Is 22.5 years enough for Chauvin?
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June 25th, 2021
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Not in my opinion, he had a background of abusive incidents, and the victim was already subdued, and expressing that he was actually dying, speaks to intent.
It’s a start. It’s probably 10x the average of what previous police got for a similar offense.
Well whether we like it or not the judge has to follow the law.
Either he will be dead or he will be released within 8 years.
You know, I am usually staunchly opposed to the death penalty and torture, but in case of murderous cops….
Just a reminder that the pigs claimed that this murder was just a medical incident
Never believe the pigs. Always assume that they are lying.
At 47 years old Chauvin will be 67 years of age , a senior , if he lives that long in jail?
Surely there will be someone in the jail that will end up fighting him?
He made a mistake that cost a life and it looks like he may too?
Sorry @Inspired_2write but no one thinks he made a mistake. He knew the man was in dire straits, crying for his life and his mama.
He deserved more time and I hope he never sees the light of day.
The charge was second degree (unintentional) murder. They did not not need to prove intent, only that his actions caused his death. So intent probably is not considered while sentencing.
He’ll be 67 when he gets out?? Second degree murder?? Yeah, that’s long enough.
He won’t make it. Some one will beat his ass to death. Even a bad ass like John Gotti got beat up in prison…a murderous cop? His chances are slim and nil.
It won’t be easy for him. I expect him dead within 5 years.
No, but considering precedent, it’s a big step in the right direction.
Given the charge he was convicted of, I think it’s about right. That’s a long time to sit and think.
Who cares?
The bloke was found guilty & locked up, some people are never happy!
Did you know the shithead is currently being charged with tax evasion because of almost half a million dollars in unreported income? And he murdered a guy over a counterfeit bill.
^^ ironic isn’t it? He worked on the taxpayers dime and he refused to pay his taxes.
No, but it’s ok anyway. I can accept that trial is over. Now, let’s make sure that type of thing never happens again! People need to keep their focus and push forward with cleaning up the police forces from men like this.
I think Democrats should drop defund the police horrible horrible slogan and switch to Fund the Police. When Democrats want to improve public schools we don’t say defund the schools and send the money to private institutions do we? No!
If we want to add social workers to de-escalate situations before arrests need to be made that’s great! Put social workers on the police budget. Change how this is all being framed by the Republicans and use it against us. It might already be too late though. Almost immediately Val Demmings, Cory Booker, and other prominent Black people said Defund isn’t the word they would use, but no one knows it.
Considering it could have been less, I’m pretty ok with it, I suppose.
I do think that real change will come from this whole situation, albeit slowly, so I don’t think George died in vain.
R.I.P. George Perry Floyd, Jr. R.I.P.
@smudges
The “change” that will come from this is that it will become more and more illegal to film cops.
@chyna
His mistake was an error in his judgment, which is faulty.
@Inspired_2write: Murdering someone who was already subdued and posed no threat is not an “error in judgement”, it’s homicidal.
Most of the country feels Chauvin MURDERED George Floyd, and that it was not simply a mistake in judgement.
I don’t think it will become illegal to film cops. The risk is fewer people will want to become cops, which is a problem. People don’t like “all lives matter,” but if white people fear police brutality as much as Black people it will help keep some fail safes in place like video. I don’t mean we should ignore that Black people are being harassed, brutalized, and killed more often than whites at the hands of the police, I am only saying laws like being able to video affect everyone, and buy in from all races helps.
@JLeslie Most of the country would act as a lynch mob and act accordingly, which is not proper, legal, justice. So it doesn’t matter how they feel about George Floyd.
@kritiper I agree that too often people are quick to judgement and want to take the law into their own hands, but with this case we have the entire thing on video, multiple witnesses, another first responder there who was horrified by what she witnessed. This is not just find someone who fits the description and string them up in a tree. It went to court, no one pursued vigilantly justice.
I’d have given him life meaning literally life if I was a judge.
A judge isn’t allowed to hand out random sentences.
I just read that he can get out in 15 years for good behavior.
@chyna That sucks, but he’ll be 60, won’t be able to get a job in his chosen field, if at all, and may not even make it out alive. His wife has divorced him and who knows if any of his relatives will still be living.
Yeah, he’ll do ⅔ time for good behavior, which is standard.
If he survives. That’s the 65,000 dollar question.
If he ends up in gen pop, he’s likely dead. If they keep him in solitary, he’s safe, but could go insane from the isolation.
Well, he’s already insane, or he’d have never done what did did…so…
I’m guessing that some of the guards may be sympathetic to him, and if he’s in solitary they’ll give him special things to help him out.
@Dutchess_III I wouldn’t call life a “random” sentence. What that thug actually got was more of a “random” sentence.
By “random sentence” I meant they (the judges) can’t hand out whatever they want. They are bound by law as to what sentences they can hand out.
@Dutchess_III There should be a fixed sentence, life should mean life. From what I see these judges do hand out whatever they want.
They don’t. They have guidelines they have to follow or the whole thing could be thrown out.
@Dutchess_III In that case, why do sentences for the same crime vary from one criminal to another? Why don’t they always get the same fixed sentence? What sort of guidelines are they following?
No, @Glambarber, your premise is too simplistic. First of all, different jurisdictions have different guidelines. Then, the type of person a criminal is can play into the judge’s decisions. If the person is deemed to be a greater threat to the community in the future, as testimony of character witnesses, history of the perpetrator, and a lot of other factors etc etc etc.
This is why there are human judges, with a certain amount of discretionary power.
@canidmajor – it’s too bad that different jurisdictions have different guidelines. Makes the law seem to be arbitrary.
Yeah, @RocketGuy, the law is pretty arbitrary, and full of human prejudices and failings. I wonder if a non-human system would be better. Devoid of bias sounds good, devoid of compassion does not.
Conundrum.
Was it in Back to the Future where the bullys’ court case was finished in ½ hr?
Canidmajor, I’m sorry but I cannot respect a system that has variables (different jurisdictions have different guidelines). Everybody must be treated the same no matter where they live, otherwise it’s not fair. If it’s not fair I cannot respect it. It doesn’t get any simpler.
@Glambarber Fine, don’t respect it. But that’s what it is. There often are differing variables which may be subtle, but should be considered. Obviously not things like race, income, etc etc etc, and unless you eliminate completely a certain level of state’s autonomy (which counts for jurisdictional differences) there won’t be the absolute cookie-cutter justice that you would espouse.
@Glambarber: A big factor is the prior record of the defendant. Is this something he (or she) has done before? Do they have a criminal past? A violent past? Have they been a wonderful addition to their community, and then did this one thing? Was this crime pre-planned or did they plan it out for a day, a week, months, etc.? Was it self defense? Was it ruthless? Those things all come into play when the Judge determines the sentence. Plus different states have different criteria for each charge. What is first degree murder in one state may not be the same for another state. What type of evidence is allowed in one state may not be allowed in another state.
@jca2
I agree with you about the prior record of the defendant, but that “different states have different criteria for each charge” needs sorting out as soon as possible. It should be the same everywhere. I cannot respect a system that is subject to change and variation. It has to be fixed in the same concrete it was set in on day one.
Well, then, @Glambarber, you’d better get to work campaigning against states’ autonomy, and contacting various federal authorities to get on the ball right now about all that.
You really don’t seem to understand just how important the concept of justice depends on the consideration of variables.
@canidmajor And you really don’t seem to understand just how important the concept of justice depends on the consideration of fixed unvariable truth.
@Glambarber That’s your feeling and you stick to it. It doesn’t mean you’ll convince others.
Well, @Glambarber, when the Robot Overlords rise up and control All Things, I’m sure they will appreciate your point of view.
In the meantime we are stuck with a system that takes into account the humanity of all parties, which is why the basic, core concept of Justice is mutable.
It goes back to the constitution.
Yes, exactly @Dutchess_III.
More details are in the link i posted.
I’ve just seen it, Dutchess. Whatever differences may exist between States, the concept of justice can only be termed “justice” when everybody is treated with equality. It has nothing to do with Robot Overlords, it’s obviously about fairness.
Not all murders are equal.
The Constitution allows for the states to consider extenuating circumstances.
Not all murders are equal? What’s that supposed to mean? Some murders are socially acceptable and others are not? What nonsense.
Normal, law abiding guy walks in on some guy rapingnhis 5 year old daughter. He kills him right then and there. Most men would. Most woman would too.
Woman gets attacked by her boyfriend, gets her hands on a gun and shoots him in self defense.
Not comparable to somebody spending months figuring out how to kill his wife for her money, without getting caught.
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