Do you think the second wave of Covid19 will peak before, or after the November election?

Oh, right before the election I imagine.

The second wave has not happened and may not ever happen. The first has not even run its course yet.

Well, it’s never going to “run its course.” There will always be someone who hasn’t gotten it and hasn’t developed an immunity to it.

Second wave?
You never left the first one.

It depends on how stupid people are.

This whole “don’t shut the economy again” is bullshit. If it is bad and people start dying in the office, the economy will shut down because people won’t be able to go to work.

Right now this is being played minute-by-minute, there is no comprehensive plan.

During the USA/Canadian election in November.

I don’t think the first wave will be done before November. Second wave next February maybe later.

I’ll say before. I think we’ll see it really coming on before Aug. 1st. The government will act like they did when the whole thing started: Like a bunch of turkeys in the rain.

I think the second “peak“ will be August/September, and won’t be as high as the last one. Restrictions will be reinstated or tightened up in some places having milked the summer months for sales tax revenue.

If you want to see a lot of illness and death widespread in the US it will be January and February. So, if Biden wins It will be just as he’s starting. Holiday travel and combined flu and covid, although flu will be much less than last year if I’m guessing, because a significant number of people are being more cautious.

“It depends on how stupid people are.”
– Uh oh.

The only second wave will be when the hairdressers reopen.

‘It depends on how stupid people are” News is full of people social distancing right now~

There is no second wave
There is only the normal progress of the virus, until like all viruses, .5 to .75 of the population has been exposed and has antibodies.
If there is a “second wave” it will only be because the first wave was interrupted. Until there is a vaccine the virus will do what it does. It’s effects will merely Be stretched out over a longer period by mitigation. But without a vaccine the results add up the same.

If 1000 people want to get into a stadium, you can have a big gate and let them all in at once, or you can have a little gate and let them in one at a time
Eventually they will all be in the stadium. Just a matter of how long it takes

@josie The little gate is for more than one reason. To protect those most vulnerable, to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed, and to buy some time to learn better treatments and maybe a vaccine.

@JLeslie
The most vulnerable should certainly be cautious. Compromised people should not be riding the subway. Then again they should not in any case.
Hospitals, at least in my area, have improved their respiratory care capabilities and say they can handle an increase in cases.
Better treatments or vaccine- open ended. If next month then great. If 2022 a generation of kids and grandkids won’t have a job because their parents and grandparents were scared.

I wonder what the world would be like if my grandparents, confronted with Hitler, had decided they were scared and should hide in the basement until he “went away”

Scared? Yeah scared of freaking dying of a shitty virus, so @Josie what should be done expose fucking everyone, what doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger type thing?
Are we supposed to compare a virus that doesn’t have sides and infects everyone that it comes in contact with to Hitler?

Well, I guess that was sort of the point I was trying to make.

Everytime you get in a car, an airplane, everytime you go to the hospital, or the bank for that matter you take a risk.

But in this case, if you refuse the risk the next two generations might be unemployed.

If you are a Boomer, that thought won’t bother you. That generation is narcissistic.
Otherwise, do what you do.

Your line of thinking just truly scares me.

Funny

I was thinking the same thing about your opinion.
Emotional. Impulsive. Self-serving. Non-reasoned. Etc

Pretty scary

Well at least we agree on something.

@josie I’m not promoting shutting down the country. I’m talking about mask use and distancing indoors within reason, and keeping high touch areas cleaner in public places. Shutting down where outbreaks are getting out of control or difficult to handle in hospitals.

It’s not an either or. People seem to think the choices are lockdown and wear masks, or accept people will get sick so don’t bother with masks and any ore station and let the virus run wild through the population. There is a middle ground. There are countries that never shut down businesses because they implemented masks immediately. Taiwan is one example, here’s a short video https://youtu.be/iiUHhHcxHVM

Personally, I think we could have stamped it out if we had been cautious soon enough when it was first here, but that’s probably impossible now with how widespread it is and how Americans are. I figure it’s endemic for us now.

Everyone WILL be exposed, sooner or later @Tropical_Willie.
If there is a “Second wave” it will hit when people are spending more time locked inside their houses rather than being out doors.

@Dutchess_III Not everyone was exposed to Polio, they made efforts to not be exposed when Polio was coming through an area. Trying to avoid a virus is not a new thing. Most states are trying to keep elderly citizens in long term care from being exposed at this point. South Korea and Taiwan have used masks, contact tracing, and quarantine to keep the population from being exposed.

It’s as easy to catch as the common cold. And it has a 98% survival rate. They are just trying to slow it down, not stop it all together.
Also, Polio was much harder to contract than Covid 19 is. ”Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth.[1] It may also be spread by food or water containing human feces and less commonly from infected saliva.” Source Covid 19 can be caught by a person breathing on another person, or by touching something an infected person has touched. Just like the common cold.

@Dutchess_III Granted I should have used another illness that is typically contracted through air and touch, but it still does not change that some countries have controlled the virus down to a very dull roar.

I’m not disputing that. I am saying that, short of a vaccine, everyone is going to get it sooner or later, just like everyone catches a cold sooner or later.
Cases in my county are dropping… not that we ever had that many to begin with. Our governor did a good job.

Certain states did a good job but over all the us will hit a 120,000 dead by the end of today,so excuse me if I don’t jump up and down with joy.
The us has the highest cases of dead people from Covid19 in the entire world, countries that have bigger populations don’t come close to that number of dead.
Well Trump should be proud the US is number 1.

You could take a look at the graph of daily cases and see how bungled the colonial response has been, especially compared to, for example, the best country in the world, Germany.

Wow. Kansas stats: 247 deaths, 676 recovered. But I bet a few thousand people picked it up before it even became a thing, and quietly recovered at home without being tested.

@Dutchess_III Everyone gets a cold because there are so many rhinoviruses floating around (you probably know that) AND a lot of people don’t stay home when they have a cold. They go out and infect others. This is just one particular coronavirus. Once it hits 50% it will slow down IF immunity is built after having it. At about 80% it will be at herd immunity and not be able to move through the population as easily. Just like there are some people who never had chicken pox or mumps (before vaccinations). Although possibly some people were a symptomatic and didn’t know it.

Herd immunity takes a long time though. Much longer than what people seem to be thinking. Even with vaccinations, and over 90% immunity in our population we have small breakouts of measles and pertussis now and then.

@Dutchess_III “Sooner or later !” could take five to six years or more with social distancing, which is done to give the hospitals a chance and not have them send people to die in the corner because they run out of beds. As of today 0.6% (less than one percent) of the population had been diagnosed with COVID-19. To have “herd immunity” you need 60% to 75% to have had the virus or vaccinations.

I understand that @Tropical_Willie. That’s what we’re aiming for, is to flatten the curve. Kansas has been pretty successful with it.