Can we start a rumor that any people who take Ivermectin to 'cure' Covid begin to whinny and neigh after a week or two?

Actually my brother sent me an article where 85% of men who take it have ED or erectile disfunction after taking this drug meant to de-worm a horse.

That works, too, @chyna

I actually read that it gives you diarrhea and someone pooped in the supermarket. I would think that would put you off taking it.

Kind of puts paid to the excuse that “I don’t know what’s in it so I’m not putting it in my body” for not getting the vaccine!

Ivermectin killed one of my dogs. (Long story, genetic anomaly, yes, it’s prescribed for dogs, too.) Let’s bruit that about.

Was it not shown, that humans that take Ivermectin start oozing glue from their orifices?

I heard they go “baaa”.

No. It would take more than a week or two…

It is prescribed for horses asses, so it is appropriate for many Republicans.

I heard it’s been linked to Exploding Testicle Disorder.

I thought I heard that if horses asses take it, they start involuntarily voting for Democrats.

@kneesox You mean they turn into donkeys?

Spreading rumors based on disinformation is dangerous and ignorant on many levels.
Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies. It is also being evaluated for its potential to reduce the rate of malaria transmission by killing mosquitoes that feed on treated humans and livestock. For these indications, ivermectin has been widely used and is generally well tolerated. Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA for the treatment of any viral infection.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

Naaayyyy – not a good idea.

Have you done a PubMed search for Ivermectin? The outrage is so overblown. Seriously. Stop calling it a horse and livestock drug. I am infuriated with my medical and public health colleagues who make fun of people for using an alternative medication (which many people have been prescribed off-label from their physician). We will never reach people by making fun of them.

The biggest concern is dosing and the effects on the microbiome and liver. I talked to my physician about taking it for its anti-inflammatory and antiviral properties before it was popular for COVID (I have Lyme disease and co-infections, autoimmune disease, etc.) and she would not prescribe it at that time because of my baseline liver bloodwork.

@Cupcake I think they are making fun of it because people are saying they won’t take the vaccine because they don’t know what’s in it or what it will do to you, yet they are willing to take a horse de-wormer drug without knowing what is in it, how much to take and is usually bought at a feed store.

They probably eat hot dogs, too.

My dog gets Ivermectin as a heartworm preventative. It comes in beef-flavored blocks, which should be more appetizing than what horses get. Still won’t prevent/cure Covid.

I read on Quora that Ivermectin really can kill the Covid virus. It’s just that the dose to do that would kill humans.

Any people who take Ivermectin to ‘cure’ Covid begin to whinny and neigh after a week or two.

@chyna They’re taking it because “they” don’t want you to. “They” want you to get vaccinated, so that’s out of the question, and “they” don’t want you to take ivermectin, so the choice is obvious.

We could’ve solved this problem by having the government tell the Blue States to get vaccinated and tell the Red States not to get vaccinated. It would’ve resulted in everyone getting vaccinated.

They know that’s not going to happen, because half my state is taking it. First it was the aquarium cleaner now this, but no vaccine.

If the threat of death doesn’t deter then, no amount of liberal ridicule will. That’s just not something that matters to them.

And yes, people here are dying from taking it.
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/article254056413.html

I guess we could start those rumors. We could also start the rumor that those that get Botox will moo in their sleep.

I haven’t heard of anybody using Botox to cure Covid.

Excessive Botox has caused death before. The full name would be the clue: Botulism Toxin.

@RocketGuy Yeah, but has it hit the ranks of “stupid things to try to cure Covid?”

It is commonly used to recover from covid, but not in the dosage for horses. That is the issue. Because people are not getting accurate information, or the right to make their own choices, they are trying to forge ahead on their own.

It is very cheap. Big pharma wants the sale of something expensive rather than something costing little more than aspirin.
I have some videos linked here from youtube posts explaining information which msm has prevented people from hearing.

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There are other sources, but they mostly repeat what is linked above
Notice the time span.

Only people who actually care about the truth will view any of these. Mostly I expect derisive comments from those who simply like to argue.

It is all about $$$.

Vaccinations are F R E E !

Dewormer meds for horses, from the AG store, cost money !

@Patty_Melt where is the money in your comment?

And what conspiracy sites are you looking at . . . .?

I won’t answer someone who didn’t bother to watch the links.

Because of my searches, this popped up in my suggested videos.
It is not about ivormectin, but it has some unexpected information.
Spoiler, when he gets to the part about smokers, whaaaat?

This doctor has a long list of credentials, but he does a great job of saying things in understandable terms. I didn’t search for this. I didn’t post it for controversy. I just saw it as interesting information not being made available in a wide range. I’m not pushing any idea. I just found it informative, and I thought I’d share.

Getting back to the point you say that people aren’t getting accurate information about ivermectin. The FDA says this on their website:

“The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 in people or animals. Ivermectin has not been shown to be safe or effective for these indications.

There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. It is not okay.

Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death.”

The advice is quite clear and should not be ignored.

It baffles me as to why people are refusing to take a vaccine that is made specifically for this virus, researched by scientists and proven to work to, at the very least, lessen the severity of the virus, and at best, prevent the virus. And it’s free.
But they will take their chances on a medication meant to de-worm livestock, with no scientific research, therefore no known dosage indicators. But it is known to have hurt or killed people. And it is not free, you have to PAY to shit yourself in a grocery store!
Why? Because a Democratic President is pushing it? Boy, I bet all those people on vents and dying are sayin “ I showed Biden. Screw his vaccine.”

Patriots!!
I died for ‘murica.

I’m not sure why there is so much angst about ivermectin. There have been many drugs that started off as something else…sometimes entirely different purposes. I mentioned Botox as a bit of tongue-in-cheek, but it was, at one time, attempted to be used as a chemical weapon. Pufferfish toxin has been found to be an excellent pain killer and anti-nausea med for people undergoing chemotherapy. Likewise the venom of a king cobra is found to be a better, non-addictive, pain killer than morphine. Additionally, there are many drugs that started off life with one goal and later were found to be excellent for an entirely unrelated treatment.

And before you all start trying to put words in my mouth or intentions in my mind, I’m not suggesting we should go milk a pufferfish if we have a headache or anything like that. But I personally feel that if this drug works at treating Covid-19, why is that a bad thing? Just because you don’t like that it started off as an anti-parasitic for livestock? It is highly unlikely it is given in the same dosage as a horse would get, but why is it wrong to look for treatments to Covid in unlikely places?

@seawulf575 Sure, I agree with all that you have said. Only when and if they research the drug for its effectiveness in treating covid. Not because someone says so.

This guy “threw the whole kitchen sink” at it, and claims it was Ivermectin that made him better.
During the days he was fighting the disease he could have eaten 4 pounds of over boiled broccoli and claimed that that did the trick.
Or he could’ve purposely worn different colored socks, and say the same about them.
There’s nothing scientific about it.

The core premise of this question, even under the mocking tone, is concern for the people who are likely risking their health on a hysterical whim. It is not a bad thing to want people to stop doing that, in spite of what the angry people on this thread who defend those actions have to say.

We also didn’t want people to drink bleach.

@chyna So why do you support the vaccines so much? They were not tested fully before use. They were presented with minimal data and approved for EUA only. The animal testing started about the same time as the human injections started. But because someone said they were good you support them.

I apologize, I’m really not trying to argue. I just don’t understand the difference. If people started using ivermectin all the time and the government said it was great, would that make it okay?

@seawulf575 It’s not directed at ivermectin itself. It’s about the willful ignorance and the politicians, media, and fools who are spreading the murderously dangerous and destructive ideas that are treating us to a new Covid surge. It’s about those who aren’t getting vaccinated, aren’t isolating, and the many who lately are self-medicating with excessive doses of types of ivermectin that are for animals rather than even using the types for humans, and therefore are not only using an ineffective medication, but are ending up swarming into the already-overloaded hospital system.

(Overloading the hospital system results in many problems, including deaths, not just for those infected with Covid or killing themselves with animal ivermectin, but also due to not being able to get attention due to triage, lack of beds, lack and/or over-fatigue of staff, lack of supplies, unwillingness to go to hospital, etc.)

For actual information, turn off Fox News and other alt-right new sources, and take a look at, say, this article from the FDA explaining ’Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19’ .

@Zaku Did you read the the actual article you cited? It says that the FDA has approved ivermectin for use in humans: “Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea.” So to say this drug is solely for animals is misinformation. The only thing it hasn’t had is approval for use against Covid-19. It does say that clinical trials are already underway for its use in this capacity, but they aren’t completed yet.

And again, I don’t see the difference between this and the vaccines. Clinical trials are underway right now for the vaccines. They were not completed prior to the FDA allowing their use. Why is there so much angst about a drug like ivermectin being used to treat Covid, when the vaccines were not tested any more than it was before being used? In fact, it was tested less. The vaccines were never allowed for human use in any capacity prior to their usage under the EUA. The mRNA technology was never approved for use in humans prior to that either. So why is it okay to believe the vaccines are great and harmless yet to be so down on ivermectin?

Key sentence being here: ”The only thing it hasn’t had is approval for use against Covid-19.”
The rest is a waste of symbols.

There are 76 clinical trials, some are ongoing and several are complete. https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&term=ivermectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=&Search=Search

@rebbel That statement was to point out how untrue the statement was that said it was only for horses. Taking stuff out of context is likewise disingenuous.

@seawulf575 “Did you read the the actual article you cited? It says that the FDA has approved ivermectin for use in humans: “Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea.” So to say this drug is solely for animals is misinformation.”
– Why yes, I did read it.
– You need to read more than the first point that says something slightly similar to what your biases hope it will say.
– See the other parts, such as:
* “However, the FDA has received multiple reports of patients who have required medical attention, including hospitalization, after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for livestock.”
* “Never use medications intended for animals on yourself or other people. Animal ivermectin products are very different from those approved for humans.”
* “The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 in people or animals. Ivermectin has not been shown to be safe or effective for these indications.

There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. It is not okay.

Even the levels of ivermectin for approved human uses can interact with other medications, like blood-thinners. You can also overdose on ivermectin, which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, hypotension (low blood pressure), allergic reactions (itching and hives), dizziness, ataxia (problems with balance), seizures, coma and even death. ”

More on the original topic:
https://i.imgur.com/EZFXMyw.png

I took invermectin once after I had sex with a Broncos fan.
It just seemed like the right way to deal with the guilt.

Also the right way to deal with his(?) parasitic worm sperm. :P

@Brian1946 – HA! I’m still worm free ;)

Uh, look at my links. They HAVE done tests, several.
My links cover testing, US refusal to disclose the truth, the dangers of trying to use it without prescription.

You guys just want to argue, because none of you took a look at what I linked.

@JLoon

Congrats!
Now you can also have worm-free boinking with any Bulls or Colts fans who get trapped in your boudoir! ;-D

@Patty_Melt Yes, I looked at the links now and you are right, it is being looked at as a possible treatment. But none of the links say it has been proven effective or should be prescribed. And clearly people who go out and get it without a prescription for an off-label use are sometimes getting very sick. Whereas, 99 per cent of the people hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated. So why not go with the tested and FDA approved vaccine that works?

I don’t understand why this has to become such a politicized argument.

@janbb Some people just want to wear red MAGA hats for a failed President !

@Everyone – I understood the person originally posting here was asking with humorous intent, and that’s the way I answered it.

But for those who are taking this question so seriously (you know who you are), I wonder about a a couple things.

• How is invermectin use in treating COVID 19 any safer or less experimental than the vaccines already currently in use? Why choose this drug but reject the others?

• If anyone still believes that we need to reach out to vax resisters and somehow persuade them that they should be immunized for their own good and to protect their communities, my question is – How?? When facts, reasonable argument, medical proof, and financial or other incentives fail, what’s left? How could ridicule or sarcasm be worse than punishment or use of force?

Well, many people are refusing to admit or expose, the vaccine does not work. Remember Dems who fled to DC from Texas? There are many, some of whom I know.
Ivermectin is being tested for covid-19, but I was proven safe for use decades ago. Yes, that information is included above in my links.
I do not dispute the fact that using it in the vetranary form is a dangerous choice, but that is all the more reason to make public all that is known about its use, and expected outcomes.

One more viewpoint.

@Patty_Melt Source PLEEZE ! . . .and (Trump University does not count they got sued . . . ) !

@Patty_Melt – Sorry but I don’t get it.

I’m not a medical professional, but I don’t think I’m completely stupid either. I learned as much as I could about the vaccines being given, from every source I could find before I got my shots. And I’ve looked carefully at all the studies on safety and effectiveness since then. Every credible and truthful report I’ve seen shows that both the mRNA and the Johnson & Johnson adenovirus vector formulas are working, and adverse reactions are minimal. Besides that I feel fine, and I haven’t got COVID.

So while I can accept that a few people may continue to refuse immunization for religious, philosophical, or other personal reasons – I think arguing about vaccine science while suggesting a treatment that’s even more unproven is just confusing.

@JLoon I think it’s sort of like bluffing in Poker. The Republicans, Fox News, and the right-wing Preacher types decided to follow Trump’s lead, no matter how stupid or irresponsible or damaging it might be, and are still sticking with the idea that Trump’s not a lying ignorant corrupt con-man/maniac narcissist psychopath, even when he lied that he had information that he won the election but it was stolen, and even about the endless nonsense about what to do or not do about Covid-19. Trump’s bullshit is their shit poker hand, and they’re too dumb and/or in denial (or for the smarter ones, they’re willing to lie that they don’t know it’s all terrible bullshit) to acknowledge that it’s all bullshit and responsible for thousands of deaths. If they get rational and listen and accept that the medical community is far more qualified to say what should be done about Covid-19 than the line of bullshit, then they might have to face that they’ve been following the corrupt idiot’s lies for no good reason, and that everything they’ve been aligning with for the last 5 years or so was also practically all corrupt idiotic bullshit.

If they actually had and used critical thinking skills, they’d soon realize how idiotic and backwards practically every Republican currently in office has been, and how Fox News is non-stop bullshit, and that they’ve been deceived for years and years, and so on.

@Zaku – I gotta find something that will immunize me against politics.

I think the problem in the US is that people have come to accept that the purpose of life is to make money and become rich. The government exists to drive up the stock exchange, drug companies exist to make money, doctors exist to push doubtful drugs on patients to support the drug companies. The idea that anyone or any institution could act unselfishly or purely in the public interest is foreign to many Americans and so they don’t trust anything anyone says anymore.

To some extent I don’t blame them. I am in the UK and by and large we place much more trust in our academics and our institutions who regularly communicate directly with the public through TV, radio and print and who have a reputation for honesty. Our politicians we don’t trust so much, but we take them as we find them.

This article is is worth reading as it tries to explain how a lack of trust is driving the scepticism of science and medicine in the US.

@flutherother Your first statement is a bit of an exaggerated generalisation, I think.

@janbb I hope it’s an exaggeration but that’s how it looks sometimes from the outside.

@flutherother I know.:-(

@flutherother, @janbb – Unfortunately, I think maybe it’s not wrong to say that in the US mistrust of authority has been twisted inside out.

What we were all taught about how a free society should always question those in power has mutated into toxic doubt about everything. I think there are some limits to skepticism. When questioning leads you farther away from facts and closes your mind it turns into denial. And denial doesn’t make anyone smarter or more free.

Kind of a long way from where this question began, but here we are.

@JLoon Good points.

@JLoon GA and being delusional doesn’t make you the brightest bulb on the fright wing Christmas tree.

I’m not saying people should not get the shot. I am pointing out, however, that sources have been terribly dishonest about reporting.
The vaccine does NOT prevent people from catching or spreading covid.
I am not trying to tell anyone who wants it to not get it, but for people who want the truth, I am trying to provide the sources of truth about ivormectin. And no, I am not motivated by politics. Like many others, the jab is one thing I believe Trump was wrong about.
The military used experimental medications on me. One was a slightly altered version of LSD. In all, they have caused lifelong effects. I was not advised what they were, or what to expect. I know first hand what it is like to be prescribed something and assume it is safe, only to find out different down the road. It is something that nobody can say sorry and take it back.

There have been small tests with ivormectin. If you take notice, that is the reason they can’t be certain of the results. However, they do know that prescribed responsibly, so far the outcome has been good. That is why they are moving on to bigger trials. What they do know for certain is that it is safe to use, because it has been used several years already for other things. The two important things to know is, it should not be self administered, and it should not be taken by pregnant women, or any who have a possibility of getting pregnant in the near future. It has had horrible effects on unborn animals, and they will not test that aspect with humans.
The vax has not only been proven ineffective, it has had dire results for many people.

Big pharma wants to give the jab, because it makes them a lot of money. Ivormectin is cheap, crazy cheap. That is why truth is being squashed.

The intent with ivormectin is to reduce the severity of symptoms. They hope it can be a prophylactic, but that takes much longer to be certain. Mostly they are looking at it as a way to prevent the most severe symptoms.

I am sharing this information to be helpful. The shouts of horse dewormer cause panic, and doubt.
People should be aware of their alternatives.
I resent being attacked for my research efforts.
Anyone who thinks I am being political can piss off.

This link is lengthy, but it starts back in history, and comes right up to the very recent past. There are receipts for all of it.

I just want people to make informed choices. As for me, I am done being a guinea pig. Half a dozen times or more I donated bone marrow for research. That one I did knowingly. The trials during my military years were sneaky, and unsafe.
Well, one was okay. You know those treatments for muscle spasms that uses electric current? They tested that first in the military, and it was used on me for a back injury. Smoooooth. I won’t describe the other contraption they used. You would not believe me. It was medieval stuff.
So, this is my last on this thread.
If nobody finds any of my links helpful, I’m sorry. I want what I suffered to benefit someone.

I’m sorry about the typos in my earlier post. I was in a hurry and didn’t double check.

You swung and missed again @Patty_Melt Comirnaty is approved ! > > > https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

It is not a human guinea pig sorry they screw with you using LSD !

“The analysis of the Pfizer vaccine, which the US Food and Drug Administration fully approved earlier this week,” which means it is NOT experimental ! https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/large-real-world-study-pfizers-covid-vaccine-safe

https://youtu.be/zIJErVlVOY8

https://youtu.be/5x-fGPLxej8

https://youtu.be/ZMzvTjKyI68

https://youtu.be/RsujO9Q0N0s

https://youtu.be/rtyt79Gu0_Q

What Is Breast Implant Illness? WTF ? ? ?

How Talcum Powder Contaminated With Asbestos Causes Cancer. WTF ? ? ?

Zimmer Knee Replacement Lawsuits: Complications, Settlements & Cases WTF ? ? ?

Hernia Mesh Explained – FDA Recall why it Fails, Symptoms, and Lawsuits WTF ? ? ?

Mesothelioma WTF ? ? ?

All of which shows you have nothing !

All approved by the FDA initially.
Duh

@Patty_Melt – And the FDA has approved limited human use for invermectin too.

So what’s your point? Really man, what are you doing?

Make your own decision about whether you get a shot or not, for whatever reasons you want. It’s your choice. But please stop pretending you have “proof” of something.

None of this stuff shows what you think it does.

The ivermectin dose required to kill Covid is >10x higher than the safe dose for humans: https://twitter.com/VirusWhisperer/status/1429271377484394496

bad cut and paste!!!

I wonder if Nicki Minaj saw my comment about Exploding Testicle Disorder, and misunderstood this was a joke.

LIBERALS just go ahead, and keep calling me stupid.