Does it bother you that Chuck Todd asked Rick Scott what he is doing to reach out to non-white citizens of the state of Florida?

I don’t understand. He should be reaching out to all citizens, right?

^^My point is most Hispanics in the state are white.

Oh OK.
No. It does not bother me.

No.
Racists do not consider hispanics white.
Just like Judaism is not a race, but Nazis treat it as such.
I am sure, the Irish would agree as well.

@ragingloli So, are you saying Chuck Todd is racist?

Months ago when I took issue with using the word racist to define people who hate or are prejudiced against Hispanics the majority of jellies said using racist is the correct term. Supposedly, racist covers hating any minority group now I guess.

I am failing to see the racism. The guy thinks all Hispanics are brown. That’s lack of education, not hatred.

I think the question speaks more to Chuck Todd’s views than anything. He sees things in terms of race and is focused on differences instead of trying to treat everyone equitably.

@seawulf575 race is everything now. Everything. So I don’t consider it a faux pa.
@JLeslie….type a note on his Facebook page explaining the problem.

No it doesn’t. And yeah, I have Spanish ancestry too, but I wouldn’t call myself Hispanic.

@Dutchess_lll I think that saying race is everything is part of the problem as well. Until we can deal with each other on the terms of the person’s character instead of skin color, we will never break the cycle.

I agree. But we aren’t there yet.

And I don’t think we will ever get there as long as our public figures continue to stoke the differences and no one calls them on it.

But ignoring the problem and pretending like everyone is treated the same won’t help either.
What reason did he give for asking the question @JLeslie?

I don’t think Chuck Todd is racist. He actually self corrected himself clarifying to Rick Scott that he meant people who are Spanish speaking.

Todd was born and raised in Miami, which was very Cuban even back then, and Cubans come in every color, and much less Indian/indegenous/Native American looking than Mexicans come here and parts of Central America (not that those areas don’t have every race also). So, he knows plenty of Americans are as white as him, even Jewish like him (the slang is Juban, Jewish Cuban). Now, Miami has Latin Americans from all over. Argentina and Chile are often German or Italian.

Like I said to @Ragingloli, it’s just out there that we are using the word racist for everything now. Religion, national origin, every minority group. I don’t know if it matters or not. Part of me thinks it’s worth pointing out being Hispanic is not a race, kind of explain to people who think everyone south of our border looks the same are being ignorant. It’s like saying the people in the US are one race. The other part of me thinks it shouldn’t matter anyway, because there is nothing wrong with being a different race.

As a Jewish person, I don’t like Jews being thought of as a different race. My husband told me he once overheard one of his girlfriends on the phone say to her dad that it was her first time in a mixed race relationship, and he was like WTF? She was white.

Our journalists have a lot of influence, and so I just wondered if the collective would be automatically thinking Hispanic when someone says non-white? I don’t, but I knew what he meant by context and that it was Florida. Like I said he quickly clarified in practically the same sentence.

@Dutchess_III I don’t remember the reason. He covered a lot of ground with Scott. A lot about elections and Russian interference, but other topics too, and I just don’t remember it all. Sorry. Maybe another jelly saw it.

@JLeslie
There is more genetic variation among white people, than there is between black people and white people.
There is no such thing as “race”.
But because racists use their arbitrary demarcations to segregate society, we are forced to co-opt the same in order to effectively fight them in a targeted way.

No it doesn’t bother me. It’s just another thing for people to be offended by.

@ragingloli I’m just talking about common usage. Race is how we describe people. It’s not necessary to mention race in almost all circumstances, except when a physical description is needed then it’s helpful, but still imperfect of course, because people define races differently. I’ve said before I have a friend who identifies as black, and I never would have described her as African American. My MIL has a close friend who she and my husband say is black, and I never would describe her as black.

I don’t believe people are genetically different based on skin color, not in a significant way, except medically there are some things more common in certain groups, and some of it is genetics. Like my husband’s family has thalessemia, which is consistent with being from west Asia and northeast Africa. My “group” has higher incidences of Tay Sachs. Some people from specific parts of the world react differently to certain medications. So, as much as we want to say there are basically no differences, there are some very important ones. Probably medical is the only thing I think of as significant though.

I don’t think Chuck Todd is racist. There isn’t anything wrong with acknowledging that, in the world, there are people who are different from each other. I don’t understand why some get on the racist bitchwagon whenever a white person brings up the subject.

@kitiper I think it feels like the person is pointing out race to make sure the other person is being pointed out as different, not only in outward features, but inside also. That it’s said with prejudices or that there is some sort of fundamental difference.

Like if they are describing a shooting that happened in their neighborhood they might point out race as an affirmation that that race is more likely in their mind to do something bad, or they might point out their own race because it’s surprising to them that one of their own did such a thing.

Todd wasn’t doing anything like that though, he was just talking about reaching a group of voters, my question is only about using the term non-white for Hispanics, and would you even assume Hispanic by the term non-white? Non-white means to me it could probably cover everyone from Hispanic, black, Asian, etc, depending on how broadly or narrowly someone defines white. But, more importantly I was sort of harping on the fact that many Hispanics are as white as my pale self, with blue eyes, and medium brown hair.

If I go further, I actually prefer the term Latin Americans to Hispanics, but that’s another degree of pickiness I guess.

Just because someone, anyone, points out the differences of another does not automatically mean there are prejudices involved.

@kritiper I completely agree. I’m just saying how it feels to some people. I think it’s good to be aware, because I don’t think most people want to be offensive. It has to do with stereotypes a lot of the time when it’s taken offensively. It really depends on why it’s being said.

I wasn’t in any way offended by what Todd said, it’s just a question about language really in my mind, and whether he is promoting the idea that Spanish speaking people are a different race in a time when racism seems to be heightened in the country. Spanish speaking people aren’t a race. It’s a language. Being from Latin America, is like anywhere in the Americas, they are from many parts of the world before migrating to the Americas.

I find it really odd that some Latin Americans seem to be using the term brown, I never had heard anyone around me use it, I just hear it on TV, and that’s just in recent years.

Hispanics are not a race, they are an ethnicity.

@chyna So, do you think the people in the media, i.e. journalists, politicians, and other talking heads who we see on TV and who write articles, should not be using the term “racist” regarding Hispanics? I’m not talking about it being offensive or not, I’m just talking about the use of the English language.

Many Mexicans that are seen in the US are actually native American Indians of Mexico tribes. That’s why they have black hair and brown skin. But not all Mexicans are of color. Many are fair skinned Caucasian descendants of the Spaniards who settled in Mexico. Probably true of other people of other Latin American countries as well, depending, of course, on which European people/nation claimed/settled that region.
I was told of this in college by a Latino friend of mine, who was from Carlsbad, New Mexico.

So if hispanics aren’t a race and it is wrong to characterize them as such, then why is it the media and the left call Trump a racist when he talks about wanting to stem the tide of illegal immigrants from across our southern border?

Because they generally have darker skin.

@seawulf575 Because that seems to be the accepted definition of racism now from what I can gather. Racism or racist, the words, seem to capture all forms of bigotry now. Maybe the word racist always did, and I wasn’t aware. That’s partly why I had asked a question about it months ago. Just an English language, definition, question for my own knowledge.

Moreover, I think racists do consider Latin Americans a different race, so to @ragingloli’s point, the hater is being racist from that POV. Most racist people are ignorant, and they probably don’t care if someone is German-Argentinian, they might still see that person as Hispanic and “different.”

@JLeslie it could also be that the left just wants to use the word when they talk about Trump. After all, when he said Baltimore was rat infested, the left was sure infested was a slam on blacks and therefore Trump was a racist.