How do you think Biden performed in his first month?
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February 22nd, 2021
A month is a relatively short time. Basically all a President does in his/her first thirty days is undo the policies s/he disagrees most.
That is exactly what Biden did. Here is the net effect of what he did:
1. He left unfinished sections of the WALL, for which materials were on site, and equipment was mobilized to put up the materials. He left holes in the wall near Nogales, Arizona. Talk about an open invitation!
2. He has all but abdicated to Iran. He gave up any leverage he had in the negotiations. Iran has the upper hand now.
3. He is pushing the COVID Relief Bill, most of which has nothing to do with covid.
4. He has yet to criticize the obvious cover-up by Andy Cuomo.
So I think he has been admirably successful in guaranteeing that the Democrats will no longer control the House or the Senate in 2022. What do you think?
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As well as can be expected
54.7% approval rating according to FiveThirtyEight
But he might be boring, because he didn’t piss off all of our allies.
The Democrats control your voice (social media bans, cancel culture, mainstream and most cable media) can punish you, and can even control your vote.
There will be no more tolerance dissent—by 2022 we will be an autocracy, dependent on whatever the government deals to us, and our enemies will have the upper hand,
The best we can hope for is that some good can come of the Democrat party. Or some better leaders from it,
@Yellowdog It’s the “Democratic” party, and members are “Democrats.” It’s not the “Democrat” party. It’s disrespectful and only right wing jerks use that term.
OK sorry, I didn’t know that.
A ‘Republican’ is of the Republican party. I used the same rule for Democrats, But I’ll remember Democrats belong to the Democratic party.
So far, I’ve mostly heard of things I rather approve of.
FWIW, Gallup has Biden’s current approval rating at 56%. (Trump’s approval rating is at 34%, and never reached even 50%.)
Biden has restored calm to the White House. He speaks when he has something to say and then he talks sense. It makes refreshing change from the unpresidential and hysterical tweets of the last four years.
So your basic argument is that Biden isn’t doing too well because he had to spent his first month in power cleaning up after and undoing all of Trumps fuck ups?
I’d agree with that.
Considering that 3 of the 4 points you listed are actually positives in my book, he is doing pretty well so far.
In addition to agreeing with loli on the first three points, He undid a lot of of what Trump did. like rejoining WHO and Paris climate group. I think he is doing okay.
@ragingloli Just curious. Which one of my four points did you agree with?
@LostInParadise I seriously think rejoining WHO and the Paris climate group are huge mistakes. The Who is pro-China, the Paris group has accomplished zer and I expect them to continue on that same path.
@Lightlyseared Like I stated clearly, that is all a President can do in a month: “Basically all a President does in his/her first thirty days is undo the policies s/he disagrees most.” So, um, NO, that is not my pointy at all. I listed out the effects of Biden’s early actions. I suggest you do the same.
@flutherother Biden is ESTABLISHMENT all the way – he will never knowingly ruffle anybody’s feathers, and that is a sure way of accomplishing nothing at all.
@Zaku So let me list out the things you should have a problem with (again!)
1. If Biden does not believe in the WALL, the least he can do is end the project in a reasonable way.
2. Do not give Iran an indication of his desperation to revive the deal.
3. Push those provisions of the COVID Relief Bill that have something to do with COVID.
4. On the Cuomo matter, apologize for his earlier glowing comments.
In other words, COME ON MAN, get real.
@Yellowdog You are absolutely correct. Shades of McCarthyism are starting to seep into the nation’s fabric. SCARY!
Very acceptable performance.
I’m only going to say one thing (which for some stupid reason seems to need to be repeated often) – it is not a Covid relief bill. It is an omnibus spending bill (the kind of which Congress does nearly every year) that includes Covid relief. If you understand what an omnibus bill is (and, evidently, Trumpublicans do not) then you’ll understand why there are things in there that have nothing to do with Covid relief.
@kritiper I believe you are one of the most intelligent posters here. So I’ll ask you to explain to me (please pretend that I know zero) how a higher minimum wage is consistent with opening the border? Remember that opening the border brings in tens of thousands of basically unskilled workers who will work for a pittance.
@Darth_Algar You are a hard one to figure out. I know that you were and are anti-Republican. Now I am beginning to think you are anti-Democrats as well; so are you Antifa?
@crazyguy In your question to @kritiper, I would say unskilled workers that make lower wages and still buy products and pay taxes on food, and utilities and gas and other daily items is better than replacing them with machines that do none of that. I just recently saw this machine that can pretty much replace a person with a forklift and replace several factory workers. The claim is that it will prevent injury to workers. Yes, because there will be fewer workers. People worry about illegal taking jobs that most Americans don’t want to do in the first place and waste time an effort fighting immigrants getting jobs when it’s the automated industry that is really taking jobs.
@crazyguy “So let me list out the things you should have a problem with (again!)”
“1. If Biden does not believe in the WALL, the least he can do is end the project in a reasonable way.”
– Since I and many others think much of the “WALL” does more harm than good, I have no sense of great urgency about it, and it seems to me that the most reasonable way to end the project would be to have a competent impartial team re-assess what’s good and bad about what’s in place, and either complete or remove the parts that are there, sell off the unneeded materials, etc. Is that not what’s going to be done?
“2. Do not give Iran an indication of his desperation to revive the deal.”
– Wanting to have a nuclear weapons agreement with Iran seems like a good thing to me. I have seen no credible information that your fears or characterization of Iran have any basis in truth. If you have an intelligent article about the situation, I might find time to read it at some point.
“3. Push those provisions of the COVID Relief Bill that have something to do with COVID.”
– Many Americans and communities are in desperate need of financial assistance due to the side-effects of the pandemic. I see no good reason not to address that, and my sources put popular support for Biden’s COVID response at about 67%, and the relief plan at amost 70%, 78% supporting the $1400 additional stimulus check.
“4. On the Cuomo matter, apologize for his earlier glowing comments.”
– What do you mean by “the Cuomo matter”?
@crazyguy The border can’t be effectively closed. Along one side there is the Rio Grande. At another point is a indian reservation that extends north and south of the border and those people do not recognize the governments or either Mexico or the United States, and no body can divide their land with some fence. And the people who want to pass through, pass through.
A minimum wage increase has it’s drawbacks. If you raise the rate for some, sooner or later all prices have to go up. It’s basic Economics 101.
People who want to allow unfettered access to The United States need to get their heads out of their butts because the resources here (in the US) are becoming more and more scarce.
People also need to get their heads out of their butts about continuing to have more and more children!
Republican.
Democratic.
Antifa!
Your powers of deduction are hilarious.
As far as the wall goes, what happened to “Mexico is going to pay for the wall?”
@Zaku 1. WALL: What was done was a FULL STOP. Sections of wall already assembled on the ground were abandoned in place.
2. IRAN: See https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/biden-squanders-leverage-trump-stockpiled-iran-pursuit-defective-nuclear-deal-ncna1258577
3. COVID RELIEF: Yes, giveaways are popular, so what’s new? However, most of the $1.9 trillion goes to pet Democrat spending priorities, not linked to covid at all. From the linked article, “Yet we wonder how much public support there’d be if Americans understood that most of the blowout is a list of longtime Democratic spending priorities flying under the false flag of Covid-19 relief.”
See
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-non-covid-spending-blowout-11613937485
4. CUOMO MATTER: Andrew Cuomo made the unfortunate decision at the beginning of the pandemic to force nursing homes to accept covid-positive patients in the interest of freeing up hospital space. As you can well imagine, the introduction of covid into nursing homes had deadly consequences.
Well, Cuomo took it upon himself two understate nursing home deaths, That is the Cuomo matter.
@crazyguy What does your above statement have to do with Biden’s Performance ? ?
@kritiper Since the border cannot be “effectively closed” shall we just put out the WELCOME mat?
On the minimum wager my question was: how does it square with an influx of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of illegal immigrants?
@Pandora Automation is inevitable, unless you choose to bury your head in the sand. HOWEVER, the loss of jobs at the lower levels to illegal immigrants is avoidable.
So you are going to stick with the myth that illegal immigrants, who don’t mind working real hard, are content to stay in jobs that self-respecting Americans don’t want? I hate to disillusion you, but have you checked out the construction field lately?
@raum My post does make it appear that my logic went: If not a Republican or a Democrat, then @Darth_Algar must be ANTIFA. Good catch.
However, I did have other clues from other posts by @Darth_Algar that I should have also mentioned.
@crazyguy No. We do need effective control on the border but a fence just isn’t the answer. Some people need to be let in to do the jobs that no one else will do. Other than that, the gun emplacements, snipers, and barbed wire of the Berlin Wall would work very nicely, at a reduced cost. (Harsh, I know, but effective.)
Minimum wage will work with those from south of the border because they will accept it or stay home.
I was never against Trump’s wall. I always just said, “If you can build it, build it.” But, as I said earlier, it isn’t possible.
@crazyguy I know what you want. You want to have your cake and eat it, too.
@crazyguy What does your above statements have to do with Biden’s Performance ? ?
You just keep giving Trumpisms and not how Biden performed.
Biden is doing great! He’s not a sociopath thank goodness. He and his voters ejected trump out of the WH. That’s more than enough for me.
And it’s just icing on the cake when sore loser trump and his sore loser minions are still bawling and whining about their loss!
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Your problem is that you have this weird polar binary that you expect everyone to fall neatly along and when they don’t you can’t process it.
@kritiper I am confused. First you said:
“The border can’t be effectively closed. Along one side there is the Rio Grande. At another point is a indian reservation that extends north and south of the border and those people do not recognize the governments or either Mexico or the United States, and no body can divide their land with some fence. And the people who want to pass through, pass through.”
Now you say: “We do need effective control on the border but a fence just isn’t the answer. Some people need to be let in to do the jobs that no one else will do. Other than that, the gun emplacements, snipers, and barbed wire of the Berlin Wall would work very nicely, at a reduced cost. ” Now you also say: ” I was never against Trump’s wall. ” in spite of saying earlier
So are you now saying that effective control of the border is possible? In spite of saying before that Biden’s performance, which has included laying out the welcome mat for illegal immigrants, was VERY ACCEPTABLE?
By the way how exactly do you plan to ensure that the people you “let into do the jobs that no one else will do” will do only those jobs?
@mazingerz88 What I love about Democrats is that they close their eyes to any wrongs committed by Democrats. Talk about being partisan!
^^Yeah. And there’s a reason why so called Republicans are now pathetic minions of sociopath trump.
@crazyguy Cuomo is being accused of underreporting Covid deaths in Nursing homes. Florida leadership was being accused of also underreporting deaths in all of Florida. And I do recall Trump claiming that NYC and other states were overreporting Covid deaths to get more money. And hospitals were also overreporting deaths and claiming many non-covid deaths as covid deaths. Republicans want it both ways. It seems only they can decide what is a covid death and what is not and what is truth or should I say alternative facts. Dems do often hold other Dems accountable and not action them for voting for the truth. Just because you say Dems don’t hold other Dems accountable doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. And just because we won’t bury our own on crazy stories that extreme right-wing parties come up with, doesn’t mean we jump every time some Republican says to jump. Like the whole stealing of the election with absolutely no proof.
Especially when we got to see Trumps many wrongs play out in real time and live and yet the Republicans bury their head in the sand and blame anyone but him.
@crazyguy , Biden, like all presidential candidates, made promises of what he would do. Depending on what you thought of them and the likelihood that they would be fulfilled, you could vote for or against him. A majority of the country liked what they heard from Biden, and he is obligated to deliver on what he promised. Ultimately, that is how Biden will be judged and, by that standard, he is so far doing okay.
@crazyguy DUDE! Unfortunately, the world is not a perfect place and there are no perfect answers. Play Devil’s Advocate if you will, but I find your questions almost impossible to answer since you only seek perfect answers.
Oh, and I forgot to add: @crazyguy, for the record – I am very much a card-carrying Democrat. And I make no bones about it.
@kritiper I only expect well-argued and well-supported answers whether they agree with my viewpoint or not. They would be perfect if they made sense,
@Pandora What you are basically saying is that whatever Cuomo did in NY was commonplace, and, therefore, his fee should not be held to the fire. Correct?
@mazingerz88 Deflection, my friend, will only get you a little ways. Eventually, when Cuomo faces the music, you will have to admit that something is rotten in the state of Denmark>
@crazyguy . . .doth protest too much, methinks . . . .
You’re wasting your time ragging about Cuomo. He will face judgement at the polls. It is certainly not Biden’s job to “punish” Cuomo, and if you lived here you might understand that. As it is, if Cuomo made any mistakes, they are nothing compared to the national fkup of Trump’s half million corpses.
@crazyguy , The article you referenced says that things are better than under Trump. I say that is a good start. This looks like more than a month’s worth of work.
I think a better comparison, which would require some research, is a comparison between Trump’s first 30 days vs. Biden’s first 30 days.
@crazyguy Not at all what I’m saying and you know that. I’m saying you want us to jump at everything you suddenly seem concerned about after years of showing that these are things you guys really don’t give a sh-t about. Everyone knows your concerns are false or you wouldn’t try so hard to spin it when the ugly truth is in your faces. Like right to lifers who are so concern about fetuses but okay with killing people. Or people who claim they are anti rape, but lets save the white young male rapist who has a future ahead of him and wouldn’t have been able to rape that girl because she got drunk so it’s her fault. She’s the slut. Or the young girl who is made to marry her rapist so he can avoid jail. Or the republicans who say they are anti police state but it’s the victims fault he got killed in his back yard because the cop thought it was the guy they were looking for. So please. Before you have us remove the dust from our eyes remove the plank from your own.
@Pandora What I was responding to was your comparison of what Cuomo did in NY with what happ[ened in Florida and the rest of the nation. However, there is a difference: Cuomo deliberately under-reported and then covered up that fact. As far as I know, nobody else has been accused of that.
@jca2 I was not comparing Biden’s performance to anybody else’s. I was just trying to gauge his actions, and their possible impact on the 2022 and 2024 elections.
@LostInParadise The question did not try to draw any comparisons. It just tried to gauge the effects of Biden’s actions, and judge their impact on future elections.
Biden’s reaction to Cuomo’s behavior won’t cost him a single vote in 2024. Americans cannot remember what happened a week ago, let alone 4 years later.
@crazyguy There is this and more than one report that Florida was undercounting covid results. And so many politicians that said it was no worse than the flu months after they knew better and who actually pushed it to be some sort of conspiracy nonsense and that masks don’t help. They did worse than just underreporting. They lie to the public about a public health crisis because they couldn’t handle the inconvenience to their political future.
@Pandora I read your link. Seems to me like Rebekah Jones was a disgruntled employee. In the case of Cuomo, his own Chief odf Staff, spilled the beans. Hardly the same.
“I read your link. Seems to me like Rebekah Jones was a disgruntled employee. In the case of Cuomo, his own Chief odf Staff, spilled the beans. Hardly the same.” deflect much!
Your ASSUMPTION of a disgruntled employee is the answer ? ?
Why do ask questions about things and your opinion is the sole answer ?
@Tropical_Willie Exactly.
@crazyguy Yes, I got it. If the complaint is against a dem then it’s obviously true. If the complaint is against republicans there’s a motive behind it so it’s not true. Well, I clearly see your motive. So do many on Fluther.
@Pandora Actually, I think the recent news is pointing out Democrats’ hypocrisy.
1. When Kavanaugh was being attacked for an alleged sexual indiscretion that supposedly happened decades ago, Democrats were jumping up and down claiming “of course we believe Ford”. The woman should always be believed. Now that a Democratic darling is being accuse, the Democrats refuse to believe the woman.
2. When we launched air strikes against Syria, prominent Democrats were against it. Now, Biden does it, and we hear a deafening silence.
@crazyguy: If, in #1, you’re referring to Cuomo, I don’t believe I’ve heard any government officials say they don’t believe the woman. I’ve heard statements like “it’s troubling” and Mayor DiBlasio (NYC Mayor) is calling for an investigation of it. With #2, the bombing is very new news and I’m sure there will be many discussions on it in the coming days.
@jca2 You are welcome to give Democratic politicians the benefit of the doubt. BUT the fact is that when Christine Ford made her allegations, the same Democrats jumped in support of her from Day 1. Same thing on #2. Biden did not wait a day or longer before criticizing the decision made by the previous administration.
@Pandora From your link, Gillibrand is quoted as saying: ” I have not read her allegations or her post, but as I said everyone has a right to come forward to speak their truth and be heard and it’s also true for Governor Cuomo.”
She promised to read Boylan’s essay on Medium; in the case of Kavanaugh she made up her mind even before she read anything! See
https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/gillibrand-senate-speech-brett-kavanaugh-video.html
@crazyguy Gillibrand asked that he withdraw his nomination because the Republicans wanted to push it through without an investigation. So when you are given no choice to investigate then the only option is for the candidate to withdraw. And the bigger difference is a Judge sits for life and the people don’t decide if he’s worthy of the position. It is damn near impossible to remove a judge once he has the job. Gillibrand tweets And exactly what was the rush to confirm Kavanaugh, if not perhaps to cover up his past misdeeds? And no matter what she said about Kavanaugh it also doesn’t change the fact that Republicans do not hold each other to account for their horrible misdeeds. They just look the other way and run from reporters or stand up for the lies the person told. Dems avoid as well but they don’t punish those who stand up against the accused Dem. But again. I believe you know this. But for some reason, you feel the need to try to convince people that when Republicans only pee holy water and dems pee devil water, when they just do regular piss.
@Pandora How can you pursue an investigation of an alleged incident that allegedly happened about 30 years ago on some unspecified date? How much investigation is enough? If the alleged facts turn out to be true they would prove that an 18 or 19-year old tried to have sex with an inebriated female who apparently was willing to live dangerously. Is that enough grounds to derail somebody’s career?
In the meantime, let us look at the allegations against Cuomo. The differences as I see them:
1. More recent, adult behavior.
2. Use of the boss-underling power dynamic.
3. Allegation corroborated by others.
^^^^^^^ @crazyguy what does this have to do with Biden’s first month? ^^^^^^^
And Cuomo isn’t nominated for Supreme Court.
@crazyguy: What of what Cuomo is accused of was corroborated by others? I read a statement where the alleged witnesses said they didn’t see any bad behavior.
@jca2 If that is the stance you took on the Kavanaugh allegations, you are consistent. If not, please ask yourself why.
@crazyguy: I’m leery of any time someone comes forth with an accusation decades after the alleged event(s) occurred. I didn’t pay much attention to the Kavanaugh allegations as I know there were a lot of testimonies and details, but I felt then, as I do now, that it should be investigated before anyone should render judgement.
@jca2 I agree 100% that investigation is warranted in most such cases. However, since most sexual harassment takes place out of sight and out of the hearing of any potential witnesses, investigation is very difficult. In the particular case of Kavanaugh, the allegation was that another person was in the room when Kavanaugh allegedly tried his deed. However, that person either denied the allegation or refused to co-operate (I no longer remember the details). However, I do recall the almost unanimous support that his accuser received from the Democrats. That is why the relative silence of most Democrats about the Cuomo allegations is rather deafening.
@crazyguy: If the Cuomo investigation shows he engaged in some impropriety, you will undoubtedly see more Dems speak out against Cuomo and call for his resignation. With the Kavanaugh investigation, I don’t recall if a lot of Republicans were speaking out against Kavanaugh.
Biden is trying. Keep reaching for the stars Biden!
@idktimmyturner Until such time as the Progressives decide you are not catching any stars.
@crazyguy Figure of speech. Love the help though! I need a lot of it
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