If the Iran conflict escalates, do you think Trump has an exit strategy?

Of course not.
The man acts on impulse. Reacts emotionally to perceived slights. Does not think far ahead, or the longer term consequences of his actions. Does not care about it, either.
And even if he had some sort of “strategy”, either prepared by his advisors, or sloppily thrown together in his tiny brain, it would take just one tiny trigger for him to sabotage it himself.

Nope. This was all seat of the pants.

Of course not. Strategy is not his forte.

Not in a million years !

@Tropical_Willie You mean we’ll be there for a million years?

~(NSFW) With all the affairs he knows when to pull out.

Of course, he’ll burn that bridge when it comes to us,

To exit out of what?

Trump’s MO is to smash something, make the debacle and himself the center of attention for a while, and then piece together something similar to the previous status. “I fixed the problem I caused. You’re welcome!”

He did it with North Korea. He did it with NAFTA. He’s doing it with China trade.

With North Korea, I don’t think the result was horrible. Kim Jong-un and Trump waddle about for a few photo ops, they get the attention they crave, nobody has a war.

So I hold about a tiny bit of hope that he thinks he can bluster for a bit, ending in talks that put another agreement in place where Iran curbs it’s nuclear efforts in exchange for eased sanctions. I place the odds of this at about 0.1%.

Sadly, odds are 99.9% that Donnie is being manipulated by Netanyahu and the Saudis. Both are sworn enemies of Iran. They get him on the phone and say, “We both know you are a brilliant leader, handsome and strong. But they laughed you out of the NATO summit. You know if you attack Iran they’ll see who’s boss. Nobody will laugh at you then”

@Call_Me_Jay And it’s a very convenient distraction from his impeachment.

In today’s NY Times, which some won’t credit even though it is the paper of record, this article explains that the military presented the assassination as the most extreme reaction the President could take and considered it the outlier. Of course he jumped on it, further destabilizing the region and our allies of whom there are less and less. He has now insured that Iran will strive for full nuclear capacity.

He’s always one jump ahead of you, and has excellent advisers. For once, our military can do whatever is necessary to get it over with quickly and completely. All of you might consider how many times you have been wrong, or misled by your sources, and reconsider your statements.

The whole world: it’s blue.
Yellowdog: it’s yellow a carpet.

I have never been wrong, and with each passing day, reality validates me again and again.

His best exit strategy is to be run out of office before HIS shit hits the fan in Iran to be blown back in all our faces!

The exit strategy, The hole card he is holding, is he will nuke Tehran, and blame it on them.

You cheered when Obama Ben Satan ordered (supposedly) the removal of Osama Bin Laden, though I have it on good authority that the army acted outside of Obama’s orders to stand down. If they achieved their goal, our special forces knew, the President couldn’t punish them for it, It would be immensely unpopular.

When Bush acted, many of you were actually wanting to go fight for the terrorists. So its all political for you.

Most of the world is cheering and celebrating. All you can do is condemn the President who has done what others failed to do.

What is your “good authority” @Yellowdog?

It’s not cheering, it’s facepalming.

“The world” is horrified by our provocative and illegal actions. Trump’s rashness will only cause more deaths than diplomacy. It is beyond upsetting.

Trump’s exit strategy has always been to not pay his bills and say “SYLMF!”

@janbb @filmfann but it’s good to know we have Trump cheerleaders – right here on this question string – who willingly overlook history in order to be Trump sycophants.

I guess the real issue here is – how many laws can one president break?

Well, I guess he shot someone on Fifth Avenue and his followers are still cheering him on.

@Yellowdog I really would like to know your sources.
Look nobody on this side of the planet is going to cry over this Iran General, but Trump is setting up for another endless war, is that what you want?
There seemed to be no exit plan in place for the other two wars, started by conservatives why do you think this one is any different?

Oh yeah ,his top advisers are Ivanka and Jared Kushner are his most trusted advisers.

This was an act of war. Right or wrong. People will die, over this.

That will put our people, and allies, at risk. Thousands of inoccent people. I’m not okay with that.

This thread has been entertaining for me. :)

There’s no entrance strategy yet, so I wouldn’t expect an exit strategy. The way many wars work in this country is we plow ahead with no exit strategy because we assume the conflict will be brief and all our goals will be accomplished quickly and smoothly. You’d think after this failing to be the case at least three times in recent history that we may have learned something by now, but don’t count on it.

Exit Strategy? We’re talking about Trump, right? The Big Brass might have a scenario worked out, but since when does he listen to his advisors?

@NoMoreY_Aagain He basically lets his advisers and generals and military leaders do what they need to do,
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Its hard to have a serious discussion when what most of you do is a lot of bashing. Trump’s method is to get a job done as efficiently as possible, and protect as many American lives as possible. Our military is very efficient at taking out what needs to be taken out with minimal damage and unnecessary loss of life. Trump doesn’t take out asprin factories as previous administrations have done.

Uh huh. He’s an “expert on drones” too as I recall. Very comforting.

That Trump he is a swell leader, sure knows how to get a job done.
Excuse me for a second…............(BARF)...... what were we saying oh he is such a swell guy and I have that on good authority not going to say who but you can rest a sured that it isn’t some commie loving pinko liberal democrat.

He didn’t have an entrance strategy, so I bet there is NO exit strategy either. He didn’t even tell his best friend Boris Johnson before the SHTF!!!

@Yellowdog I don’t usually get involed with you, but when you Quote Authorities, you owe us a source.

Have I misled you?

Yeah by saying your sources are the very best, yet you won’t say who those said sources are, you get discouraged by all the Trump bashing and hate but couldn’t resist a bit of Obama bashing a few posts up and then claim the left are all hate really nice deflecting by the way.
You really think people are eager to jump into a never ending war with Iran?
With the other two still going almost twenty years later?
People were eager for the other 2 because of 911 the attack on the trade towers, you really think ole orange hair will get the same followers for an attack on a us embassy in Iraq?
I am NOT siding with Iran and this General was a bad ass dude, but what the states did was an act of WAR and a lot of people on both sides will end up dead if this isn’t done right.

Preach it @SQUEEKY2 !

@Yellowdog Sources?

I wouldn’t hold your breath @YARNLADY ,and don’t be too shocked when they turn to be all Fox and Bright fart..

@Yellowdog made up sources are make believe !

Not for die hard rep/cons @Tropical_Willie they make up what the want and when questioned on it they scream you are just all about hate.

What is particularly worrisome about the way Trump does things is that it is all about threatening others. It is all stick and no carrot. There is no concept of mutual benefit. This may work in the short term but in the long term it is a recipe for defeat.

@Yellowdog sources are the National Enquirer.
He won’t answer what his “good authority “ or “sources” are because he makes them up.

No, but I bet Congress does.
( Trump impeachment).
Trump is an out of control loose cannon that should be held in check.
Congress should had been consulted, never have only ONE with absolute power, its a dangerous outcome.
I see in the future the leader of a country will NOT have absolute power but rather JUST be a token speaker as a means and way to get information out to the general public..a token representative, and that is all.

@Inspired_2write That might be true about removing him from office but every step of the way to that removal will be another escalation, bombing of cultural sites in Iran, religious sites (maybe the Ayatollah) and the President of Iran Hassan Rouhani. He is a gangster and a thug just like Frank Nitti, you “kill the competition.”

A cowardly withdrawal? I hope not! If a country is going to be (and is) a world power, they must act like it.

What I don’t understand, is why Trump has spent years saying that he doesn’t trust our intelligence community, then kills 8 people and likely started a war, based on information from the same source.

The whole thing makes no sense. He pulled our forces, out of Syria, and now he has thousands of troops headed back to the ME.

There is no exit strategy, because nobody knows what Iran is going to do. Our generals, will be winging it, from here. It’ll start as reactionary tactics, and it’ll be totally tit for tat. They’re going to hit us, and/or our allies, and then we will hit them back.
Now we’re in a situation where we’ll have to really hammer them hard, or they’re going to hit back. This likely means hitting dozens of military targets, and trying to prevent them from being able to hit back.

The only thing that the US has, is predetermined targets. The only question is, how many of those targets we’ll hit.

When it gets nasty, Israel, and/or Saudi Arabia, will likely join us.

I forsee a bloodbath… And the possibility of random attacks, or terrorist attacks, for years to come.
Iran isn’t Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Pakistan. They have Russian technology, designed specifically for countering the US military. They won’t be a pushover. In addition, they’re probably going to eventually start hitting oil ships, off their coast. I hope Trump supporters, are ready for astronomical gas prices. Combined with the trade tariffs, it should really cost them.

And a new war, would mean borrowing more money from China. So. More national debt. Assuming China will give us more money, with the trade war…

I just can’t think of any positive outcomes, for the US, with this move…

Iran is a problem. But, we’ve made them a bigger problem.

I’m sick of watching people die…
I’m sick of watching people suffering…
When I take my father, to the VA hospital, I see men with missing limbs, and ruined lives, everywhere… It’s fucking pathetic. Men, women, and children, will suffer and die, from what Trump did…

Why can’t we just coexist?

A heard of cows, can do it… Why can’t human beings do that?

Well one thing another conflict will make a select few even more wealthy.
These countries just want the US out, and they are radical enough to use any means to do so.
The right may have totally disliked Obama’s deal with Iran but at least I think it at least stalled their nuclear development and I feel the states wasn’t on the brink of war with them, now the states are and this is much better?
I fear the Trump administration isn’t intelligent enough to get through this without a lot of lives lost on both sides, and boy do I hope I am wrong but I don’t see it.
Now thanks to ole orange hair they are going to go all out on nuclear development and that means war heads.

Yeah….
But, all they could do, is hit maybe a few cities. That would suck, but wouldn’t accomplish anything…

One of them would probably be Boeing, Wichita, which isn’t far away. :(

From my understanding, Charleston SC, is still one of the main targets. We used to have the biggest navy fleet, on the East Coast, and still have the Navy Weapons Station…

I’d be on the list.

I trust our defense systems, over newly developed ICBMs, though. Rocket science, ain’t easy…

Those rockets were developed by 150 Billion Obama gave to Iran to fund their nuclear program, in exchange that they would not attack us for a certain number of years. It might have been ten.I don’t recall. But within a year, there was satellite imagery that they were back to building their ICBMs with nuclear warhead capacity, so the deal was withdrawn by Trump.

The House you currently have will withhold funding if there ever is a national emergency, as had already begun. Getting rid of Trump superceeds national security and the development of a dangerous caliphate which is proclaiming death to Americans on Iranian television, and beginning to carry it out.

Trump’s prerogative as commander in chief is the protection of American lives. The Democrat’s prerogative is taking out Donald Trump, at all costs, as has even been expressed on Fluther dozens of times, and been the only action the Democrats have taken in this country for at least two years, if not to before the elections.

Even before Trump, the caliphate was being built and funded by the previous administration,

@MrGrimm888 I don’t think there is any part of the country that is immune. If a country wants to attack the US, almost every location (city/county/whatever) has something that could be of strategic value.

For example, I live not far from Lake Lanier, about 45–50 miles NE of Atlanta. It’s suburban on the south side of the lake and very rural up north.BUT – it’s the primary water supply for the Atlanta area. So if Iran wants to hurt a lot of people, the lake is a good target.

And in Georgia we have a bunch of army, navy, and air force bases. Any of which could be targets.

And I imagine that any stare – Kansas, Missouri, Utah, and so on, has some vulnerabilities.

The main point is to not get involved in stupid wars.

@Yellowdog . Obama didn’t give them anything. He unfroze some of their assets.
I’ve been through this with you before….

And it did broker peace, and increase the likely hood of future peace deals…

Trump broke the agreement publicly. Hurting any future US agreements, with the whole world. And now he assassinated 8 important people. He started a war.

@Yellowdog yeah and the Bush administration said Iraq was building WMDs in the back of transport trucks on the move at all times to avoid detection, how did that go?

Can this article be right that the U.S. is pulling out of Iraq?. U.S. News & World Report is a fairly reliable source.

Bush was manipulated, by Cheyney, who made untold millions off of the war in Iraq.

GWBush should have never been POTUS. He was a too stupid, and had failed at EVERYTHING he ever did.

I don’t know what Trump, is up to. But pulling funding for NATO, pulling troops from Syria, withholding aid to the Ukraine, and starting a war with Iran (they’ll be buying Russian weapons and technology, more than ever, ) ALL benefits Putin….

Hmmmmm.

@LostInParadise
The Iraqi parliament did pass a resolution to kick out all colonial forces as a response to the drone murder.
To which the trumptard responded with threats of sanctions.

Trump doesn’t know what he’s up to. I think he’s thinking that if he starts a war it will increase his chances of being reelected.

Saw something on Facebook: “I am up to my neck with old me starting wars for young men to die in.”

That’s what war is. Old men talking, and young men dying…

@elbanditoroso Yeah… to “not get involved in stupid wars.” Like WWII? The whole world would have been overrun by the Axis powers if the US didn’t get involved.
Remember: If you don’t learn from the past you will be doomed to repeat it.
Isolationism didn’t work then,and it won’t work now.
Like it or not, life IS a bitch!

@kritiper why would you immediately mention WW2? That seems like a strange leap.

I would argue that Viet Nam war was a stupid waste of people and money.

And the whole post 9/11 Afghanistan debacle was a war of choice.

Invading Iraq when we were looking for fake weapons of mass destruction was utter stupidity.

trump? Exit strategy? The douchebag owns hotels and owes a lot of money. Failed casino investments. Successful reality TV star and you’re asking if he has an exit strategy? LOL Very funny. Tragically funny.

I would start assuming maybe he is still human only if he resigns now. Before he sends people to their death. A reality TV celebrity of all people. Americans, you are being mocked. How low can this country go?

But a few will gain lots from this conflict ,oil companies,and arms companies so who cares if thousands have to die after all it’s in the name of national security.

^^trump fanatics don’t give a damn about any of that. As long as he supports anti-abortion efforts, gives them jobs, pack the courts with their brand of judges, lashes on illegal immigrants, blames Obama and rants about putting Hillary and every Dem politicians in jail.

trump could order the US military to wage war on Hawaii and his fanatics would come up with justification on why Hawaii should be destroyed. Just wait. A justification would be posted here shortly. Like for example the active volcanoes in Hawaii are pro-abortion and those active volcanoes illegally crossed the border so it can steal lava-manufacturing jobs from Americans.

I’m really trying, to make any similarities, between Iran, and Nazi Germany. I got nothing….

Germany lost WW2 when they decided to take on the Soviet Union.
The colonies not entering the war would have merely prolonged it a bit, and maybe shifted the resulting cold war iron curtain a bit further west.

@Yellowdog ”...many of you were actually wanting to go fight for the terrorists…”

Serious question: What is a “terrorist” according to you? and at what point does the US itself cross the line and become a terrorist nation? What act would Trump have to commit to be a terrorist leader in your eyes?

Trump doesn’t have a strategy for anything, he’s just a fucking puppet, nothing more, nothing less.

Smedley Butler wrote a book in the 30s, “War is a Racket”. It was his view that war only benefits the Big Money interests and is tragic for everyone else. Oh and for the benefit of all of you Rambo type right wingers out there, Butler was a retired Marine General, not some wild eyed peacenik. After he retired he became an outspoken veterans advocate and dedicated pacifist. Additionaly he was a Medal of Honor recipient.

War doesn’t really have a place in modern society. It just makes no sense. If a nation grabs territory, they’re typically sanctioned, by the rest of the world. So. They don’t really gain much.

That one strike did something few would have thought possible: it united Iran and Iraq. Now they are both seeking revenge against the US.

It might unite Saudi Arabia, and Israel too… Talk about a strange world…

A freakin reality TV show host! Pure insanity. American insanity.

“Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.” ( Mark Twain )

Incoming missiles at US Air Base in Iraq from Iranian forces.

Operation Martyr Soleimani…

When drumpf unilaterally cancelled the nuclear deal with Iran, I predicted that war was the intended outcome.
And here we are.

@ragingloli That does seem to be what the Rep/cons want.

Do you thing Trump will start “Nuking” the 52 cultural sites tomorrow? And try to figure out next Monday how to extract the oil with all the radiation ? ?

SMH

Now that I think of it, drumpf was probably waiting for Iran to make the first move.
But because that was not happening, Lord Orange decided to pull a Franz Ferdinand.

@ragingloli The nuclear deal with Iran is what bankrolled their nuclear arsenal. Do you really want these anti-American zealots who want to wipe us off the map to have nuclear weapons and create widespread nuclear fallout? Once the deal was made and bankrolled, they went to work enriching uranium and building the first weapons with nuclear capacity.

@Tropical_Willie 52 Military bases, nuclear refineries, bunkers, and oil refineries, are not exactly cultural sites, and the U.S. does not use or need nukes, or oil.

@ragingloli Iran DID make the first move. Americans were killed. Qasem Soleiman boasted. The U.S. responded. Then our embassy was attacked, and the Democrats were calling this Trump’s Benghazzi – except this time we guarded our embassy and fought back. Unlike Hillary’s Benghazzi debacle. Qasam Soleimi boasted more and threatened us on Iranian television. Our intelligence agencies revealed plans on new plans to kill very specific people, troups, diplomats, and civilians. We, or “Trump” if you will, took out those who were in the process of making plans, carrying them out, and bankrolling them, hitting them very precisely, in unlikely places.
How can you say Trump “made the first move” ? We were already under attack.

I find it hard to believe that most Democrats are unaware of the attacks on our civilians, our military, and mostly the one on our embassy, and are saying that it was Trump who made the first move and committed an illegal “act of war.”

@Yellowdog His words were 52 cultural sites…

Stay off Fox news and BARF FART they both “R STOOPID” and make up more shit than you can believe, oh you believe them !!!

Nicely said^^ you forgot to add the National Enquirer , as well .
And Trump himself said cultural sites,
Which is a war crime if enacted on.

@SQUEEKY2 The Iranians know where all Trump’s Resorts in all the different countries.

@Yellowdog ”...anti-American zealots…”

Another serious question: why are they anti-American? Do you think it has anything to do with the USA interfering in their affairs for 60+ years? Could it be that we murder civilians with drone strikes? Could it be that we sell weapons all across the region? Could it be because we’ve irradiated sites all over Iraq that are now causing birth defects in the local population? Could it be that the USA is actually the villain in the Middle East?

@gorillapaws You do realize he is never going to answer that, even our favourite wulf probably wouldn’t answer it and if one of them does it will be very interesting in seeing how much they spin it.

@elbanditoroso WWII was a declared war against nations, not a bunch of hoodlums running around here and there, and we fought to win.
Viet Nam was a joke with President Johnson running the show from Washington instead of letting his generals do it. Also, we fought in Viet Nam, not to win, but simply not to lose.

Learning from the past is important. That is why I mentioned WWII.
Don’t try to put all wars fought in the same pretense because they aren’t all the same. Mistakes will be made and have been made by idiots in charge, that is true. But sometimes wars have to be fought for the benefit of all mankind.

@Tropical_Willie But wait … you should be happy about this !!! If Trump said he would target 52 cultural sites, and doesn’t target 52 cultural sites,, the Dems in the House can impeach Trump for lying! At least you will have something for impeachment that actually happened!

@Yellowdog Are you going to answer @gorillapaws ?
Or just claim the Dem/libs are just all hate?

The caliphate is a terrorist organization that has killed hundreds of thousands of their own people and nations around them. I don’t think Americans have interfered in detrimental ways in the middle east—except Bush seemed to think we could instill democracy, western values and human rights there.

You can’t say or rather ask, how do you respond to the fact that Americans have done A, C, Q, P, and D, if none of those things happened.

@Tropical_Willie Iran is not likely to have the capability or courage to strike militarily. Assad is meeting with Putin tomorrow—Iran and Russia are better at cyber attacks. I do not think anything will come of it, but that’s where something bad for the U.S. will happen if it does. Or, they will go back to their sponsorship of terrorism against civilians as their main course of action.

A foreign nation invades your country on the story you have WMD’s and they say you can’t have them, somewhat into the invasion, they uh it’s really a regime change oust your leader who is not a good person, but going on almost twenty years later they are still there calling the shots , and you wouldn’t be little resentful against them?

Whoa! Am I actualy agreeing with @Yellowdog ????
Iran won’t use military might to face the US head on. That would be suicide. But they can disrupt the country even more by sponsoring terror acts, cyber attacks, and lobbing rockets and ballistic missiles at sites inhabited by Americans. They have less to lose.

These actions will pull the stock market down and force the price of oil up. That will extract wealth from the Great Satan.

But probably no worse than they’ve already been doing the past 40 years.

I suspect they will get help from Russia or China. with cyber attacks. We still are probably ahead of them. I think I’m right and our systems are prepared, but I could be wrong !!!

Well the issue has now been settled tor us. The stable genius has now subjected us to the humiliation of being ordered out of Iraq by the Iraqi government itself. It appears that in a major blunder, our pentagon has mistakenly issued a mandate to comply with the Iraqi mandate post haste. Now we are trying to back away from the agreement to leave as Iranian rockets rain down on our military facilities. The 17 year catastrophe that is the worst strategic blunder in the history of our country is suitably bungled horribly to conclusion by the most painfully inept President we have yet conjured. The Iraqis have dictated our “exit strategy” for us with a sendoff of both hatred and disgust to once again end another generation length episode wherein hundreds of thousands have DIED FOR NOTHING!

How many of this country’s glaring deficiencies might have been addressed with the money poured into the maw of the Middle East?

Its over, Stan

You folks should read the book “A Peace to End All Peace – The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East”. David Fromkin 1989. You can probably find a copy cheap on EBay or Amazon. An interesting historical tome on how the mess in the Middle East began post World War One. From the back cover: “A gripping tale of diplomatic double dealing, military incompetence, and political upheaval”. Sound a little familiar?

@stanleybmanly The humiliation of being ordered out of a county that most Americans think we shouldn’t even be in? …...Oh how will we ever go on~

Just as we have been, one fkup after another.

Fox News cuts short a Republican Senator’s criticism. LOL

https://youtu.be/yGAevyfIjyk

^OMG I’m crying laughing!

Bad Rep/con for questioning ole orange hair,he should know all blame goes to Obama, and praise goes to the Don Father.

Yeah, Lindsay Graham it’s “magical” indeed.

https://youtu.be/zKBgREfspKI

Oh God, do I hate Graham. The fact that he represents my state, sickens me…

^^How can you and I not hate the equivalent of human trash? In leadership position. These human garbage are worse than convicted criminals in prison because those guys are in there behind bars harmless while trump and graham are out and being seen and heard by kids.

What choice do I have?

I’d give you a choice but you’d reject it ‘cause you’d have to go and vote.

That choice, is an illusion….

Yeah but it’s the only illusion the poor working stiff has.

So Graham STAYS !

With Bozo the orange haired clown !

DON’T FUCKING COMPLAIN !

No. It’s an illusion YOU have.
Think about it.

Your allusion is Graham is not voted into office, he just buys the position ?????

Someone has to be voted in. But there is always just two realistic candidates. So. Your vote, simply legitimizes one of the two… There is your illusion of power… THINK Willie…
With all due respect…

Sorry you have such a poor poor view of government ! SMH

Vote the asshole out.

But @MrGrimm888 your vote may be just the one to legitimize the lesser crook in.

^Lol. The lesser of two evils?.
No thanks…

Play the game. I won’t….

Isn’t that what Government and voting is?
Both sides lie their ass off, and screw the working slob senseless , while giving all the breaks to the wealthy you just want to vote in the one that will whisper sweat little lies while they screw you.

^We have a smart one here…

A lot of American workers have experienced something quite different.

Being a die hard rep/con you would see it quite different^^.
Like firmly believing in the trickle down effect.

The only way that money would trickle down, is leaking pipes. And those get patched really quickly.

So very true^^ but you would never get a die hard rep/con to believe that.

The only thing in this presidency that trickles down is intolerance and hatred.

So true and it’s amazing how hard the Rep/cons are spinning it to say the hate is only coming from the Democrats.

I know!

@yellowdog Didn’t you say in another question that you have less than $10.00 a day to feed you and your girlfriend? How do you thank trump for that every day?

Hmmm….

For one thing, I am on disability, not working. The lot of those on disability is better now than it was a few years ago, but I don’t get any tax breaks because I haven’t paid taxes since 2011.

There are more jobs available now than there are people to fill them, and the only drawback is that many of the unemployed need additional training to fill them. But the economic numbers are higher right now than they’ve been in decades. Most of the surge in economic developments have been the working and blue collar class —jobs Obama said weren’t coming back. As recently as five years ago, the average job didn’t pay a living wage,

The average job still doesn’t pay a living wage, new job numbers have steadily been decreasing in the past year, and the states are still losing manufacturing jobs over seas.
And you say additional training? that why there are so many claims against fraudulent universities poor people taking out big loans to get this training once they get a degree,only to find there is no promised job at the end, YOUR wonderful government has been ordered to forgive these loans to these bogus schools and yet your secretary of education still refuses to do even after being legislated to do so yeah the conservatives are all for the little guy.

I guess it’s time to claim that @Yellowdog , is not someone who should be on disability. He should be working 3 jobs…

When I was first out of High School, during the Reagan years, the thing to do was go to a technical college—their placement rates were very high, in the burgeoning cellular and computer technologies. Today, we are not only seeing all time highs in these industries but also in manufacturing.

Rather than getting a well-paying career in a technical or manufacturing field, many of which pay $70k-90k to start, Democrats want to keep us working at Burger King, supposedly raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour. Since fast food cannot sell a quality product if they raise wages that much, most who work there will accept wages that will indeed require them to work two or more jobs.

Democrats used to advocate the workers and well-paying manufacturing / blue collar jobs, where the American dream can be had by all people. This doesn’t seem to apply anymore.

Is everything in your world going to be Obama ,and the democrats fault?^^
Manufacturing jobs are still leaving at an alarming rate for over seas, the well paying jobs that are there people are trying to get in on them but these fraudulent universities are not helping by milking high tuition loans and promising a job at the end that never happens, and your wonder Government still refuses to forgive these loans but you ignore that as well, why because you can’t blame the democrats for that as well?

^^^^^ @SQUEEKY2 ‘Cause Trump told him. ^^^^^

@Yellowdog . I have your back brother. But WTF, are you talking about?
I am having trouble with understanding why someone would want people to have universal health care, a clean environment, women’s rights, civil rights, etc. But. Those same people, want you to slave away at BK?...

Please explain your logic….