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Americanos: How do you take your disinfectant, straight or with a squeeze of lemon?

Asked by ucme (50047points) April 24th, 2020

Dettol on the rocks!
Clean innards.

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filmfann's avatar

Clorox makes it easier to swallow the light sticks.

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

With a grain of salt.

Patty_Melt's avatar

OMG it is wind turbines all over again.
POTUS did not suggest, he inquired. It was no different than when a talk show host asks a question they already know the answer to. By asking this question, the answer has been provided for the pod eaters.
Watch the actual footage instead of the slice and paste version.

An actual doctor being questioned later got all confused about his UV A, UV B, UV C, sunlight, and what was he supposed to say so POTUS would look stupid. The doctor made himself look like pre med before a cram session.

ragingloli's avatar

Please. Everyone knows you inject it directly into your veins, with a massive horse syringe.

Patty_Melt's avatar

You found out the great American secret.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Patty_Melt

Not so. Glorious Leader himself now claims he was being sarcastic.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Yeah duh. So even pod eaters would get it.

I am having some difficulty finding the actual footage uncut, bear with me, but this is a segment where you can see he was asking for clarification of something said previously.

Patty_Melt's avatar

It appears that the man he is asking for clarification is nodding his head to the affirmative, in which case the topic was disinfection through the use of UV light internally. Nobody brought up Clorox except the giddy media when they didn’t get it. Clorox is not the only means of disinfection. Apparently there is a large number of people not knowing that.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Trump is clearly exhausted and when he is like this words just flow out of him. Poor old guy probably makes perfect sense in his own head. Only an idiot would think he is actually suggesting people inject bleach. Of course he is not meaning this. His big issue is his insecurity and his vanity, nobody lets him forget it either. I don’t think many here would fair as well at 73 dealing with COVID as POTUS and having a historic hostile media nit picking every word you say. I’m no Trump fan but shit.

cheebdragon's avatar

Anyone dumb enough to try it can just be written off as natural selection.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Okay @ARE_you_kidding_me So he raises the WHITE FLAG and goes for Amendment #25 !

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@Tropical_Willie I would be fine with Pence over Trump right now. Hell, even over Biden. Don’t much care for his views on a few items but at least Pence knows where the hell he is and what he is doing.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Criteria for that has been met now what !

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Someone needs a double Clorox with Lysol chaser.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Naw. Make mine Windex with a little umbrella. I’m trying to cut back.

ucme's avatar

I bet his favourite cocktail is sex on the bleach.

ucme's avatar

I don’t need the obligatory lecture on politics or Trump.
I am aware of media edits & fake noos lol
I just found it funny & so asked a frivolous question on it.
You know…inject a little humour just as the man himself does!

RabidWolf's avatar

I have been so exhausted that words just fell out of my mouth. I was also told you need to go to bed and when you wake up we can continue with this conversation. Only a complete moron would swallow bleach or any other cleaning supplies. Just like the husband and wife team that ingested the fish tank cleaner. I’m limited on what I can eat and drink due to meds I take. But I enjoy the hell out of apples with peanut butter and oranges. I eat small helping of rice. Of course, I put hot peppers in with the rice. Common sense. I eat foods with vitamins

chyna's avatar

I saw it played out on C-Span. You can’t say that it was edited. No matter the reason he said it, it was irresponsible. Period. And I do believe he said it because it flittered through his head and came out of his mouth without thinking.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Patty_Melt

Even if he were “asking for clarification”, a press conference where you’re suppose to be presenting solid, useful information to the public is not the place to spitball wild ideas and ask “can this be done”.

Neither is that what the man himself claims he was doing. He claims he was being sarcastic. So basically, he admits that he’s trolling everyone. And that is even more egregious than him simply being dangerously ignorant.

Patty_Melt's avatar

He had to claim sarcasm, because the pod eaters simply cannot wrap their brains around the process he was discussing.

Good grief, people! When sterilizing a baby bottle, does mommy cut off its little testicles?
Only the most simple minded of morons could watch the uncut version of the transaction and not realize he was referencing a UV method of disinfection!
If you are going to disengage your brain, and all common sense, please at least keep them in the same pocket.

seawulf575's avatar

I prefer tinctures of barley and hops. Sometimes agave derivatives or cane sugar distillations.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Patty_Melt

Do all the mental gymnastics you need to do to gloss over it. The fact is he finally uttered something so astoundingly stupid that even his most ardent defenders in the media can’t excuse it, and now he’s trying to walk it back.

Demosthenes's avatar

It’s just annoying that Trump support involves so much ego that even when he says something so obviously stupid, it still has to be defended. Yet the same people defending him probably wouldn’t have defended Obama’s “57 states” comment or the numerous gaffes Biden has made. Except at least no harm comes from believing there are 57 states except to maybe a child taking a geography test.

Like I don’t think that Trump actually meant what he said but that doesn’t mean I can’t say it was fucking stupid. There’s no politician I like so much that I feel I must defend everything they say. They all have the capacity to be idiots or say idiotic things.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Poison control centers in several states are already reporting a sharp uptick in calls related to disinfectants.

LostInParadise's avatar

I see no excuse for what Trump said. It was not a gaffe. He did not mistaken say one word instead of another. He went on a tear saying how people should drink disinfectants, and possibly endangering people’s lives. The makers of Lysol were motivated to issue a warning saying that the product should not be used internally, and should only be used as directed.

ucme's avatar

I wonder if they will imbleach him.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Bozo did say it !

Patty_Melt's avatar

I can’t believe how long bozos are continuing to claim he mentioned anything about household cleaning products. I can’t believe there are still people claiming to have heard him say anything about ingesting anything.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mynorthwest.com/1833966/uv-light-coronavirus-disinfectant/amp/

Darth_Algar's avatar

“He didn’t say it.”

“Ok, maybe he said it, but it was taken out of context.”

“Ok, he did say it, and it wasn’t necessarily out of context, but he was being sarcastic.”

How much longer until we get to the “but Obama…” phase?

Demosthenes's avatar

I mentioned Obama. :) Only in that he made gaffes that Trump
supporters would never try and excuse.

Trump didn’t tell people to ingest household cleaners. Anyone who does that deserves to die and take themselves out of the gene pool. Getting that from what he said is a stretch. But he did talk about disinfectant in the body and it wasn’t “sarcasm”.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Of course he didn’t say we should ingest household cleaners. He said we should inject them.

chyna's avatar

MSN minute 2:08 he talks about injecting disinfectant. I saw this on CSPAN. Same exact wording, nothing has been dubbed in or out.

cheebdragon's avatar

Trump needs to get someone like Luther to break down every single comment he makes.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Trump needs to keep to keep his mouth shut with his 5th grade science experiments. Including Chloroquine idea which apparently came from a billionaire donor !

I wonder if the donor was an executive at Sanofi or Novartis, both make Chloroquine.

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie If Chloroquine helps, why does it matter who came up with the idea?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

I follow medical advice from doctor not from a Reality Show Host with purchased college degree.

chyna's avatar

Chloroquine has not been proven to help. As a matter of fact, it has a lethal outcome here.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Nobody opened my link.

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seawulf575's avatar

@chyna Did you actually read the Newsweek article you cited? I know you got the headline, but did you actually read the article? It is an amazing read…more for what it doesn’t say than what it does. I will explain as I go and will stop when I come to the questions I have that the article does not actually address. It talks about a drug trial for Chloroquine. Stop. Who conducted the trials? What were their criteria for selection of candidates? Moving on. It was a group of 81 patients, 40 of whom were given a low dosage of the drug and 41 that were given a high dose. Stop. First question: what is considered a high dose or a low dose? Second question: How advanced was the disease in these people when they were given the drug? Moving on. It says that 13 people in the low dose group died and 16 people in the high dose group died. Another 11 developed heart abnormalities. Stop. Did the 13 and 16 people die because of the drug or because of the disease? It didn’t say. What about the other 27 and 25 people? Did they get better more quickly? Did it have any impact at all? The 11 with heart abnormalities, were they permanent changes to the heart or were they temporary? What were the abnormalities? Moving on. It talks about people using azithromycin and oseltamivir and how Chloroquine can impact their QTc interval which could lead to death. Stop. Do these drugs have any impact on their own with the QTc interval? Were any of the people in the controlled test taking these drugs? Were ALL of them? This is an evaluation of the two drugs and the testing done with them towards helping with viruses. Basically they don’t do much alone or together. Were the two drugs knows to have adverse reactions with other medications? Moving on. You get the idea. There are many, many questions brought out with the article you cited, none of which were answered. Yet they are quick to draw conclusions that support the narrative they want. So basically, that article does nothing to support your arguments at all.

LostInParadise's avatar

Trump has no business using the presidential podium to talk about any specific treatments that have not been proven safe and effective, and that could be injurious. The Lysol company felt compelled to mention that their product should not be used as an injection.

LostInParadise's avatar

The FDA says that that hydrochloroquine has not been proven effective and has a risk factor.
Link

RabidWolf's avatar

Folks, seriously now. Using Common Sense nobody would do such a thing. It was said with tongue in cheek, maybe to throw humor in. Lysol kills 99.9 % of all germs. Okay, so the attempt at humor was ill-timed. Personally, I have self doctored myself. But I used common sense not something I learned in med school. (Yeah right me in Med school) I’ve reset broken bones and I stopped bleeding. A neat trick when you’re on blood thinners. Take some vitamin K and of course, plugged the site where you’re bleeding. (My nose) I got to my PA a few days latter and told her what happened and how I treated it. You know what I was told? That I did good. She said what works is what works. They checked my blood and it was 2 points lower than where they prefer it to be.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Right, humor. If you honestly believe that then I’ve got some oceanfront property in Liechtenstein to sell you.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

It was not humor, or sarcasm. He was spitballing ideas and not doing a good job of getting his ideas across. Just before his comments they were talking about using UV and disinfectants outside and it’s pretty obvious he was basically thinking out loud “hey wonder if…..” His main comments were focused on using light.

Here are the transcribed comments including the conversation leading up to them:

ACTING UNDER SECRETARY BRYAN: — for this opportunity to do this today.

Good afternoon everybody. My name is Bill Bryan and I lead the Science and Technology Directorate at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Over the last several months, we’ve intensified the Department’s R&D efforts to identify and deliver information that informs our response to COVID-19. S&T is working to identify, develop, deploy, and deploy the tools and information to support our response to this crisis.

As part of our efforts, we’re leveraging the unique capabilities of S&T’s National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center to study the biology of the COVID-19 virus. This center is a high-biocontainment laboratory located in Frederick, Maryland. It was established in the early 2000s, in response to the Amerithrax attacks, and where we study, characterize, analyze, and develop countermeasures for biological threats to the homeland. We work closely with the CDC, FDA, HHS, and also our Department of Defense colleagues and many others.

Yesterday, I shared the emerging results of our work that we’re doing now with the Coronavirus Task Force. And today, I would like to share certain trends that we believe are important.

If I may have the first slide, please. And while that’s coming up, our most striking observation to date is the powerful effect that solar light appears to have on killing the virus — both surfaces and in the air. We’ve seen a similar effect with both temperature and humidity as well, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both is generally less favorable to the virus.

So let me illustrate with this first slide. If you look to the right, you’ll see that term “half-life,” with a bunch of timestamps on there.

First, let me tell you what a “half-life” is. We don’t measure the virus as far as how long we live on the surface; we have to measure the decay of the virus in terms of its half-life, because we don’t know certain elements. We don’t know how much a person expectorates when he — when he spits — right? — when he sneezes, whatever the case may be. We don’t know how much virus is in there. So it’s — that has a long — a bearing on how long the virus is going to be alive and active. So we measure it in half life because half-life doesn’t change.

So if you look at an 18-hour half-life, what you’re basically saying is that every 18 hours, the virus — it’s the life of the virus is cut in half. So if you start with 1,000 particles of the virus, in 18 hours, you’re down to 500. And 18 hours after that, you’re down to 250, and so on and so forth. That’s important, as I explain in the rest of the chart.

If you look at the first three lines, when you see the word “surface,” we’re talking about nonporous surfaces: door handles, stainless steel. And if you look at the — as the temperature increases, as the humidity increases, with no sun involved, you can see how drastically the half-life goes down on that virus. So the virus is dying at a much more rapid pace, just from exposure to higher temperatures and just from exposure to humidity.

If you look at the fourth line, you inject summer — the sunlight into that. You inject UV rays into that. The same effects on line two — as 70 to 35 degrees with 80 percent humidity on the surface. And look at line four, but now you inject the sun. The half-life goes from six hours to two minutes. That’s how much of an impact UV rays has on the virus.

The last two lines are aerosols. What does it do in the air? We have a very unique capability — I was discussing this with the President prior to coming out; he wanted me to convey it to you — on how we do this. I believe we’re the only lab in the country that has this capability.

But if you can imagine a Home Depot bucket — a five-gallon Home Depot bucket — we’re able to take a particle — and this was developed and designed by our folks at the NBACC. We’re able to take a particle of a virus and suspend it in the air inside of this drum and hit it with various temperatures, various humidity levels, multiple different kinds of environmental conditions, to include sunlight. And we’re able to measure the decay of that virus while it’s suspended in the air. This is how we do our aerosol testing.

We worked with John Hopkin Applied Physics Lab, and we actually developed a larger drum to do actually more testing. And it’s four times the size of that. So this is the capability that we bring to this effort.

So, in summary, within the conditions we’ve tested to date, the virus in droplets of saliva survives best in indoors and dry conditions. The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva. And that’s important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus, and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids.

And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions. And when you — when you look at that chart, look at the aerosol as you breathe it; you put it in a room, 70 to 75 degrees, 20 percent humidity, low humidity, it lasts — the half-life is about an hour. But you get outside, and it cuts down to a minute and a half. A very significant difference when it gets hit with UV rays.

And, Mr. President, while there are many unknown links in the COVID-19 transmission chain, we believe these trends can support practical decision making to lower the risks associated with the virus.

If I can have my next slide.

And when that — while that comes up, you’ll see a number of some practical applications. For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus. And extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light.

We’re also testing disinfectants readily available. We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids. And I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes; isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing — just spraying it on and letting it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.

This is not the end of our work as we continue to characterize this virus and integrate our findings into practical applications to mitigate exposure and transmission. I would like to thank the President and thank the Vice President for their ongoing support and leadership to the department and for their work in addressing this pandemic. I would also like to thank the scientists, not only in S&T and the NBACC, but to the larger scientific and R&D community.

Thank you very much.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Bill.

Q Mr. Bryan —

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. So I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting.

ACTING UNDER SECRETARY BRYAN: We’ll get to the right folks who could.

THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

So we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s — that’s pretty powerful.

Demosthenes's avatar

Thanks for posting that. As usual, I think both sides are wrong, skewing what was actually said to fit a narrative. Anti-Trump folks are saying that he told American citizens to drink bleach, pro-Trump folks are saying that he was making a joke. Neither explanation seems right. He was thinking out loud, which he often does, and often leads to some regrettable things said. He talked about doctors injecting disinfectant, which is dumb and deserves to be called out as such, but he wasn’t telling ordinary citizens to ingest/inject household cleaner.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@Demosthenes I will say that if people have actually consumed bleach or some other stunt like that it’s the media who is really to blame for framing it in such a way.

I still hate the way Trump came out and tried to counter the way this was spun up by saying it was sarcasm or that he said it just to see what the media would do. Not very bright, says a lot though.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Again, nobody opened my link

The UV IS the disinfectant he’s talking about. He never switched to another topic. He is talking about internal UV disinfection.

The whole subject of UV disinfection process is confusing. He was trying to understand what had been said to him about it.

seawulf575's avatar

@Patty_Melt My last snarky comment was apparently flame-bait and got modded. But UV is a good disinfectant and Trump was talking about it, but I’m not sure if he veered off or not. He was definitely brain-storming, throwing things out for possible consideration BY THE PROPER MEDICAL FOLKS, That is also the part that the liberal narrative always wants to ignore.

seawulf575's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me I agree. The media always seems to get a pass on their irresponsibility. In their rush to try making Trump look evil, they make up lies or drastically distort truths (not sure what the difference really is) and then put out horrible information to the public. And when someone in the public follows through, such as trying to drink disinfectants, they blame Trump for the damage caused by his words, which they didn’t report accurately in the first place, and which resulted bad information being put out to the public.

Demosthenes's avatar

If he was speaking on the same topic, then I guess we need to argue the meaning and intent of “and then”, a combination of conjunctions that people often use when switching topics. To me it’s just as much of a stretch to claim he was still talking about UV as to say that he was advocating the misuse of household cleaners.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@Patty_Melt Only he knows for sure. If you read the actual transcript above it sure seems like he moves from the UV light to the disinfectants as did the discussion leading up to his comments. Clearly he is not stating people inject bleach though.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@seawulf575 Yet they’ll still blame Trump when some idiot does it too based on their skewed, sensational coverage.

Patty_Melt's avatar

He said and then twice. The first time he stayed on the UV topic, why not the second time.

Here’s what it boils down to for me folks, I want Donald Trump to be my president, not my doctor, or for that matter, my housekeeper.

Whatever he was talking about, he was asking for confirmation, not advising the sick. Right or wrong, he was not making recommendations.

Lastly, people who think disinfectants are limited to liquids, are behind.

I saw a president who is trying to hold a nation together in the face of a pandemic, desperately trying to get some kind of optimism from the medical specialists.
We don’t see him off camera conferencing with multiple doctors and scientists, getting tons of intel, and trying to sort through what it all means. Reasonable people would expect some confusion, given he doesn’t have a medical degree. He was leaned far away from the microphone, so obviously not addressing the nation.

People are being huge idiots over a moment completely fabricated for political disruption. Not one is truly concerned for anyone’s welfare.
Anyone who drinks Clorox because they think the president told them to, we are well off without them.

ucme's avatar

Gosh, one seems to have unwittingly set orf what one believes you americans call a shit storm!
Frightfully sorry old beans, dashed bad form what what!

Darth_Algar's avatar

Sure, UV light is a good disinfectant. You know what else it does well? Burn the skin.

Patty_Melt's avatar

That is why he was asking if it can be done. It was a new concept to him, and he was hoping to hear it might work.

I feel sorry for him. It is obvious to me he cares deeply about the suffering. Grasping at straws, he wants something to be effective.
I don’t care how solidly Democrat someone believes themselves, you must see it by now. It must stir something inside you to see him pour over this so hard.
As I consider the possible other candidates who might have been president now, I think maybe half of them would have eaten a bullet by now.

I am just so tired of the whole whining thing.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

He needs to stop using Twitter !
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He needs stop talking off the top of his head, maybe gets COVID-19
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He needs to stop Pence from running around without a mask and Pence dies from COVID-19.
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.oh oh Pelosi is President and GOP Congress all have a stroke !

Patty_Melt's avatar

I’m with you about Pence not wearing a mask.
So he could speak with doctors and see them eye to eye? Whaaaaa? How does he think they are worn?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Patty_Melt ALL THE DOCTORS ARE WRONG AND A HAVE A DEGREE ABOVE THE TWITTER PREZ and FAKE VP ! ! ! !

Wish you luck in ICU with COVID-19 – - – No mask required by you. AND AGAINST MEDICAL ADVISE ! !

YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND , do you ? ? ?

chyna's avatar

By Pence not wearing a mask, in a covid unit, he is telling people that it’s not necessary to wear one in public. He is sending out the wrong message and should be more considerate of what the doctors and scientists are trying to instill in people to be safe.

RabidWolf's avatar

How about freedom of choice? This is still a semi-free country. When it falls under a dictatorship that’ll be when I disappear into the mountains. Our gov does not wear one when he goes on the tube. There isn’t even one hanging around his neck.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

So there are two more assholes, @RabidWolf

Point is this is real and masks are required in clinical areas. If you go in for an operation and the doctor just get through fixing his bicycle with grease under his/her nails, “How about freedom of choice?”. Should he crcub and put on gloves? It’s a clinical area YES he/she should scrub and put on gloves.

chyna's avatar

@rabidwolf Your governor and Mr. Pence are stupid. It’s not a matter of freedom, but a matter of safety for them and those around them.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Patty_Melt “I feel sorry for him. It is obvious to me he cares deeply about the suffering. Grasping at straws, he wants something to be effective.
I don’t care how solidly Democrat someone believes themselves, you must see it by now. It must stir something inside you to see him pour over this so hard.”

Oh Lordy Jesus….

Patty_Melt's avatar

Calling upon the son of a god for help? Yep. You got it all figured out.

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