Are anti-vaxxers, and anti-abortion the same people?

No, I’m a fully vaxxed Pro-Lifer. If you believe in science, both make sense.

Are you asking, or stating?
I don’t really get it.

@KNOWITALL, what science supports anti-abortion before the fetus is viable extrautero?

Probably.

@canidmajor A lot. Technology is teaching us new information basically making Roe v Wade obsolete. I’m sure you’ve read about them if you care about this subject. And many are weighing in regarding current cases like MS.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/pro-life-pro-science/549308/

So you quote a known anti-abortionist @KNOWITALL !

@Tropical_Willie Science is evolving and it’s a difficult subject inside their own scientific communities now. Research needs money, money can create bias.

The article is a OP-ED piece !

@Tropical Sorry if you don’t approve, it’s a good piece.

I know people who are both. I know people who are only one. Most people I know are neither.
I get along with the latter better.

Most anti-vaxers I know are also anti-abortion but I don’t think the reverse is true.

But really the “my body, my choice” argument could apply to the reverse: abortion should be a choice but vaccines should be forced?

@Demosthenes But the goal of vaccination is increased public health, it is not only the individual’s choice.

I think, and I don’t hear this enough from anyone, that pregnancy is a unique situation in which the rights of an arguably potential human being are pitted against the rights of the mother who has to carry, bear and raise it. It is not really analogous to any other situation. In Jewish law, the health and well-being of the mother are considered paramount so abortion is allowed within certain parameters. One might argue that vasectomies should not be allowed since all those potential babies are being killed. And has often been said, many of the people who are “pro-life” don’t give a damn about child poverty, child trauma or education. And criminalizing abortion only hurts the poor.

But I also know that these arguments are pointless and I don’t usually engage in them because no one ever changes anyone’s mind. So I’ll stop following.

No, both hold very strong beliefs, but are not necessarily one and the same.

People still throwing anti jab in with antivaxers.
Anti jab is about the science. The science is, they tried it on millions and millions of people to see if it works. Some people are against having greedy big pharma execs experiment with their lives, and the lives of their potential future generations.

It is not a vaccine if you still get the malady after.

^And others want to live to see the next generation, so they get vaccinated. It is a vaccine if you live through the malady and those not vaccinated don’t live through it. But each to their own.

No it is not. A vaccine is a prevention, not a suggestion.

Survival of a virus is not the result of a vaccine. A vaccine prevents the individual from catching it at all.

The term breakthrough case is a joke. The correct term is failed attempt.

I had covid before they even had a list of actual symptoms, so I suppose I can identify as vaxxed, because I did not die.

They are not the same though I expect there is a pretty big overlap. Both are in favour of letting nature take its own course which is not always a good idea. As with most things it is better to be pragmatic than dogmatic.

@KNOWITALL And here’s an Op Ed from the Atlantic claiming there is really no need for worry about Covid. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/where-i-live-no-one-cares-about-covid/620958/
Which only indicates that the Atlantic, which in a lot of respects is an excellent publication, is not immune to the appeal of the click bait method to get readers.

And you seem not to understand my question to you up there. Science does a whole bunch to to help us understand and maintain the health of fetuses before they are viable outside the womb, science does not support anti-abortion. “Science” has no opinion on the subject. “Science” doesn’t determine whether or not a fetus has more value than the possessor of the uterus in which it resides. That is all you, arrogantly and only you, deciding that your absence of any experience relating to this, makes you able to decide what is best for All.

No. That is like saying that people who don’t like coffee are the same people that don’t like tea.

It seems like a lot of people who are politically Conservative or right leaning are anti-vax, and that same group tends to be pro-life. Not all, of course, but a good portion. The anti-vaxers are also on social media, raging against mask mandates. (In NYS, the Governor just put a temporary mask mandate in place for the following month (12/13/21 to 1/13/22) and some Republican County Executives are not enforcing the mandate, and right wingers are extremely pissed the mandate is even in place).

I don’t think so. I know plenty of liberal friends who are anti-vaccine and pro choice. They believe in the false claims that vaccines cause autism.

@canidmajor There it is, the namecalling again. You listen to reply, not to consider another point of view. But at least you’re consistent.

It’s so interesting that women like you, presumably, don’t give other women any credit for being smart enough to avoid pregnancy or abortion. As if there’s no middle ground at all.

Avoid pregnancy in a rape case?

@SQUEEKY2 Rape and incest are less than 3% of all abortions. But for that small percentage, it’s still a choice to abort or not.

You and your wife don’t have kids either, so was that just luck?

No, @KNOWITALL, you assume that your diligent contraceptive management is all that is needed to prevent pregnancy. (You have said so in the past). That is not so at all. It is you who are not recognizing a middle ground. Absolutely no sexual contact of any kind, or sterilization, are the only methods of absolute certainty. Infertility affects about 10% of us (https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/infertility/conditioninfo/common) which is a lot. You may be affected. Your husband may be affected. Assuming you are just “smart” enough to not get pregnant is silly.

@canidmajor You may not be but many of us are. :)

^Does the smiley face make that ok to say?

@chyna Am I supposed to lie and pretend I didn’t take all precautions, or say my husband was my only lover, or something else to appease her? Facts are facts and not all Childfree couples abort as birth control.

She came at me as soon as I said Pro-Life. Like a freaking homophobe with a rainbow flag.

@KNOWITALL is absolutely correct. Antivaxxers and anti-abortion advocates are not the same.

I realize @KNOWITALL can take care of herself, but ffs lay off. She’s a good person. And this question is not about arguing abortion.

@Caravanfan Thanks, I’ll remember that, rock star.

Sometimes they are the same people, but it’s not a given. I know plenty of people who are pro-life regarding abortion and who also put out their arm right away for the covid vaccine. My city has a lot of Republicans who are pro-life, but we are extremely vaccinated here. Just look at the statistics in the US for people over 65 who are fully vaccinated (extremely high) and you can surmise plenty of them are pro-life also.

I think most anti-vax people are likely to be pro-life, but not so much the reverse.

As far as vaccine mandates, I have a very liberal friend who is having a hard time with the vaccine mandates because she is pro-choice and feels the government should stay out of our medical lives. Most Democrats don’t see it that way. The federal mandate, from what I understand, would have a work around. Getting tested periodically or having antibodies? Something like that to accommodate people who won’t get the shot.

The difference is invasion.

It’s very narrow minded to make such assumptions about people you know fuck-all about.

Well it got a rise out of you I can assume that.

Yes, your neurotic obsession with the unvaccinated population and ignorant assumptions, are truly riveting.~
I wish I had that kind of free time.

Listen,^^^ being unvaccinated puts YOU and others at a greater risk at contracting this fucking virus that is killing a great deal of people,what is so hard at understanding that??
You don’t want to get vaccinated then fine but totally stay out of public till this virus is under control, web shop, curb side pick up, and take out only!
As for free time you must have lots yourself as you always have time and sneer,or mock me.

I personally know a few legit my body my choice people. They are very far left leaning, granola eating, soap making hippies who are antivax and pro choice.

@Caravanfan GA