How many of the killed or wounded in the El Paso Walmart shooting were armed?

Probably none of them. It’s a myth that everyone in Texas is packing heat. It also depends on where in Texas. If it was out in bumfuck nowhere where people do carry that SOB would have likely been shot quickly. You don’t mess with small town bubba but that dude with a man bun in the urban walmart is more of a target to these people. Walmart is not a gun free zone. They don’t care if their customers are armed or not. It has more to do with the culture of the area.

Obviously, no one.

I do not know your motive so I’m not flagging it. But I think its in poor taste.

None.

I read somewhere that fewer than 1% of Americans actually carry.with them all the time.
I can’t verify this Source but the numbers seem about right.

“Studies suggest, however, that only a fraction of Americans who conceal carry actually do so on a routine basis. A recent study of 2015 survey data estimated that 9 million Americans carry at least once a month, while only 3 million do every day—about 1.2 percent of the American adult population.”

God. My husband’s niece’s husband walks around with a gun on his hip and pro Trump Tshirt on. I threw up in my mouth a little.
Does he have a big gut and no penis? Yes to #1 and probably to #2.

What difference would it have made? You can’t return fire if you’re dead or badly wounded and going into shock…

It’s a myth? My best friend of 40 years who is no longer a friend because of her gun loving, racist, homophobic bs, walks around all over Nevada and Texas with her concealed carry ready to be a hero. So is her hothead alcoholic husband who was silently discharged from LVFD by his bros for suicidal tendencies. He’s still allowed to carry.

Let that sink in.

^^^ And THERE is the problem.

According to the news there was someone in Walmart at the time who was armed and heard the shots. They did the sensible thing and left.

@Lightlyseared: That’s what any sensible person would do. I know if it were me, I’d not be out to be a hero and risk my life. I’d be high-tailing it out the door or hiding behind something solid.

It was on Colbert or something, where they performed a test in an auditorium with some people, including one who was armed IRL to defend himself, to see how well they would actually perform, if the room was suddenly stormed by an armed attacker.
Spoilers: They all unceremoneously died.

I saw an example similar to that at a university.
The attacker has two big advantages: They know when it’s going to happen. They know everyone else is unarmed. (Maybe a third advantage – They do not care if they die.)
The defender has no idea when it will happen and either has to waste time and energy being hyper-alert all the time or risk being taken down.
In the example i saw, it was obvious the attacker knew where the “armed” university student was sitting and made sure to hit that area first.

The defenders have a chance when there are more than one of them and they can take the attacker from behind.

A gun is neither a convenient nor easy item to tote. Most people I’ve known who must haul one around for a living will tell you they are grateful to be rid of it when the opportunity arises.

^^^^ Kind of like a bra I imagine!

@Lightlyseared “They did the sensible thing and left.”
Cowards will do that. They wear a gun to look like a big shot, but when push comes to shove, they run away.

I don’t think it means they’re cowards.

“Discretion is the better part of valor”

I’m sorry, if you’re in a position to save lives and you run that’s cowardice by definition.

After it happens to you, perhaps THEN you should tell us about it

@stanleybmanly Nobody knows if they are a coward or not until they have to face it. That does not change the fact that people who could intervene and refuse to are cowards. Not everyone is a hero.

I will tell you about it.
I can’t run. When my daughter was three, we had a shooting on our street.we were headed home from the bus stop, and it happened a block ahead of us. I had my daughter scrunch being a boulder. All I was armed with was a phone. I stood there a number d called 911. I stood ground with my crutches prepared to defend my little girl.
Cops were there in seconds.
I would have felt better if I had a weapon to defend us, but all I could have done would have to be face to face.
I know if I were packing and a shooting started up, I would take them out.
Wusses shouldn’t carry.

Thus we happen on bravery and cowardice. Altruism! I’ve thought about that one over the years. And to me, it comes down to this: I think it unfair to judge bravery or cowardice when people act reflexively. Believe it or not, I once refused an award for doing something stupid. It pissed off a lot of folks, but like I told those who were unhappy, it could have gone either way. Such awards should go to those with the time to contemplate their choice. Those people that fought the fire at Chernobyl—THAT’s heroism.

Those people who fought the fire at Chernoble may not have had a choice. That’s more desperation than heroism. Real heroism is a choice.

@stanleybmanly Discretion may be the better part of valor but discretion does not equal desertion.

There are some causes worthy of desertion.

Not coming to the aid of your fellow man when you are able and equipped to do so isn’t one of them.

Years ago I went through a Law Enforcement SDS (Shoot – Don’t Shoot) exercise series.
In one of the exercises I was in a bowling alley and a shooter armed with a fast cycling rifle began firing as I started to enter the lobby armed with only a carry pistol.
People were running everywhere. The distance was too great for a pistol, I could not take a clean shot, and I was outgunned.
I fired anyway and was almost immediately added to the casualty list.
The correct response was to defer, find cover, and call for backup.

@LuckyGuy
“The distance was too great for a pistol”
That is what you get for not putting a 20x sniper scope on your Walther CCP.

@ragingloli Now it’s equipped with a laser sight by LaserMax. Glass optics are so passé. ;-)