How come the Republicans didn't do something when Biden did his so called quid quo pro?

You got it. He wasn’t a Presidential candidate. “Hillary’s emails” was manufactured BS turned big deal issue by the GOP because she dared to run for the WH. Other former Secretaries of State did the same thing with their emails and it seems with servers as well?

Just look at the Republican voters’ choice for Presidents. Bush instead of MacCain then a big piece of human garbage called trump. This is the only way Repubs know how to win the WH, electing human trash as president. Pretty obvious.

Basically everyone groaned and said, there he goes again, running his mouth unchecked.

The whole thing of it stank then, but now, President Trump is being bashed for trying to get a handle on it all. Because he is under fire, people are coming out with details to prove Trump had valid reasoning to seek information.

They think they get more political mileage out of casting suspicion on Biden and keeping him around as a target, to “inspire” people to vote for their terrible tools instead.

It’s definitely, politically motivated. Lots of powerful people, have family members, in jobs they aren’t qualified for…

A classic example, is GW. He failed at everything he was in charge of. The corporations, can’t fire them. The easiest way to get them out, is to promote them. It’s called failing upward…

There was nothing to do, He was complying with the declared national interests of his government INCLUDING that of the Congress.

^I’m not suggesting that it was his goal. He was a figure head. A puppet. Cheney, and the GOP, used him.

I don’t think anyone knew he did it at the time. If you listen to his bragging, he said it face-to-face with the Ukrainians, not as part of a recorded exchange. It was not publicly aired. It wasn’t really until he started bragging about it that anyone really realized what a crook he really is.

It’s not a crime so it didn’t seem important at the time

@SEKA “It’s not a crime so it didn’t seem important at the time” Maybe you need to talk to your Dems. Apparently to them it is a serious crime…if a Repub does it. Serious enough to impeach a POTUS.

I think Biden, and Trump, should be out of the 2020 election. Corruption, should not be tolerated…

The thing is when Biden did it, there were several conservatives wanting the same thing and were happy as shit to get that corrupt Ukraine official out.
Now they are all up in arms saying it was worse than what Trump did.

The so called Biden scandal is cooked up bullshit—period! At the very worst, Biden’s kid’s installation in the plum gas job was the height of brain dead impropriety one might typically expect from his Republican. opponents. While Biden has a reputation as a decent and honorable man, he is by no means the sharpest intellectual tack in the Democratic box. And the reason the accusations from the right against him gain absolutely no traction is because they are 100% strident nonsense cooked up for consumption by bottom rung low information yokels comprising the heart of the Republican base.

@stanleybmanly His own people were telling him at the time that Hunter getting that Burisma job presented a huge conflict of interest. He didn’t care and didn’t step away from his duties with Ukraine. And a whole lot of the questions were brought up by his own bragging on TV. When he specifically brags that he threatened to withhold aid unless they fired their version of an AG, that sounds suspiciously like what they are accusing Trump of. Yet the yokels on the left want to ignore that. I know…Shokin was dirty….says who? The Obama administration? Of course they would say that…if he wasn’t playing along. And I know…he was investigating Burisma for things before Hunter entered the scene. Except he was also looking at things that happened after Hunter was on the Board. There were 6 investigations going on Burisma. As soon as Shokin was fired (at the demand and threat of Joe Biden), 3 of those stopped under odd circumstances. And coincidentally they included the ones that involved Hunter.
Now tell me how you can take a hint of an accusation against Trump and write an entire novel about how evil he is, yet you can ignore the things that actually are suspicious when they involve a Dem?

Never mind my writing the Trump novel. The Republicans will NEVER bring Biden, Obama, Clinton or whatever other Democratic devil you whack job dummies care to compare to the fool and his prison bulging minions up on charges. Go ahead and scream “FOUL” as your sleazeball right wingers are marched off to jail or relegated to historical disgrace.

@seawulf575 Read the freaking question How come the “Republicans” didn’t do something when Biden did his so called quid quo pro?

It asked why the Republicans didn’t do anything. It is now the Republicans who are saying it’s not a crime, so I stand by my response

@seka…Go back and read my first post. I did read the freaking question and I gave it a solid freaking answer. However I still have an issue with your answer. Because apparently it is enough of a crime to impeach a president. Which makes the desire to shield Biden from scrutiny even more bizarre. He bragged about it, admitted it in a public forum, and he is one of the Dem candidates for POTUS. So if he gets the nomination and somehow manages to get elected, will the Dems then pursue impeachment of him from the moment he wins the election? They’ve laid the groundwork that his actions are an impeachable offense.

If he wins he will not be impeached for the same reason he wasn’t impeached when he was VP. The charges are stupid and completely without merit as are all of those other wank job alt right accusations against Democratic moderates. The Clintons, Obamas or Bidens have not been nor will be found culpable of criminal acts. Their lawyers, cabinet members and associates are not splashed in the headlines as either under investigation or convicted. Why not look at those on their way to jail or sitting there already?

To defend ole wulfie a bit and just a bit there are sleaze balls on both sides, but it does seem the ones in jail or going to jail have a big R in the title compared to a big D.

And the reason is simply that there is acceptable sleaze, and then there’s crime.

True enough.^

@stanleybmanly you amuse me! You call Trump a turd and a fool and an idiot and a criminal for the accusation that he did what Biden bragged about doing. You were sure he was going to be impeached and thrown out of office because of that exact action (which Biden did but Trump didn’t). So if it was so horrible it is worthy of impeachment, how do you justify saying it is not a crime and only a conservative conspiracy theory?

The thing @seawulf575 and I know you will deny it,but Trump did it for his own political gain.
Even conservatives at the time wanted that corrupt Ukraine guy out and all I have seen Biden didn’t do it for his own gain, where as Trump (I know- I know didn’t do it) did it for personal gain.

The way you justify the Biden quid pro quo hoax as farcical and made up is simple: just as the noise around the steele dosier, Hillary’s emails, Ben ghazi, Obama’s birth certificate, the crap can get no traction. It’s laughable wingnut voodo sensationalism in the service of distraction from the actual turd.

trump is human trash that is more than happy to lead a legion of people now shamelessly exposing their inner filth. Sad and deplorable. Hillary was right all along!

@SQUEEKY2 Whether Shokin was dirty or not is irrelevant. To threaten to hold up aid unless he is fired within 6 hours is the issue. THAT is almost exactly the same thing the Dems are saying was illegal for Trump to do…hold up aid that they (Congress) said was to be delivered AND to do it as a quid pro quo.

And No, I don’t know that Trump did it for his own personal gain. That is the narrative being created from the left. I just don’t see it. Go back and read the phone transcript again. They were talking about corruption in Ukraine and potential interference in our presidential election. Hunter Biden was brought up as an oddity that needed to be looked at, as was Joe, but think about this….Biden had already bragged about coercing the previous Ukrainian government into an action. That sounds pretty corrupt and needs to be looked at. What you have to consider is that Biden was the VP at the time and that is a big deal. It has nothing to do with him running for POTUS now. AND, running for political office should absolutely NEVER be an excuse for avoiding an investigation into your behavior. It SHOULD be the exact opposite, in fact.

Biden was not and will not be impeached. If there was an ounce of credibility to YOUR fairy tale, someone other than
you wing nuts might pay attention to it. And thanks for the open admission that both the Mueller investigation and the turd’s impeachment were fully justified.

@stanleybmanly “Biden was not and will not be impeached. If there was an ounce of credibility to YOUR fairy tale, someone other than you wing nuts might pay attention to it. ” Soooo….what you are saying is that Biden himself is not credible? After all it was his own words that tell the tale, not right wingers.
As for saying both the Mueller investigation and the impeachment being justified, I’m still struggling to come up with that one. What I CAN tell you is that you folks on the left are the biggest bunch of hypocrites for trying to impeach Trump on something and ignoring the exact same thing from Biden. In fact worse from Biden because he actually did use the old quid pro quo….by his own words! And you still are okay with him running for POTUS. It absolutely dazzles the mind to try figuring out the mental gymnastics you have to run through to make that one work.

^^You make Putin so proud, comrade! Deflect, distract, take a dump on the US Constitution. You trumpers make it look so easy.

Biden’s extortion, was self admitted.

That’s why America, should crack down on these characters.
They are above the law, and they know it.
It would help, if the other branches of government did their fucking jobs…

Let me help you in your “struggle”. “AND, running for political office should absolutely NEVER….” Read that and tell me how the turd has been sinned against.

@stanleybmanly when the Dems have to manufacture accusations and try to exclude any and all evidence that might contradict their claims, only a complete moron would see that as anything other than a witch hunt.

See it for whatever you want. Call it a witch hunt, turd roasting, carrot lynching, obesity coupe, call it what you choose. What you won’t do is call it off. The greasy pork chop is going to be cooked to a crisp. The accusations snd recriminations can bounce back and forth, but the House is committed, and his feints and dodges will not sustain the disreputable turd against the sustained onslaughts from a determined Congress. He will never see another day in office when he is not under fire for his life long bungling criminality. Just watch.

Again…it hits me as humorous. You claim President Trump has life long bungling criminality. Yet he has been indicted….never. Even now, with the Dems working overtime to come up with SOMETHING on him, they end up having to manufacture everything. So maybe he either isn’t as bungling or as criminal as you think.

Look at the people around him from his inner circle that have been indicted, and you say he is innocent of all of it? Yeah right!
Do you really believe that, @seawulf575 ?

Yes, maybe he is the stable genius he claims and is every bit as pure as the driven snow. We’re in for an instructive time finding out. I really don’t worry, because the truth has and will continue to come out. And there is a WHOLE LOT OF TRUTH surfacing about Stinky!

@SQUEEKY2 Yep, some of his people had done shady things in the past. But then, didn’t every president have that? Let’s go back in time. Barack Obama had Eric Holder that was found to be in contempt of congress for refusing the subpoena to show up and testify about Fast and Furious. Lois Lerner was likewise found to be in contempt for her part in the IRS scandal. Both of those were inner circle people. But let’s go back further. Bush II had Scooter Libby. Cheney was slimy, but I don’t believe he was ever indicted on anything or even brought up on charges. Clinton was surrounded by sketchy things. Bill and his willy were responsible for Troopergate, for perjury and obstruction of justice. Going back in time there was always Whitewater which had to get dropped because all the key players met untimely and sometime mysterious deaths, but which did lead to the impeachment of Bill. HW Bush didn’t have any large amount but was still dealing with some of the blow back from the Reagan years with things like the Iran-Contra affair and the Savings and Loan failure due to the Keating five. It goes on and on. And if you look at the ones under Trump, they were all pretty much guilty of things done before they were part of his team…some by as much as 10 years or more.
What you believe is what the media tells you. Do some research for yourself and you will come to the realization that the liberal media skews everything.

And what you just pointed out from both sides is they should do better screening of those people.
And you say your exonerated one didn’t know of those peoples criminal activities?
And wasn’t one of those his personal attorney ?
I thought Trump himself said he was going to surround himself with the very best people,now quite a few are in jail or on charges that doesn’t sound like the best to me.

So the tiresome argument “it’s just another run-of-the-mill Presidential turd-no more, no less. The only exception: that it’s been somehow propelled into the hot seat through Democratic perfidy? The Democrats invented a case against Trump and managed to impeach him? In view of such exceptional skills, wouldn’t the Dems be foolish to allow such talent to lie fallow? Why back off when “despicable turd “ is the watchword that works?

@stanleybmanly Stay tuned “Shit for Brains” will cross the line again and again and again !

And his spin doctors will be there to save his ass again and again,then blame it all on the democrats.
His base will then accuse the left wing media for it all,Trump will half ast confess with his idiotic tweets, and his loyal followers will hold their hands over their ears shouting la,la,la la until it goes away and the orange freak does it again.

There’s no need to wait. The treasure chest is bulging already with results from close to 40 different investigations in this country alone. At every turn Stinky loses case after case in his attempt to withhold his tax and business records from prosecutors. He is under investigation for money laundering, tax evasion and bank fraud by governments world wide. He will never make it to election day, before he and his minions answer to criminal charges, and plenty of them—depend on it.

@stanleybmanly He bought the GOP already !

They are wed to him at the hip. And here is why they must accept (as the impeachment demonstrated) the consequences when your champion is an unmitigated and insufferable turd. The Republicans are for all practical purposes no better or worse than their Democratic counterparts. But increasingly and unfailingly with a certainty to match that of continental drift, the political focus shifts from competing ideologies to rationalization of a viable defense of the turd. The GOP faces manifest difficulties in its forced pretense that the turd is not a turd. They are up against matters of character vs. the volatile support of their base, and it presents them with ever ratcheting difficulties. The proposition that a supposedly thriving economy might compensate for a galloping character deficit is beyond dubious. It is the fatally engineered fallacy that MUST guarantee the destruction of any and all who embrace it. The Democrats unfortunately have it made. There is no hope in the defense of a man of proven and rampant moral isnsufficiency.

@SQUEEKY2 And what you just pointed out from both sides is they should do better screening of those people. Maybe so. But which of us doesn’t have a skeleton in our closet? Some are bigger and uglier than others. You won’t be able to find a single person that has never done something, sometime, that wasn’t wrong. As for screening, I’m pretty sure they get screened…looking for arrests and convictions, financial issues, etc. But that doesn’t mean they will do an in-depth investigation into every aspect of their lives.

@stanleybmanly ” The Democrats invented a case against Trump and managed to impeach him?” Yep. We have been through this. Allegations were made up about him and the Dems went crazy throwing together a bogus investigation, taking hearsay and opinion as solid evidence, and then coming up with non-crimes to impeach him with. Face it, this impeachment was a political weapon…that’s it. All it takes is a simple majority to impeach a president. They know there was nothing there, but wanted to be able to go into the 2020 election saying “He was impeached!!”.

So was the frame up but a brilliant job of political theater? Little more than fanciful fantasy? Aren’t you even a little curious as to whatever the wily dems have cooked up next for Stinky? Don’t you think the brilliant fraud perpetrated on the country worthy of an encore? Aren’t you breathless with anticipation at the upcoming debut of the next episode? These are rarified historical times, and it is intriguing to speculate as to who will find themselves on the wrong side of History. Looking back at the previous turds ( for those who can be bothered) I am convinced that—but never mind. Why give away the plot?

@seawulf575 You keep believing it was a hoax, fraud, a frame up for poor little orange hair, we still believe it happened and they did an excellent job of covering it up.
So no matter how many fright wing links you chuck we aint believing it so I guess we are going to have to call this a stalemate as well.
But hold your head high you served your corporate masters well.
You sure you don’t work for the Republican spin centre?

@SQUEEKY2 I understand you are bombarded with hate Trump skew pretty much 24/7. But I know you are not a foolish person. Take a look at what the stories and apply some actual questioning attitude. Trump was impeached for his crimes! ask…What crimes? Because nothing the Dems presented as “high crimes and misdemeanors” met either description. They sounded bad…great for sound bites…but they aren’t crimes. So start with that. Then dig deeper. They had a whistleblower identify that Trump was trying to use his office to block Biden’s presidential run. But did the WB really do that? According to his WB complaint, the entire thing was hearsay at best. He admitted in his complaint that he had no first hand knowledge. So automatically, the entire thing becomes a piece of fiction. And when you look at the details of his complaint and compare them to the official phone transcript, you find it is 100% wrong. But this was the thing the Dems were using as the starting point. They did no research, they did no verifications…they just ran with it.

When you start questioning stuff and really looking at facts instead of taking whatever the talking heads on TV tell you, you find you are being lied to.
I know…you all think I’m lying to you. I’m asking you to do the research yourself. Liars don’t do that. You all say I’m defending Trump. Maybe I am, but I hear what the narrative against him is and try reconciling that with the facts and just can’t get there. Not without a whole lot of blind assumptions which is where lies live.

The only lies I keep seeing day in and day out are Fox News, they don’t distort they outright lie.

I know they are your favorite source for info but they have been getting “Liar liar pant on fire” ratings and that is what they want; they charge the ad customers to be on right after a news report about ~~ “Martians being on the Democratic National Committee!”

@Tropical_Willie You are really quite amazing. You know me not at all, yet you believe you do. You assign whatever trait to me you feel will help your arguments and voila! they are facts to you. Here’s a clue: I haven’t watched Fox news for more than about a total of 15 minutes in the whole last year. So when you take that “fact” away, what you are left with looks amazingly whiny.

Fox news too leftist and mainstream for you?

Nope…just as biased as CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or NBC. I read the occasional articles from all these outlets. You should try it sometime…open your mind a little.

I get 95% of my news by CBC Canada, or Global TV with only 5% from other sources ,
I dislike MSNBC as much as I dislike FOX, to Left and far to right