forces to not go after Bin Laden. One of the few good things Hillary actually did was to tell them to go on with it.”

You do realize that the Secretary of State has no such authority to command the military, right?

I don’t think any previous president has ever changed his mind so abruptly on such an important issue. Did Trump not realise that attacking Iran would cause casualties? What else doesn’t he know? Does he know that Russia and China and most of the civilised world want a peaceful solution to this crisis and in fact there was one until Trump reneged on it.

There was a time set, but he was not going to move until he had all the information he wanted. If it went a few minutes past the time he would not have acted until the Intel he requested came in.
That would earn my respect whatever the political party they represent.

I think with Obama, the closest thing I can compare was the line in the sand he drew for Syria. He had to redraw that line in the sand a couple times and still did nothing. It made the ME understand he wasn’t serious and showed weakness to them. I’m not encouraging war, but if you say “If you do this one more time we are going to take action!” and then do nothing, you are like the mother in the grocery store with the kids going crazy and she is saying “Stop it. Stop it. Stop it or else! Stop it” but never does anything. The kids know she won’t so they tune her out.

There are millions of people in the ME. None of them are our kids, and no one gave us the right to tell them anything….

@MrGrimm888 you sound amazingly like an isolationist or a nationalist!

I have some “isolationist” views. Sure. As far as not getting involved in things that aren’t the US’s business.
I’m perfectly fine with letting countries deal with their regional issues, their own way, and the US has proven that it can only make the volatile region more unstable (in regards to the ME.) If western countries, just have to get involved, let them be European countries.

I don’t understand the “nationalist” inference. At least not from my last post…..