Are you convinced Trump had Covid-19?

I subscribe to the first, if any; but I would not be astonished if there were more than such a simple deception at work here.

@Jeruba Thanks for being honest. I am not surprised. So you think there is a conspiracy involving dozens, if not hundreds of people. Some of these people are undoubtedly “deep state”; therefore the truth will come out soon.

I think he did, But I really wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out to be a political stunt to get the sympathy of voters.

@crazyguy, you gave two choices. I picked one, qualifying that by saying I wouldn’t be surprised if the truth were other than that.

You can ascribe to me all the theories you want, but let’s not confuse them with what I say on my own behalf.

None the worse for wear? He looked like he was gasping for breath today. Plus they have him on steroids. Steroids will make you feel really great at first, but it’s an effect that wears off before long.

@Jeruba My apologies for being a little confused by your wordiness.

@kritiper The political stunt would require the continued silence of dozens, if not hundreds of people, to succeed until Election Day.

No, tho’ seeing him almost steel himself to pose after his return to the White House and appear short of breath, yeah, maybe. Or maybe he’s just in such bad shape those stairs did him in? In any case, if he had it for real, he still has it. It didn’t just magically go away. Remember, he’s on a seriously heavy dose of meds according to even his own doctor. Meds not recommended for anyone without a serious case, another plus in the column for it being for real and not just show.

@crazyguy I wouldn’t bet on it…

@AlaskaTundrea I agree he is taking meds that I would not take lightly. However, his medical team cleared his discharge from the hospital. Knowing many doctors with hospital practices, I know how much bitching the doctors do when insurance companies force early discharges of patients. In this case, there was no financial pressure. The only pressure was POTUS insisting he is well enough.

We shall know soon enough.

@kritiper You wouldn’t bet on what?

I’m on the fence.
A quick, miraculous recovery, only strengthens the conspiracy theory…
Trump fits several of the high risk factors, and is in terrible shape. Such a fast recovery isn’t common, even for a cold….

Add in the factt Trump is a habitual liar, and there is plausible denial, of his claim.

@MrGrimm888 If Trump thought he would pick up sympathy votes in greater numbers than he would lose by looking stupid for his earlier posturing about covid-19, he may conjure up a complicated scheme that will probably unravel long before the election. Given the unlikely nature of that scenario, I think he really caught covid-19. For the average senior over 70, the chances of recovery are over 94%. For somebody like Trump, who is only 74, and not 85, the chances are somewhat better. The facts of his obesity and high cholesterol are offset by the better care he gets as POTUS.

I’m pretty sure ne could fake the symptoms if he wanted to, so I’m not sure,

Option 3:
He still has it, and decided to return to the white house for appearance reasons, recklessly endangering everyone around him.
There is video of him still having trouble breathing.

I am convinced that he tested positive, and I am convinced that justice is occasionally unavoidable.

Option 3 per @ragingloli. He has it, bad or not, and is doing as much as possible to downplay it.

If he was testing positive on Friday, then technically he still has it. I was thinking he had it, but looking at his quick, miraculous recovery and frolicking around without a mask on, I am wondering what the deal is.

I think it’s terrible he is saying things like “don’t live in fear of it and don’t be dominated by it.” I wonder if the positive rate is going to go up now, that many people will think it’s nothing more than a bad cold.

@YARNLADY And the test results?

@ragingloli According to Dr Fauci, a typical covid patient is contagious for a few days after the onset of symptoms. Since Trump’s symptoms first appeared on Friday, today is the fourth day. He may still be mildly contagious.

@dabbler Even at the risk of losing his life?

@jca2 According to Dr Fauci, a typical covid patient is contagious for a few days after the onset of symptoms. Since Trump’s symptoms first appeared on Friday, today is the fourth day. He may still be mildly contagious. If the therapeutics Trump received get FDA approval in the next few weeks, and if his recovery is not short-circuited it may be nothing more than a bad cold.

@crazyguy: When I said “I wonder if the positive rate is going to go up now, that many people will think it’s nothing more than a bad cold” I meant that many people will think the virus is nothing more than a bad cold. I didn’t meant that Trump had nothing more than a bad cold.

So people are going to think this is something easy to recover from, meanwhile, many die in hospitals, on respirators.

@jca2 Thanks for clarifying. I thought that is what I understood and responded to. However, looking back at my response I can see possible confusion. I should restate my response:

If the disease can indeed be cured by a few therapeutics, and there is no remission, then perhaps the disease itself is not much worse than a bad cold.

@crazyguy – “Even at the risk of losing his life?”

This assumes that Trump is a rational thinker who carefully considers the potential consequences before he acts.

I think he did, otherwise I don’t see why all the people around him would report testing positive as well. But it sure turned into a success story. He gets COVID and five days later, he’s cured and in perfect health. And if he wanted to show people that COVID was nothing to worry about, pretending to have it and be cured of it quickly would be the way to do it.

I’m not saying that he doesn’t have it. Just that it seems littered with lots of scattered details.

I could doubt the Pres, his doctor, the lab technician—maybe even my own testing I could doubt as a false positive but your question shows a predisposition to be contentious

@Demosthenes In other words you are implying a conspiracy with dozens, if not hundreds of participants, some of whom are undoubtedly Deep State.

@MrGrimm888 “Just that it seems littered with lots of scattered details”. It seems I have no idea what you mean.

@LogicHead I am not sure if that is your excuse for not venturing your opinion, or not.

@crazyguy .
There was a lot of confusion.
Trump saying one thing. His doctor unable to provide stable answers.
Both. Backsliding , and giving different answers….

You’re right. I don’t/can’t know what I’m talking about, with SO much confection…..
That’s my point…..

@MrGrimm888 I agree the information release was chaotic, however, I am convinced of the following:

1. Trump tested positive upon his return from NJ.
2. Earlier in the day, he had tested negative. He was already infected, but the virus count was too low to be picked up.
3. His symptoms started promptly.
4. When he was airlifted to the hospital, he was relatively stable, probably because of the Regeneron medication.
5. Medication administered at the hospital was immediately effective (there is data today from Gilead that shows Remdesivir cuts down hospital stays by FIVE days).
6. Given the 3–6 day incubation period, Trump was probably infected between Sep 26 and Sep 28.

And now the world is convinced that the fool has been instrumental in the conversion of the White House to the nation’s Covid spa. I suppose it only fitting that Trump’s place be the headquarters for the disease.

First off. Edit. I meant to say “conflicting” info. But. I didn’t have my contact lenses in. My bad.

In addition. I restate, I don’t know what to believe.

@MrGrimm888 I figured that. Based on my analysis above, I have done some digging into the types of tests you can do for covid-19. I would love to have @caravanfan comment on this, but I see he has not been part of this thread.

The Abbott quick test can miss small amounts of virus. The PCR test does not. Since Trump is tested almost every day, I think we have to assume that he takes the quick test. So it is quite possible that his infection was not picked up until he had symptoms and was then tested with a PCR test.

The mystery is solved. The Trump family has extensive investments in both Regeneron and it’s parent company.
The whole FAKE covid thing was to create a run on the Regeneron “miracle cure” and make more money for the greedy Trumps.

@YARNLADY Mighty big conspiracy with a lot of unraveling possibilities, just for a few bucks.