(NSFW) What are the limits for what a woman is allowed to do with her body?

Whatever the market will allow.

Remember Madonna? She was the Cardi B of the past.
Artists make people uncomfortable because they don’t conform.

You honestly shouldn’t even bother listening to these people (the critics). We’re used to seeing males abuse money and power, so it upsets people when it’s a woman because we’re used to seeing them be the oppressed instead of the free person that doesn’t have to live by the rules.

If a woman is acting of their own free will and harming nobody, then she should be allowed to do whatever she wants with her own body. Unfortunately, however, there are a lot of people in the world who have trouble separating the notions of dislike, disapproval, denunciation, and disparagement. It is possible to dislike something without disapproving of it, to disapprove of something without denouncing it, and to denounce something without disparaging it. But for many people, their sense of personal displeasure and moral outrage are allowed to mix freely and without thought.

Often, it’s a single moment where a lot of people suddenly become aware of someone they weren’t before, and it blows a bunch of minds at once. Rap wasn’t a moral panic in white America until grownups realized the kids were already sold on it. Cardi B was huge before this, but still a lot of people weren’t aware of her. Something as meme worthy as this song has the power to make everyone aware of her, and boom she’s already a big star, even if you just found out about her and can’t deal with the lyrics. So people freak out. It’s like they’re behind the times and everyone is passing them by and they just heard this song and don’t even know how enjoy it yet. So to protect themselves, and their sense of identity and place in the world, they take a big shit.

I guess I have “taken a big shit”, because I will never enjoy a song like that.

@anniereborn Yeah to be honest with you, my theory is that if this song had been released when we weren’t in a pandemic and things were all open, no body would have thought twice about this song. It would be played at clubs where no one is really listening.

Not sure very many people truly enjoy the song, just that it has a beat and you can dance to it.

Shock for publicity and career. It works.
Madonna did it. Lady Gaga did it. Plenty of other have done it. Cardi B is doing it now.

For you younguns’.... it turns out you were the result of your parents doing the same thing.

The one thing a woman cannot do – in a number of states, is easily get an abortion.

@anniereborn There’s a difference between disliking a song and taking to the internet to call someone a whore. You get that, right?

@SavoirFaire Yes, that was a response to Smashley. I should have tagged them.

@anniereborn I get that, but I don’t think that @Smashley was saying that merely not enjoying the song is objectionable. He was talking about people who say bad things about Cardi B because they don’t enjoy the song. At least, that was my interpretation.

Just saying that one part of the response is a gut reaction of the feeling out being of sync with society. Trying to tear down and delegitimize the artist is a very common reaction. The bit about not giving the song a chance was just an acknowledgement that it’s hard to enjoy new things on first listen, and you have to be willing to try to learn to groove sometimes. By all means, dislike the song… but maybe think long and hard about why you choose to voice it on a public forum.

@Smashley I brought it up on a public forum because someone posed a question regarding it?

@anniereborn Again, @Smashley is not talking about your response. In fact, he couldn’t be since his first answer was posted before your first response, and his second answer was just a clarification of what his first answer was saying. He was talking about people who say terrible and insulting things, which you haven’t done. It’s unclear why you think he was talking about you, or why you think any of his answers implicate your personal views of the song.

I liked Nine Inch Nails’ (NSFW) Closer back in the day. I think Reznor is a significantly more talented artist, but those are my personal tastes and I understand that others will certainly disagree (you’re wrong). Anyways, the point is there’s nothing new about the existence of shocking music and music videos. I guess the novelty here is that the graphic celebration of sexuality is from a female’s perspective?

As @SavoirFaire said (to paraphrase): women can do what they want with their bodies if they’re not hurting anyone.