Is closing the Southern border humane?

The ONLY humane action. If was closed we would NOT ever have this crisis which our country cannot handle. Nobody has a “right” to enter another country without permission.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. And since there is no simple answer, we gotta do what we gotta do. No exceptions.

It only insures that the suffering stays south, and doesn’t move north. But the real inhumanity goes on regardless.

Millions of people and thousands of families are being terrorized and scattered by narco gangs battling for territory. Huge profits from the US drug trade allow crime lords to take over communities and entire states throughout Mexico and Latin America. Where law and order have broken down people who want honest work decent lives are trying to escape.

The truth behind all the partisan shit talking about an “immigration crisis” is one stark fact no one wants to admit : American drug addiction and substance abuse has grown to the point where it can distort economies and undermine governments, no matter what lines are drawn on the map. Closing the border is like changing the locks on a burning building.

No. But you already know this.

We create the conditions that displace people, then close the door or criminalize them for fleeing the mess we created.

The least you (@crazyguy) can do now is to acknowledge the bipartisan support for such madness. You don’t need to keep making the Democrats sound better than they are by painting them as something altogether different from Republicans.

Today’s news:Migrant children drowning while crossing Rio Grande.

@si3tech That is exactly what the previous administration was trying to do! However, it scared the s**t out of the Democrats, who count on a continuous supply of future voters to come in from the South. So they came into power with the promise of open borders. However, Biden soon realized that we cannot handle all the people that would take him up on his implied promises.

@kritiper Man, you are sooo generous to the administration…

@JLoon You are absolutely right in blaming the US drug trade for most of the problems down South. However, I have visited many countries where there is no impact of the drug trade. Yet, most people would sacrifice their stable lives to be allowed into the US.

@si3tech I feel bad for the children, and for their parents. However, I think, they knew the risks they were taking…

The so-called leadership is irrelevant. And the Yestruly simplistic contention of the border deluge as the Democratic plot to bolster party numbers is too lame for consideration. And as for those people who would “sacrifice their stable lives to be allowed into the U.S.”, there is understandable “sacrifice” in fleeing the “stability” of starvation and destitution. What could be more stable than guaranteed misery and an existence more torturous than death?

@crazyguy: If non-citizens cannot vote, then people coming from any other countries will not become “future voters” unless they become legalized citizens. Therefore, when you keep saying that Democrats are relying on future voters to come across the southern border, you are mistaken.

@jca2 The average House member is worried only about the next election. Senators take a slightly longer view, the DNC takes a real long-term view. If you look at Democratic positions over the years, they are never in favor of turning off the spigot. Even when they are pushing an increase in the minimum wage.

@crazyguy: There are many Hispanic Republicans as well as Democrats. That said, unless the immigrant becomes legalized, they cannot vote no matter what their politics are.

Here’s an article showing the breakdown of Hispanic Repubs and Dems in recent history:

https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2020-presidential-election

It’s not humane. People who are selfish and fear illegal immigrants will never understand this.

It’s like once you get into the boat, you now are pushing others back to the water where sharks await. Pure selfishness. I would add cowardice. For submitting to fear instead of kindness.

@jca2 There are indeed Hispanic Republicans and black Republicans. However, the majority of them are Democrats. As far as retiring citizenship to vote, have you read HR 1?

It’s humane if America can’t handle the people who are coming in. The question is can we? Seems like we should be able to do more.

Closing the border sends a signal to people not to take the dangerous journey now.

@JLeslie You know as well as I that “closing the border” is the BIG LIE!

Yes, of course it is. Countries have borders and should manage them for the benefit of the country.

@SnipSnip You said: Countries have borders and should manage them for the benefit of the country.

I agree 100%. However, right now, the border is being managed for the benefit of other countries, the US takes last place in Biden’s thinking!

@crazyguy When Trump was in office people were being held in detention centers and let into America. This is how it has been for as long as I can remember. Trump’s big sin was separating children from their parents.

Both Republicans and Democrats seem to think under Trump immigration stopped, people could not get papers to live in America nor to become citizens. It isn’t true. Under Trump I know plenty of people who traveled here on vacation, even people who are Muslim, people who were given papers for green cards, people who became citizens. We know people seeking asylum were let in, it just was not as expedient as people wanted.

The truth is in the middle. The answer is somewhere in the middle also.

@crazyguy Yes

@JLeslie For once I agree with you 100%. Legal immigration did proceed under Trump, and illegal immigration was slowed down but not completely stopped.

If he had four more years to finish the wall, illegal immigration would have almost completely stopped. That is what scared the pants off the radical left.

@crazyguy No! The left is worried about people under extreme duress in their countries including threats to their lives. The left for some reason remembers that many of their own families left – fled – their former countries because their lives were danger from starvation, politics, or hatred.

I’m assuming when you came to this country your family had a certain amount of money, maybe you came in a student visa? Work visa? As a minor with your family because your dad had a good job opportunity here? Am I far off? That is not how my family came here. Much of my family came here fleeing antisemitism and poverty.

4 more years? The man was and remains a twisted goblin—a creature without honor, a disgrace to his office, and a criminal embarrassment to his country.

^I think it’s a disgrace the simplemindedness and desperation in the idea that a wall will help solve illegal immigration. trump is the master exacerbator of hate and selfish people gobble up everything he serves.

@JLeslie For your info, and for the info of other posters here:

Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or arriving at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.

As you have doubtless noticed on many occasions, there is no mention of starvation and hatred. Persecution, yes. Crime, no. Gang violence, no. Yet, for some strange reason, the Left wants to open up our great country to any and all comers. Ask yourself why.

Borders are violence.

What dummy would conclude that gangs are incapable of persecution? THIS is what I mean about the futility of data no matter how ponderous, absent a modicum of common sense and some semblance of logic. For the love of God, get off the fkn internet and try to acquire a little depth. Consider if only for a minute the scope in the word “persecution”.

@crazyguy this last post of yours haunts me incessantly since I read it. I just plain can’t get over it. For you to read that UN definition then conclude the people swamping our borders undefined as a “class” and WORSE—free from persecution is stunning. Can you tell us why you believe gangsters and criminals unlikely proponents of DELIBERATE persecution? And while you’re at it, considering what ALL of them have in common, how can you NOT explain them as a class?

While it is possible for a gang to persecute non-members, as long as the non-members do not belong to a different race, religion, nationality or a particular social group, or political opinion, it does not fit the UN definition. I italicized the last two groups because those are the ones judges can and do play with. To me, non-gang-members do not fit into either of the categories, but I can see some left-leaning judge reaching a different conclusion.

you mean any judge with a dictionatry is by definition a leftist?