Did Kamala Harris use a Republican Talking point during the debates?

It’s hardly a “slam”. Only an idiot would claim Obamacare perfect. Obamacare is the scheme devised by the insurance companies with the primary goal of keeping those companies in business. It was a plan pimped by the Republicans with great enthusiasm before Obama was elected and rolled out in Massachusetts under Romney. It sucks, but there is no denying that it managed the addition of 20 million people to the insurance rolls. Harris simply states that Biden’s plan maintains the status quo.

Maybe. So what. She’s right that Obamacare needs to be changed. I’m not so sure she is right about how to fix it, I need to study whatever her plan is.

Every time Biden says more people now have insurance because of Obamacare I want to cringe. Sure, more people with lower incomes now do, but for some of us the insurance marketplace is a fortune. Also, millionaires can get a huge subsidy on Obamacare while the middle class can pay a fortune. It’s far from perfect.

A Republican talking point does what? Entices Republicans to consider voting for a Democrat? That sounds ok to me.

The republican talking point is returning to the status quo before the current status quo.

I just find it funny that when Obamacare was first proposed, the Republicans argued it would raise insurance rates in the form of premiums and deductibles and the Dems accused them of trying to use scare tactics. Obamacare was pushed through without a single Republican vote and was touted for years as being a great thing for America. It was Obama’s flagship achievement and the left swore by it. Now it is being slammed by those very same Dems and even blamed on the Republicans.

@JLeslie A talking point is what one side says to promote its own position.

Republicans warned of these problems with Obamacare. Most people, including the poor, have lost benefits, doctors, clinics, hospitals and health-care systems and are paying a lot more for it. The Democrats are now making this their own talking point, Obamacare as an expensive and abysmal failure, to promote even worse things.

Well, criticizing Obama as too moderate and too “status quo” is vogue among many Democrats right now. Most Democrats would probably acknowledge that Obamacare was flawed, but would say it was better than what we had before. Most of these candidates want to go further toward single-payer/Medicare for all.

Talking points… hmm .. what an interesting concept. As if one side of another has a total monopoly on ideas.

Remember that the Repo part was in favor of Obamacare (in principle, although not by name) – it was pretty much their idea, helped by Mitt Romney’s work in Massachusetts – until Obama actually got it passed, at which point the Repo part disavowed it. So which one was the republican talking point? The time when they supported it, or the time when they disavowed it?

Oh, I forgot… being a republican means that you are a hypocrite.

I’d observe that when there are 20 potential democratic candidates, you will see a broad range of ideas. Unlike the republican party, which only has one idea. Reelect the crook.

Actually, all twenty-something candidates are promoting single payer Medicare for all / Medicare for Illegal Immigrants. And the Republican party has never been in favor of this. The system is already going broke very rapidly.

The system is going broke because of what health care costs. Neither side is addressing cracking down on the costs, they just talk about who and how to pay it. Republicans do lip service to costs by saying competition will lower costs, but we already have proven that there is no such thing as a true competitive market in healthcare. We proved it before the ACA, that’s partly why people were in favor of the ACA.

Pharmaceutical companies have patents (no competition) for new drugs, or old drugs used for new uses, and other loopholes. Drugs that give miraculous cures or extensions of life can charge huge amounts of money, because people want to live and have no choice. Hospitals now are money making corporations.

If the republicans and the medical corporations don’t want socialized medicine then they have to stop gouging people and settle for moderate profits. The gouge will cause the extreme reaction. They will bring it on themselves! It’s happening now.

History has many examples. Not paying people a decent wage, you might get socialism or many more social services. Enslaving African Americans you might have to live with affirmative action, quotas, maybe even reparations. Overwork employees for low pay and the unions might come in. When the country loses its moral compass there is usually some sort of equal or greater than equal payback to be had, so it’s better to live in a place of integrity. I keep trying to warn republicans that mistreating the masses is bad business, but they don’t believe it.

I had Obamacare, for two years. It was just fine. If both parties wanted something to succeed, it probably would. But they have to play political games.

No. The ACA wasn’t perfect. But it was a vast improvement on how things were. If both parties worked on it, it would have been even better.

These fucking politicians, are playing with people’s lives. What makes it extra pathetic, is that they all don’t have to worry about their own health care.

If a dem wants North Korea, to be peaceful, is that a partisan idea? Is Trump sanctioning Russia, a Democratic idea?

Is wanting gun violence to decline, a Democratic idea only?

Trump wanted to improve the economy. Is this thread insinuating, that only Republicans want a strong economy?

Biden, is currently the front runner. The other candidates, will HAVE to attack him, on some issues….

Trump attacked all of his opponents, while campaigning. Does that make him a liberal? Hardly…..

@seawulf575 . Out of curiosity, did you see this on some form of media, as an isolated story. Or are you actually watching the debates? I’m not trying to be insulting. I was just wondering if you are having buyer’s remorse, over Trump, and actually considering some of these democratic candidates?

No matter what you think of Trump, @MrGrimm888 I don’t see any of the 20 democrats being anything short of less than a train wreck

Lets hope the Democrats get someone else. I was okay with Bernie Sanders in 2016 but he seems more radical now—last election he was kind of green party but still within the pale of normalcy.

That’s just the point. Who the hell wants normalcy? Are you happy with the fool as the model for normalcy?

well, to answer @MrGrimm888—Don’t think @seawulf575 is having buyer’s remorse.

I’ve not known a Trump supporter to be disappointed with Trump’s performance or regret voting, and that is probably more true now than it would have been earlier in his presidency. Every Korean I know supports Trump but only about half did in 2016. Every Ethiopian immigrant I know supports Trump. I only knew two African American Trump supporters in 2017. Now, I know nine.

CNN is still living in the days of the Russia hoax, and is trying to spin a narrative that certain Democrat presidential hopefuls are in collusion with Trump and Russia.

I find it really bad that nothing has been learned the past 2–½ years among some who should have been more astute from the beginning.

I thought the Republican talking point was ”Socialism is bad. M’kay.”

@MrGrimm888 I did not watch the debates, but have caught up on a variety of news outlets. The debates themselves were on past my bedtime. Having to get up at 3 a.m. means I’m pretty out of it by 8 p.m. The debates did not start until 9.

AND, no…no buyer’s remorse. But I am humored by what I see on the left. Given the quality of the 20 some-odd candidates and the in-fighting within the Democratic Party and given that every candidate has swung so far left that Hugo Chavez looks moderate…..I’m seeing a re-election of Trump for 4 more years. Bill Maher said it best…all the Dems have to do is just look less nutty than Trump. But they can’t do it.

I’d tried to watch the debates, but fell asleep each time. I think there are too many candidates, and not enough realistic ideas. I do think Trump will be reelected. He just has like five talking points. That’s perfect for his base.
The dems need to get down to a few issues, that are important to liberals, and stick with them.

I have no interest in “we’ve got to get Trump out,” as a reason to vote. Yes. I view him as the worst POTUS ever, and certainly as an embarrassment to the world. But he was elected. If even by the worst people in the world.

The Republican strategy, is crystal clear. No abortions. No gay marriage. No brown people. Support white power. That’s what gets the right, out to vote. And it works well. The dems have too many issues (all important,) to unite a bunch of liberals. They need to simplify their strategy. The “we aren’t Trump” strategy, clearly doesn’t work.

Some of the dem’s ideas are great. But they haven’t provided realistic ways of accomplishing them. They are sticking with the “get Trump out” card.

IMO.A POTUS candidate, should have real plans, and abilities. Not just be the lesser of two evils. I like Elizabeth Warren. But, she too, has failed (so far) in justifying why I should vote for her…. Not that I plan to vote… Bernie has a way of getting me close, to really liking him. Then he leans too far left.

Trump’s talking points are just as stupid, and unrealistic. But his base is too stupid to get it. Sorry folks. As of now, we’re looking at a Trump victory in 2020….

@MrGrimm888 I think, by your answer, you have no idea what prompts people to vote for a person like Trump. He did not campaign on “no abortions” or “no gay marriage” or “no brown people” or “support white power”. In fact, in reality, he has never said any of these things as a push for his policies. He has pushed for cleaning up the incompetence and corruption in Washington DC…something I hear no one else pushing. He pushed for better control of illegal immigration…something that needs to be done and neither party has addressed. Of course the left views this as “no brown people”, but that ignores all the statements about legal immigration being good. He pushed for less government intervention and regulation…again, something that needed to be addressed. He pushed back against a lying, manipulative media…and has been proven right about that again and again. He did speak about the bloated national debt….and has done nothing good for that at all. But these are the things that people who voted for Trump found important. And you just qualified them all as “the worst people in the world”. Congratulations…you are a flaming liberal with that single assessment.

I’ve been called much worse, than a “flaming liberal,” although you are incorrect.

YOU should admit that Trump is a dumpster fire. I didn’t vote for Hillary. I don’t spread hate either though. I just want to live a normal life. If you’re discounting Trump’s effects on some of these mass killings, YOU’RE lying to yourself. Which bothers me, none…

You seem to be ignoring the fact, that I’ve actually had some positive things to say about Trump lately. Some….

I’m not a liberal. I don’t even vote. I hate both parties. I just hate the reps more. Think what you want. I don’t care….

What I want to think about is Jimmy Crack Corn.

@MrGrimm888 didn’t you just call anyone that voted for Trump the worst people in the world? And you claim that you don’t spread hate? Maybe you need to take a few minutes and do a little self-reflection.

See. There’s the problem. Trumpers don’t seem capable of self-reflection. And I don’t call calling out bullies, spreading hate… The day that my “hate spreading” causes a mass shooting, then I’ll have some need for introspection…

I had a teacher once who wasn’t capable of self-reflection. She would not admit that involving children in satanic rituals was harmful. In fact, she wasn’t even capable of admitting that she DID worship Satan in private. At least I didn’t scar my classmates psychologically by telling this teacher what she was and what she did.

These killers, aren’t Satan worshipers. Some, are empowered, or sparked by Trump himself.

@Yellowdog . I personally don’t think you should ever stop yourself, from speaking out, against what you consider harmful…

@MrGrimm888 The Dayton shooter had some kind of embrace of Satanism. He seemed to be in general a dark, nihilist person. Should’ve been receiving mental health treatment, but that didn’t seem to be happening.

Ok. So that’s 1….

My point was not that anyone is a Satanist.

What I’m seeing is that (name withheld) and others start CALLING somebody something and how shameless they are, (appropriate if it were true)—and then promote themselves, who spread libel or slander, as a paragon of virtue.

Just because you CALL someone something and state what you called them DOES, doesn’t mean they ARE that thing, even if you have deluded yourself into thinking so,

Dylan Roof, wanted to start a race war. WS.
The other guy with Trump stickers, all over his van? Gee. I can’t imagine how mass killers get such reputations…..

@MrGrimm888 So now people that voted for Trump are not only the worst people in the world, they are also bullies and spread hate. You do realize that half the population of this nation voted for him? But no…you don’t spread hate….you just hate and vocalize it. I don’t see the difference, but then, I’m not a liberal that lies to myself.

Less than half.

Technically, only 19.25%.

Yes the Republicans bad mouthed their own plan as they would bad mouth Jesus if Obama endorsed Him. But more significantly, the giveaway to their duplicity lies in the fact that when Obama pushed the plan the insurance corporations pimped to BOTH parties, the conservatives had NOTHING to offer in its stead . THEY STILL DON’T. The obstructionist dummies should just shut the fuck up and follow their fool through the graveyard of historical reputations.

Trump didn’t even win his own state. He lost the public vote. And yet, “half the country supports him?” No flawed logic there…

About 66–67 Million. It was a higher than average turn-out.

Yep. Just proves my point.

No one won a majority of the nation, but it was a much higher turn-out than average for an election.

Hillary won by over 2 million votes. Yes. I know. They were all illegal immigrants….

Actually, yes.

But Russia helped Trump win the electorial vote. That takes much more skill than merely to manipulate the popular vote

(Its actually highly unlikely that you can win the popular vote but not the electoral if the votes were rigged)

@Yellowdog So, do you think both Bush and Trump won because the vote was rigged?

You can’t rig an electoral victory. Obama explained why just days before the election. You CAN rig a popular vote.

Lol. NOW you believe Obama, when it serves your argument… Pfft….

Now you don’t believe Obama—when the narrative doesn’t suit you.

I don’t believe ANY politicians. If their lips are moving. They’re lying about something.

Yes, but Obama’s clock ticks one second forward every time he tells one lie. And I heard that in heaven they are using it for a ceiling fan.

They don’t have A/C, in Heaven?

They don’t need it. Hell is hot. Heaven is a winter wonderland.

“It’s Dark, and Hell is Hot.” That’s my favorite DMX album!