Would you approve or disapprove of Colin Kaepernick playing again in the NFL?
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November 17th, 2019
Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick who started kneeling during the National Anthem and was soon out of a job, over the weekend held an NFL workout session to promote his ability to still play in the league. Should he get another shot at pro football? Why or why not?
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As far as I can make out, he was a pretty bog standard player & only gained public attention through his kneeling gesture, so yeah, he should play again but probably won’t pick up any trees while doing so.
No.
His job was to throw the football not cause divisive problems for that franchise.
Yes, approve. If it would stop his constant whining and martyr complex.
@KNOWITALL Which team did he play for? NFL ain’t my strong subject, I could just google but can’t be bothered.
@KNOWITALL Ahh cheers! They’re doing very well without him, look certain for a play-off place. I’m a bit of a Panthers fan myself, mainly because, well…I like panthers!
If he’s good at his sport, and he’s as good or better than competitors (who are looking for a signing), sure, why not.
He was a super bowl qb. He was black listed. He should at least be a backup qb. It’s stupid he isn’t.
I’m honestly not sure but I feel it won’t happen because people may protest more and the NFL probably wants all that over and done with by now.
Why would I care either way?
Of course he should play if someone wants him to play. That kneeling shit storm was bullshit.
Hong Kong protesters shooting arrows at pigs: The world cheers.
A black guy kneels: HOW DARE HE! TRAITOR!
Hong Kong shot arrows at pigs?
Jaysus @ragingloli. Yeah. Compare that to Kaepernick protesting by kneeling. America is an asshole.
@Dutchess_III I think if you compare many of the worlds (outside of America’s) problems, you realize that America isn’t actually as much of an oppressive, horrible place after all. And I don’t mean that sarcastically. I understand America has issues and is by no means perfect but we are a lot better off than probably 98% if not more, of other countries.You have countries where women are just starting to legally be allowed to drive, where women are still beaten and having acid thrown at them for being raped. As I said, America is by no means perfect, but we aren’t a terrible country.
I also understand that people are able to focus on many issues at once, and I hate when people always go “Why focus on this when this worse thing is happening” but it sort of applies to things like this. I understand fully people were super pissed over him kneeling, but come on guys. I heard somebody say kneeling for the anthem is worse than rape and murder… You can choose to focus on any issue you want but jeez try to keep things in perspective.
I think if he is hired again by all means, he should play. I just don’t think he will be hired again because I think the NFL is just done with the drama of it all, and they don’t want to lose any (more?) money.
I love America, but our rights are so protected, and we’re so safe and unoppressed that it’s giving rise to a whole new brand of idiots who have a need to be outraged every day. And they need to make shit up.
@Dutchess_III I really agree with that. I think we do have serious issues in our country, and I also believe we have some made up or blown out of proportion “issues” as well, but I will keep those to myself.
@Dutchess_III “I love America, but our rights are so protected, and we’re so safe and unoppressed that it’s giving rise to a whole new brand of idiots who have a need to be outraged every day. And they need to make shit up.”
White folks are safe and unoppressed. That’s often not the case for black and brown folks however.
Let’s not nitpick about who is safe and uncompressed. If you’re going to do that, then get real. The only people who actually ARE, are white males. Not POC, not children, not women. White males only.
The difference in America is there are people actively fighting to ensure the same protections for everyone. In other countries you aren’t even allowed to protest or do anything about it
North Korea for example. You are actually blocked from reading articles that expose the truth of whats going on in your country. Americans are (most of them at least) well aware of the issues and most don’t agree or like that it’s happening and are making the steps to try and change injustice.
@Dutchess_III
Yeah, how many white women have the officer approach the car with their gun drawn after being pulled over for a minor traffic violation?
I don’t know but I’d like a number for the amount of black people that have had that happen as well. I’m sure it’s quite small.
I think it’s more prevalent than we’d like to believe @SergeantQueen.
The difference, @Darth_Algar, is that the country is not condoning or ignoring the problem. We are actively working to change it.
In oppressed countries they don’t even address the problems.
No. I really don’t believe that police officers are doing that without a reason other than “Oh, he’s black” It may happen, but it certainly isn’t prevalent.
So black people deserve more interest, when being “objectified” by LEOs? BULLSHIT….
@Dutchess_III “The difference, @Darth_Algar, is that the country is not condoning or ignoring the problem. We are actively working to change it. ”
Sure. Hence why, when, say, a black athlete or entertainer points out the issue they’re told to “shut up and play”, “stay in your lane”, “nobody wants to hear your politics”, etc.
Dutch. He was black balled…
If he had any champion level talent or qualities he would be hired tomorrow. His problems are a result of his mediocrity. He overestimated his value to the NFL..
His protest wasn’t bullshit. White people getting offended because of his silent protest was bullshit. He wasn’t a great quarterback but he deserves a chance.
@SergantQueen Black people are pulled over all the time just because of their skin color. It happened to a good friend of ours who visited us in our mostly white small town where I lived in Illinois. He had done nothing wrong. The officer asked him “What are you doing on this side of the river?” Peoria, where most of the black people lived, was on the other side of the Illinois River from where my husband and I lived.
^One of my guys (officer’s) cousins, was killed in Columbia SC. His wife arrived, and taped the scene. That’s where they saw a black officer, plant a gun next to the guy’s body. Pretty fucked up, and definitely a reason that I am not in law enforcement, anymore.
The ignorance in this thread is appalling. Racism is alive and well in America.
I couldn’t give a fuck about who does or doesn’t play a stupid game. If he was blacklisted because of his protests that is discrimination and against fair hiring practices.
The funny thing is, the ones who condemn his protest the most are the same ones who claim to fiercely defend the Constitution.
@Dutchess_III While no human rights instrument or national constitution grants the absolute right to protest, such a right to protest may be a manifestation of the right to freedom of assembly, the right to freedom of association, and the right to freedom of speech.-wiki
We are granted the right to peacefully protest. It’s the most fundamentally democratic right we have.
”.... all athletes on the US team signed that states they will not “make remarks or release propaganda of political, religious or racial nature, or any other kind” during the Games.”
Which, if you love monkey’s paws, would naturally include standing and holding your hand over your heart during your anthem. That technically is also propaganda.
Man, think of the supreme irony of getting punished for expressing yourself politcally in the self-proclaimed “land of the free”.
What a joke.
Having freedom of speech doesn’t mean that you are free from consequences. I absolutely have the right to, say, call Donald Trump an imbecilic piece of crap. But if I’m saying that at work my boss absolutely has the right to fire me.
@ragingloli I would have to disagree based on the actual definition of propaganda.
And according to this, it can be used for any political cause, some of which many of us would not agree with, so better not to do it at all.
On Aug. 10, 1883, Cap Anson, the owner-manager-first baseman of the Chicago White Sox, took his team to Toledo, Ohio, to play an exhibition game. He demanded that the Blue Stockings not play Moses Fleetwood Walker, the African-American catcher. Walker wasn’t going to play anyway because he was injured, but when informed of Anson’s demand, Toledo manager Charlie Morton took a stand and called his bluff, starting Walker in right field. Said Anson, “We’ll play this here game, but won’t play never no more with the n—–.” Toledo joined the American Association the next year, and on May 1, 1884, Walker became the first African-American major leaguer when he took the field against Louisville. Three years later, Anson finally got his way when owners enacted a rule barring black players from professional baseball.’
https://theundefeated.com/features/athletes-and-activism-the-long-defiant-history-of-sports-protests/
I don’t think your boss has a right to fire you for thinking poorly of Trump. Unless you’re standing on your desk and declaring it with a megaphone.
Where was all the outrage when an NFL player beat his wife? Or when Michael Vick ran a dog ring? Why didn’t some of you boycott the NFL then or burn your jerseys then? A black man kneels during the national anthem and it’s the end of the world. smh
Colin is whining? Good grief.
Y’all are just pissed because you think he disrespected the flag and that was not what he did.
What Colin did do was show us who all the racists are.
@ragingloli That was a perfect point! Pledging allegiance to the flag is a political act.
@raum
Not thinking, saying. And while at work. So yes, your boss absolutely has the right to fire you then. Personally, if I ran a business I’d bar employees from any and all political speech while they’re on the clock.
@Darth_Algar You’re right. Not all states have laws that protect you from discrimination based on political beliefs.
Sometimes I forget that I’m in this little California bubble.
In Kansas you can be fired for nothing at all.
@raum
You’re still confusing my statement. I’m not talking about beliefs. I’m talking about specific behavior.
@KNOWITALL Reid had a son that was in constant trouble. I think that’s why he gave Vick, a second chance.
I am confused. By specific behavior, do you mean my megaphone example or just expressing your political view?
^He simply knelt, during the nation anthem.
@MrGrimm I believe in second chances, for sure. I voted yes on this.
I have a real hard time with Vicks because I read the details and saw pics. It was pretty heinous, brudda. I dont know, but I’ll never be a fan again.
No. I have not supported Vick.
@MrGrimm My point was if Vick got a second chance, pretty much anyone should. Colin was standing up for others and against injustice. I just think it was the wrong format personally.
After this weekends debacle I think he’s done himself in though. Sigh.
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