How invested are you willing to be in the Green New Deal?

It would also ground commercial planes too, right? My answer is you’ve got to be joking. It’s DOA.

Not at all. Right now it is just a slogan. There is nothing concrete about it. No facts, no calculations, just a bunch of feel good points thrown around in a speech.

If they ever get around to defining it – what does it mean in terms of action and environment, I might take pieces of it seriously. But we’re so far away from anything factual, it’s not worth giving a moment’s thought.

It will die the same death as the Metric Conversion act of 1975.
I read that California is talking about banning gas cars completely. My prediction this will only happen when all petroleum is reserved for military/government use only, as in the Gold Reserve Act of 1934.

The question in the title is a good one.

The description of it in the details is a troll one.

Maybe read what constructive people describe the Green New Deal as, such as:

The Sierra Club

Bernie Sanders

I’m not supportive at all. It’s not a “green new deal” it’s a wish list of empty promises, half truths and impossible mandates and everyone has a different version of it. Most may have well been concocted by your average twenty year old talking shit while drunk or high.

Personally I’m for sensible environmental stewardship. Electric cars only make sense when electric generation is clean and it does not take a large amount of conflict minerals to make the electric vehicles work properly. When I’m positive a bunch of other unrelated crap won’t get tacked onto the legislation, we have real numbers based on facts and actual, sound and workable plans I’ll entertain such a notion.

I’m in the process of gathering info to do an EV conversion on a V.W. to commute with around town. I’ll admit it’s done more as a fun project than out of environmental concern but… I do believe electric cars are the future. To cut CO2 emissions people had better start being ok with nuclear power. That is the only tool in the tool box with enough oomph to replace our roughly 60%-70% base load powered by coal and natural gas. It sounds like making a deal with the devil because…it is. I don’t like it but it’s a bridge technology until we have a good portfolio of renewable sources. We really don’t have that right now.

I just read the Bernie propaganda that @Zaku posted. I stopped counting when I got to $25 trillion. And that doesn’t account for any of the so-called promises Bernie is making that don’t have a price tag.

Honestly, the Bernie Sanders Geen New Deal page is a joke. These promises will evaporate like someone pissing in the wind. Once the whole budgeting responsibility comes up, there is not a chance of coming up with $25 trillion (at a minimum) in any sort of reasonable time frame.

And towards the bottom the page reads “The Green new deal will pay for itself….” – that’s complete bullshit. It’s funny financing just like Laffer’s Trickle Down Economics. It’s a big lie – it doesn’t happen.

If the Green New Deal means bullshit and hyperbole like this, it is a non-starter.,

I’m only willing to do so much, and within reason.

I can’t afford to update my house any more than I already have.
I cannot afford a new electric car only to have it depreciate drastically in value in a very short period of time, and then have no resale value. And for it to have a very limited range.

At my age, I’ll probably be dead in 10 years.

Too many others in all other countries will not get on that bandwagon, so whatever I might do would be meaningless.
Mankind is going to hell in a hand basket and I might as well not sell myself short when the end result will be the same with or without my involvement.

This says it all. Photo of the day: Diesel-powered electric car recharging station perfectly captures stupidity of the Green New Deal

Funny how nobody is factoring in, all the benefits… Something has to be done about the environment. The talk of grounding commercial flights, is just stupid…

I see lots of selfish remarks, that will ultimately have terrible consequences for every future generation.

I’m NOT a fan of the GND; however, I find it MUCH easier to swallow than the Red Bull Shit that I’ve been forced to endure for the last 3 years!!! I can promise you one thing…I might be forced to endure the Red Plague for another 4 years, but it won’t be because I didn’t try for an alternative!!!

@elbanditoroso just a point…it is more than a slogan or just ideas. The House put it into a resolution and presented it for consideration. There have actually been several adjustments made to it from the original AOC version. Apparently the Dems are taking it seriously.

@seawulf575 a resolution like that is a political document. But like I said above,without details it’s meaningless.. Sort of like when Trump goes to Baltimore and gives a political speech and never follows up with legislation.

I’ll start to take the GND seriously when there is something to take seriously.

By the way, did you notice that in both the Bernie document and in the Sierra Club document, they went out of their way to note that they would be providing employment opportunities and benefits “to historically underserved populations”, and minorities?

That’s a real red flag to me. If this is an environment bill, great. Let it stand on its own two feet. But since when did it become a social engineering and minority uplift bill? It isn’t and it shouldn’t. They’re blurring the lines between Green New Deal and societies inequalities,

As written, those are red meat sentences – but my take is that they blur the focus of the GND. I personally think that GND and minority uplift are separate issues.

It’s ear candy to Dems. That’s all. It’s the same tactic Trump used: say everything voters want to hear but have no real plans to make any of it happen. Mr Sanders is one of the worst offenders right now.

On a side note, partially related topic, I wasn’t happy to hear that Trump is considering repealing the Clean Water Act. WTF?

I think you’re trying to fear monger,the environment has to be taken seriously or we won’t have an earth to exploit and make a few select very wealthy.
We are very much killing this planet, we should start paying attention.
Myself I might have 30years left so don’t really give a shit that much,but what are we leaving the younger people?
What the hell are the conservatives doing for the environment?

@MrGrimm888 I can see the benefits, It just isn’t that practical. It would be far better and far more practical to decrease the human population, if you want to consider future populations.

@SQUEEKY2 To be clear…you think I am fear mongering? Or someone else?

@kritiper . Regardless of the population, they will ALL suffer unimaginable consequences, if we don’t take drastic steps, to stop climate change…NOW. Realistically, we should have been taking measures to decrease environmental damage decades ago…

Those changes would cost industry lots of money and we can’t have that can we??^^

@MrGrimm888 I don’t doubt what you’re saying…
It’s unfortunate that mankind, traditionally, has used stuff all up with little or no regard for the future.
”“God” put it here for our use, so what’s the problem?” seems to be/seems to have been the thought process…

Al Gore’s film, “An Inconvenient Truth” came out in 2007. In the film, Mr. Gore says that mankind needs to react, possibly within 10 years, or we may reach the point of no return.
Well, we’re two years past the 10 year time frame, and you’d think that if mankind was going to do something about climate change, we would have got our shit together already and started to make a meaningful difference.
Has it happened??

I fear for the younger people we may already have past the point of no return,but what the hell we should just keep exploiting and screwing things up as fast as we can, as long the wealthy keep getting richer who cares about the planet,I have no idea how they are going to spend their wealth ,when the planet will not be able to support life.
But as long as that almighty dollar keeps coming who cares right?

@kritiper Gores film did the climate change issue both a good service and a massive disservice. It raised awareness but made some sensationalist claims that have since been proven false which has given fuel to both skepticism and denial. One of my biggest concerns with the green new deal… it should not a political plaything. In making it so we will fail to take serious action.