Are you ready to mix & mingle?

I’m waiting for a vaccine but go out and live large & enjoy. Just don’t clog up the hospitals !

DNR at admission for all the protesters !

I don’t feel I was ready to mix & mingle before the pestilence. It was just the enforced situation in which I found myself. In fact it’s rather astonishing how full the refrigerator stays. Neither the wife nor I can grow used to it, though we are both pigging out, cooking and baking. It is very interesting the things we consume that have shot way up during the pestilence— milk for instance. A half gallon lasts maybe 3 days & I’ve taken up buying it by the gallon. Our wine consumption is down to nothing with no one else passing through the house, as is the booze load in general. This is garbage night & not even an empty beer bottle to recycle. Time to grab a brownie. THAT’s where the milk is going!!

Yes but no more hand shaking, hugging and kissing. My Hawaiian friends use to kiss me every time they see me (one or twice a week). It always made me feel uncomfortable. The called it “honi honi”. No more of that and no more sharing breath.

I don’t care for myself. I can get sick. Most people survive the virus. I’m relatively young and healthy. Maybe I could become immune. But that isn’t proven or not.

But I have immediate family members in the “get coronavirus good chance you die” category.

Renting an apartment away from them so I can pursue front-line jobs is a possible goal for me. If I had an easy $1K/month cushion I would do it tomorrow.

Nope. I’ll let others be the guinea pig.

I agree with @Jonsblond
You won’t catch me doing that for a long ass time. People are nuts.

No, but I am ready to peruse the leopardsatemyface subreddit more often.

What most people don’t seem to understand is that the same number of people are going to be infected no matter what happens, probably about 80% of the population. The purpose of “flattening the curve” is to reduce the number of people getting sick simultaneously so the medical system isn’t overloaded.

Currently, in most places, only the old and the disabled are dying because of lack of available medical care, and no one cares about them. In fact, most people are glad that the old and the sick are dying. Now that the health care system has been given time to prepare, they can handle more people getting sick, so they can loosen some restrictions. No one cares if the immunocompromised die, because they’re unimportant and unworthy of life.

@SmashTheState It’s pretty hard for me to believe that the sick, old and disabled are not cared for. We just shut the whole country down to keep them safe. The curve was flattened to a degree where the hospitals were not overrun and care was generally available to those who required it.
My fear is that when restrictions are loosened people will get the wrong idea and think it’s ok to go about life willy nilly as they did before. That’s not really the idea when we reopen.

@ARE_you_kidding_me Everyone in Kanada who lost their jobs due to the pandemic has been given $2000 a month, being judged to be the minimum necessary amount for people to survive. People on disability pensions in Ontario get $1100 a month, and they haven’t received a single extra penny despite costs rising dramatically and the disabled being most at risk. The subtext is that the disabled are only worth half of an actual human being.

Beyond that, a document to hospitals leaked by the Conservative government in Ontario instructs them that if they must choose who gets a ventilator, they are to choose anyone else over the disabled. It’s barely been mentioned in the media, and no one cares. We have seen this before: lebensunwertes leben.

edit: I should also mention that disability groups I monitor have all reported that medical care has been withdrawn from the disabled. I lost my weekly warfarin blood-testing, for example, and was told I have to guess at my dosages now: too little and I die in my sleep from a blood clot, while too much and I die from a nosebleed. Paraplegics and quadriplegics are reporting UTIs and bedsores because their urine drainage bags are being left to overflow back up into their kidneys and they’re not getting turned regularly.

I have the feeling I’ll continue to work from home indefinately, which is fine. My goal is to let this play out through the summer and re-evaluate.

Giggity.

I can’t help but notice that @ARE_you_kidding_me has four GAs where he expresses disbelief that the poor and disabled are being screwed over and left to die – even as body after body is being hauled out of care homes where the old and disabled are warehoused in cramped, shoddy conditions.

For the handful of people left on Fluther who aren’t privileged middle-class suburban liberals, you should be looking carefully at the reaction you’re seeing here, because it reflects the attitudes you can expect from the general population. Don’t think that anyone is going to care when you’re starving or homeless and dying of preventable medical conditions: the ones who know what’s happening support it, and the ones who say they’d object if they believed it was really happening are closing their curtains like Good Germans and refusing to see.

I am not shocked, but concerned. This is the chance to wipe out a new virus completely. Something that Is worth it from the unique experiment to see if we can totaly rid the world of any problem.

It is an opportunity not to be diminished by those who give up the fight.
If one could have the great chance to eliminate a pestilence then a little bit of blood and treasure is worth and worthy to invest in making the world a better place

It is worth it. It is an investment worth donating to .I can go without a hair cut for a year in order to wipe out Covid19, and the next one should be eazy to fight untill allpestilences are wiped out.

@SmashTheState The lens you see the world through appears to be twisted. I can only speculate why, you’re not a a dumb guy and I actually respect your perspective. That said it’s very hard to ignore the fact that the entire world just literally shut down to keep this virus from ripping through the population and killing the very people you speak of: the old, infirm, poor, immunosuppressed, and any manner of underlying condition that make people susceptible. So far it’s mostly worked and these scenarios where some people are given care and others not has not had to play out. Basically the whole world put money, profits, their jobs…everything aside….for those people.

“Those people.”

@SmashTheState “those people” yes. Every single human will at one point be one.

@SmashTheState I think you are projecting, because I don’t see the US situation like that at all.

My mom is disabled and still getting great medical care and maximum benefits during COVID. I believe there are others on this site who are also disabled that could give you their situations if you asked. Blanket global statements are often inaccurate.

I literally don’t know anyone on this site that cares about lurve more than to tell each other congrats on a milestones. Please don’t take that at all seriously.

@KNOWITALL I’m betting your mother is also middle class. Try being on a government disability pension and see how it’s different. I am already quite aware that the petite bourgeoisie experiences an extremely different reality.

@SmashTheState No she’s really not but she doesn’t whine about it, she works a pt job to earn a little extra. Sounds like you’re feeling sorry for yourself, which may or may not be justified, but it’s certainly not our ‘collective’ fault.

Ah, the ugly 19th century doctrine of the deserving poor puts in an appearance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-52022965

@raum We’ve seen this before.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/trump-says-hes-aiming-to-shield-corporations-from-legal-liability-for-workers-who-contract-covid-19-on-the-job/

@KNOWITALL “I believe there are others on this site who are also disabled that could give you their situations if you asked. ”

Indeed there are. And with my conditions I know that, should it come down to it, I’m getting passed over for someone healthier and with a “better chance of full recovery”.

People are conflating two separate issues.

Yes, most of the country has shut down (partly) in order to protect our most vulnerable populations.

But if we fail to flatten the curve, doctors will have to operate under triage. Clinical frailty scores will place a number on the value of your life.

If it came down to it, many people in my own family would not be given priority. That scares the shit out of me.

I understand that there is a need for triage and CFS. But it’s a slippery slope towards eugenics.

A news piece about the situation in Kanada, where more than 600 care homes are now infected with the novel coronavirus, more than half the residents have died in some of them, and the few workers who haven’t gotten sick have abandoned their posts in fear, leaving residents to starve and lie unwashed in their own dirty diapers.

They’ve now called in the military to bathe the disabled because no one else gives a shit and the various governments were already underfunding the old, the sick, and the disabled before all of this. In fact, the reason it spread so quickly is because the workers were being given part-time work to avoid giving them benefits, and paid so poorly they had to work at multiple facilities to make ends meet.

And then the nice middle class liberals on Fluther wonder why I’m so fucking angry all the time.

@SmashTheState The world is shit. It was before this virus. It will be after. It’s a pile of shit with little bits of sunshine. I feel the pain of the world always, but this has just brought it into sharp focus.

My mother was in a nursing home for ten years. I thank goodness that she died well before this virus. At least she got to die in a private hospital room. Caring doctors and nurses took care of her until the end. All of us kids and grandkids got to say our goodbyes. She died as i held her hand and sang to her.

I assure you we are not middle class. However, I consider myself liberal. I too am on disability due to mood and anxiety disorders. Will they give a shit about me? No. They never did. Thank goodness I still have some family left.