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How the hell are there white people all over country showing up at protests and setting fires and breaking windows?

Asked by JLeslie (65743points) May 31st, 2020 from iPhone

These extremists are everywhere. It concerns more than after 9/11 when people were afraid terrorists could be anywhere in America. These people are terrorists too.

This was all organized in days. I think they have been preparing since the Floyd’s murder and pushing African Americans to protest. Everyone is being manipulated.

People aren’t getting it. The problem is the propaganda machine more than anything.

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LadyMarissa's avatar

This report shows the peace & calm of the neighborhood where George Floyd was killed. They aren’t rioting & burning anything…they are mourning their loss!!!

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

Guaranteed everyone is being manipulated.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Some white people are just as mad as anyone else about George. I see the diversity of protesters as progress. But there are bad apples in all colors.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

These things are simply a magnet for bitter, angry people. They come in all shapes, sizes and colors. The excitement and spectacle of destruction is what motivates them. These are not people peacefully protesting a loss or an injustice.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Neo-nazis following Trump’s White Power agenda.

janbb's avatar

@KNOWITALL not disagreeing with you and certainly there are many white people who are horrified by this murder and the other murders and are protesting alongside African-
Americans. Many of the people in my congregation are going to a nearby rally tomorrow.

But many of those committing the violent acts are from alt-right groups who are using this opportunity to stir up more division and hatred.

I posted this on FaceBook which was a report from a writer in the Minneapolis community:

“Folks, this is truly scary. Apparently a large number of white supremacists in Minneapolis infiltrated, trying to start a war. And you know what would really not be a big leap? That “They start looting, we start shooting” was the trigger code for this Operation Reichstag. That line was SCRIPTED; it didn’t just fall out of Trump’s mouth. Anyway, that’s my intuition.

The below is firsthand observation, from a writer whose work I know and trust, who lives in Uptown Minneapolis. He asked that his name not be used, he is getting threats.

“So for those of you who are interested – I have no idea how national media is covering this – here is what is happening on the ground from my perspective. It is a long post.

All day yesterday people were out on the street helping businesses – EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS IN UPTOWN has boarded up windows and locked down their stores.

The 3rd Precinct, which burned on down Thursday night, is on the east end of Lake Street.

Uptown, where we live and the 5th Precinct police station is located, is three miles west on Lake street. All of Lake Street was looted on Thursday night. On Friday EVERY BUSINESS on Lake Street and adjoining commercial districts, was boarded up.

Many spray painted murals on the plywood – let folks know they were a local or minority owned business. Essential businesses.

Last night was by far the worst night. Protests during the day were peaceful. There was an 8:00pm curfew. Everything changed when the sun went down.

There are roving and highly organized bands of anti-government neo-nazi white men cruising the city, breaking off plywood, looting stores, and then setting them fire to the buildings.

On the Northside, which is predominately African American, the situation was much the same. Local civic groups were trying to protect local businesses and homes. there were many fires.

The violence and destruction is NOT being driven by local people. The cars on the streets have either removed their license plates, or have out of state plates.

Here is a post from a neighbor, “Everybody! We need to get our heads around what’s happening, Mpls and St Paul are being attacked by fascist “accelerationist” white crazies. Trying to divide & destroy us.

Accelerationism: the idea inspiring white supremacist killers around the world -Vox”

Expect these same types to infiltrate all of the legitimate protests happening in other cities in America. We are fighting an enemy within.

These “accelerationists” burned down the 5th Police Precinct, our post office, every pharmacy. The Walgreens and CVS within a few blocks of our house are still burning this morning. The grocery stores were all hit. Every bank has been hit. Every liquor store, every gas station. They have guns and accelerants.

When National Guard show up, they disappear into the neighborhoods and have been setting fires. It is a violent game of arsonist wake-a-mole. There is no longer any fire fighting service available – overwhelmed. So neighbors are using garden hoses to put out the fires and save homes. Pictures neighbors are sharing – these are young white men, heavily armed.

According to authorities there are over 10,000 of these “accelerationists” in the city.

St. Paul arrested over 50 people last night. ALL OF THEM were from out of state. The authorities are checking phones of the people they have arrested, doing contact tracing of sorts on these people.

These people are connected to right wing militia style groups with a civil/race war fantasy. They are opportunistically using the legitimate, peaceful George Floyd protests as a cover to actualize their neo-nazi fever dream.

Gov. Walz just said, “If you know where these people are sleeping today, let us know and we will execute warrants.

[Wife’s name] and I were helping the owner of a commercial building up the street – a friend, and two of these guys came up to us. Wanted to know where the free food was being distributed. He gave them an address that was three blocks away. Had no idea what we were talking about – not from here.

[Wife’s name], the girls and I are fine and safe. Exhausted. Angry. We have not really slept in three days. Everyone in Minneapolis/St. Paul is the same.

So, what to do? Our neighborhood group is meeting at the park this afternoon. I think that they will organize our neighborhood watch to patrol, try to spot fires and get them out ASAP.

Major protests are planned for today. They want the other three police officers involved in George Floyd’s murder arrested, they want the MN Attorney General, not the Hennepin County Attorney to manage the case.

They want the MPD disbanded and reformed with many alternative public safety and law enforcement strategies used. But the legitimate protests will end at 8:00 pm.

The Gov. and the mayor are calling in thousands more National Guard Troops. We already had more National Guard troops in the city than ever before.

They are doing a good job but were overwhelmed last night by sheer numbers. Gov. Walz is the highest ranking soldier to have ever served in Congress and led the National Guard – he clearly sees this for what it is and will fight it.

This is now a military operation by the State of Minnesota against alt-right, white nationalists and anarchists that have come into Minneapolis to use the protests against police brutality as cover for their death fantasy.

They are trying to force authorities to use deadly force and “accelerate” the violence.

It is dark friends.

The other side – this morning the neighborhood is out in force helping with the clean up, re-securing businesses.

Massive food distribution at community centers. People taking in neighbors whose homes were destroyed or whose neighborhood was so impacted that it is no longer habitable.

[Wife’s name] was in contact with students, many of whom are refugees from war torn countries, that were hearing explosions and fire and sirens – they were calling her to make sure she was okay.

Today I will garden.”

KNOWITALL's avatar

@janbb I can’t say it’s true or not true to any of those tgeories. I’m not on the WS mailing list and Trump didn’t send out instructions to any of his voters I know.

cheebdragon's avatar

Maybe the ghost of Charles Manson started the riots.~

elbanditoroso's avatar

I don’t see a scenario where Trump would have said “go start riots, boys”.

Rather, the white power crowd, enabled by Trump and his acolytes (remember Charlottesville, VA, where “both sides had good points” according to Trump), has been waiting for something like this to wield their weapons.

Trump is stupid, but not stupid enough to do something overt, like send an email (as @KNOWITALL suggests). Rather, whatever would have happened would have been done subtly, or by phone, or was just based on people waiting for the right moment.

I’d also like to know what percentage of the rioters are churchgoers. But that’s another issue altogether.

Assuming these are white trash white power protestors, which I am, I would ask a different question. how do these white-sponsored riots help Trump get reelected? Anyone with a brain can see what’s going on.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@elbanditoroso These are off to me: The white cop breaking CVS windows in disguise and the white wheelchair lady being beaten.

Demosthenes's avatar

Since we all seem to have our own theories on what’s going on, here’s what I think is happening: I think the original peaceful protests consisted mainly of those angered by George Floyd’s death. When the protests became violent and became more about looting and vandalization, that’s when the actors changed from those angered by Floyd’s death to opportunist rioters, the kind of people who seek out protests in any town regardless of the initial cause and take advantage of them, causing chaos. This isn’t just a conspiracy theory, it’s evidenced by the fact that many of the people arrested for looting and vandalizing in these protests (whether Minneapolis or Oakland) are from out-of-town, even from out-of-state (the mayor of St. Paul said that everyone arrested Friday night was from out-of-state). This seems to be something that both sides are ignoring. The naysayers talk of people destroying their own town and the yeasayers praise the people for venting their frustration, but the evidence shows that those doing the destroying aren’t even residents of the town they’re destroying.

rockfan's avatar

I think Killer Mike explains perfectly the reasons why people feel the need to riot, and also why it’s completely detrimental:

https://youtu.be/rapfJYfPU38

JLeslie's avatar

I don’t think Trump is organizing any of it, I think he ceases on it.

I think the majority of Americans, ALL Americans, are unified in condemning the horrific circumstance of Floyd’s death.

On the Q about what people think about the riots in MN it was the Democrats and liberals who disappointed me most. I think they are being manipulated just as much as Republicans at this point.

No one was really listening to me about WS and ANTIFA, and then suddenly when the news started talking about it then people seem to be agreeing. I don’t know why people can’t see the propaganda moving both political sides. People have left their senses, I just don’t get it. People hate Trump so much they can’t think straight. I’m crucified constantly on the site for trying to explain what’s going on in politics. It’s so frustrating. I’m the Meghan McCain except I’m a Democrat.

Jeruba's avatar

@JLeslie, what does “I think he ceases on it” ^^ mean?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

It’s the Neo-Nazis and Three Percenters that are at the riots.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@Jeruba she means ‘seizes’ on it, like leveraging it for his own political purposes

seawulf575's avatar

I don’t think ignorance, blind hatred and a desire to just run rampant is restricted to one race or another. Idiots come in all colors, sizes, and shapes.

Soubresaut's avatar

The one thing I know is that I do not want riots to overshadow racial disparities at the heart of this issue, or the need to address those disparities meaningfully.

As far as the riots themselves: I think it matters who is causing the riots, and why they are rioting, because I think it affects how the nation as a whole needs to respond. I won’t pretend to know how that response looks in a given situation. It just seems like there is something fundamentally different in how to respond, as a nation, to a riot that is “the language of the unheard,” versus a riot that is an attempt to sabotage or usurp the cause of the unheard.

When it’s a cacophony of all the above colliding, which is at least what it looks like right now, I’m not sure what the needed response to that looks like, either. I hope our national discourse has the nuance needed to make sense of it all. I hope, too, that the heart of the issue isn’t lost in the noise.

JLeslie's avatar

@Jeruba Yes, seizes. Lol. Wrote too quickly.

He pays attention to what is going on and throws gasoline on flames. I myself thought Antifa might be present, so I know if I think it, some republicans have to be thinking it. It’s exactly what Trump did, blamed Antifa, and now it’s a fight against the socialists again. That’s code for a fight against the Democrats.

Then I saw those crazy answers on the Q about supporting violence and fires and destroying property, plus across my Facebook people writing “let it burn” and they did not mean just the one police precinct in MN. To me that is more shocking than my prediction that conservatives would post stories of white people being killed by cops.

I told a black friend of mine that would happen the day after we learned of Floyd’s death and she saw red. I had written I know it happens disproportionately to black people, But she didn’t even read that part at first. I was just saying I know that will happen and I wondered if talking about police brutality might bring on more change, trying to figure how to get change. I only talked to her in private about it. Two days ago I started seeing the posts on Facebook from Republican friends about whites who have been killed by cops.

I completely understand why African Americans want it acknowledged as a race issue, believe me, when people were killed in the mass shooting in a synagogue I was angered people referred to it as a mass shooting in a house of worship.

Overall, my Republican friends were horrified by this murder. They say little things like be more patient for the arrest, which I take issue with, but we (Americans) were united. They still continue to condemn the killing, but now they get to condemn the “leftist” reaction.

People on MSNBC saying how courageous it is for protestors to risk Covid when three weeks ago they condemn protestors for risking Covid. Seriously, I cannot believe what I see across media today, and I mean all types of media.

janbb's avatar

^^ Maybe there are times when it makes sense to stop watching.

CelestialIncognito's avatar

I trust that authority intelligence services- local, state, federal and international- are on it. The findings may not be immediate or revealed for investigative purposes, but our intelligence community is likely on it.

JLeslie's avatar

@janbb Only saw 20 minutes today, I couldn’t agree more. I just talked to a friend in California who said there was another white cop black person death in CA and so there was rioting and curfews, and I didn’t even know about that death. I don’t watch a ton of “news.” Haven’t you noticed on a lot of Q’s I am clueless about current events that are happening.

Meanwhile, I should take a break from fluther and facebook. That I think I will do for a few days.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

It’s happening here where I live, now. Many of my friends were participating in local protests all day today. Peaceful events. When things died down, now there are reports of looting, riots, people coming from out of town and just causing chaos. Businesses are closing and sending people away.
Something isn’t right.

ANef_is_Enuf's avatar

I’m curious to know why there is a murky narrative around who these outsiders are. At first reports were linking them to white supremacist groups, but now those claims have been walked back. Some outlets have gone so far as to say that it was never true.

However, more discussion about it being “far left” extremist and anarchist groups seem to be coming out and now Trump is blaming “antifa” and calling it terrorism.

Everyone I know, left right or center, agrees that what happened to George Floyd was a travesty and is in support of the protests in the ways the best know how to be, save a few fringe examples. This seems awfully organized and the division is convenient, given that most people could agree that what happened was horrendous and needed some kind of restitution. Why isn’t it just as probable that it is both/neither of these groups and rather the goal is to keep us in a state of conflict with each other instead of actually seeing what is happening?

What the hell does this stuff look like to other countries? Because, to me, I don’t follow any mainstream media (I try to get my info from all of it so that I can form my own opinion, but the truth is that the stories that come out are so insanely conflicting that it all reads like sheer propaganda anymore… much as I realize that’s taboo to say.) These conflicting stories aren’t coming from internet conspiracy theorists and YouTube, they’re straight from government officials. And with my own eyes I have seen police wrongfully assaulting peaceful protesters and for two days have been hearing firsthand accounts from people that I know and trust that outsiders are coming in and trashing police vehicles and inciting violence. If it were just the latter happening it might be easy to blame on fringe groups, but the conflicting stories from officials make it difficult to sit with that. It doesn’t add up… at least, not in any of the ways you’d hope it would.

ucme's avatar

Rent-A-Mob

seawulf575's avatar

And now we find that there are bricks being prestaged for the riots. This isn’t outrage about George Floyd anymore, it is about anarchists hijacking it as an excuse to disrupt our society as much as possible.

LadyMarissa's avatar

More likely WS hijacking the protests to blame the protesters so they will be prosecuted…or even better murdered…so they’re no longer relevant!!!

@JLeslie Have you noticed that since the protesters have chosen to protect lone police officers & prevent looting & damage to Target & other stores that there are NO whites to be seen??? They only jump out front when their is chaos needed to fire up the crowd!!!

JLeslie's avatar

@LadyMarissa I do see white people standing in unity with black people in these protests, it’s not like zero white people are being supportive and marching too.

I also see that white people are causing a lot of the problems, and like you said just coming in from nowhere, riling up things and creating havoc and destruction. I am not sure why you are asking me? I already said that in my original post. I just wanting to know about how it is being organized? Who is communicating these plans over the internet and texting and however they coordinate it. It reminds me of terrorist cells around the world, like ISIS.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@JLeslie In our area it was Insta and Twitter this weekend, and a little Facebook.

We had predominantly white protester’s here and it still got a little hot. Js

JLeslie's avatar

@KNOWITALL So, you see the posts telling people to go out and infiltrate the protests and loot and break windows?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@JLeslie Not quite but it’s more of a ‘how to’ not get caught. There are a ton of pages and hashtags based on geographical locations, too. I’d call it tacit approval, as pics are posted on the same accounts of people standing on police cars, etc…

I can’t link as it shows my personal profile unfortunately.

One post is showing a picture of a purported WS at a protest saying “Fire this piece of shit into the sun.”

The actual recommendation is to cover any tattoos or distinguishing marks that may get you identified.

Another says ‘Some of ya’ll aren’t ready to go into violent protests and I think you should prepare better. Masks, glasses, gloves, hoodies, sneakers, backpack, washcloth, cellular data OFF.’

Another “Delete all protest photos off social media, your phone, your cloud. Do it now!”

JLeslie's avatar

@KNOWITALL Wow. Ok, I don’t see any of that on my facebook. Thank you.

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