Are the willingly unvaccinated bad people?
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No. Just ignorantly introverted.
Depends on the reasons they have, I say.
I agree with rebbel. It really depends. If they believe nonsense and are unwilling to see reason because they think the world should do as they say or believe what they believe or because they don’t care about their fellow man, then they are selfish and bad. If they believe nonsense because they have the comprehension of a 5 year old, then it’s not their fault that they aren’t making wise decisions or if they are the type of person who has always believed in conspiracy theories then they aren’t all upstairs, so again understandable.
They are selfish in the extreme. The biggest villains are the ones spreading misinformation, and the ones knowingly doing it for profit are committing crimes against humanity.
Good or bad people vaccines do not make.
Some people have genuine reasons why they can’t get it so I hesitate to make a blanket statement all who don’t get it are bad people.
No. We need all kinds for biodiversity. Just in case s.h.t.f. Maybe we will find one of them that has natural immunity, and we can get rid of an illness permanently.
@RedDeerGuy1 If today’s antivaxers were around in the 1950’s we’d still have Polio, and it probably would have evolved into something much worse…
The way to exterminate a virus is vaccination.
@gorillapaws I agree somewhat, but 500 years ago leaching, and 2000 years ago trepanning was considered normal. Modern problems had blood transfusions that where contaminated with hepatitis. Science should discourage conceit in its believers because It is always evolving. Lest our smartest among us to be considered to be the next high priests of the past. Which I believe is the wrong way to go.
My profile has this quote:
“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.”
― Richard Feynman
I would add that calling people names is a violation of ones boundaries. All should be free to question authority within reason. Without being attacked. If the law says that vaccination is mandatory then fine. I believe in law and order. Canada, and most of the free world Is based on the rule of law form legitimate authority
I got most of my back shots a year before Covid, because I was afraid of contaminating my body with chemicals. Also I was afraid of needles. I am double vaccinated with all of my flu shots back 4 years. I most likely had Covid on November 16–26 where I was asked to social isolate for ten days. I am grateful for the vaccine.
I would like everyone to have the right to say no. It’s not like we are holding people down and injecting them with vaccines. If someone did that to me I would be upset and might forester anger towards them.
They are not bad people, they are just monstrously stupid.
No. I believe most are simply ignorant, and ignorant does not equal stupid. As for those who are actively and purposefully spreading misinformation for fame or profit, they’re not bad, they’re evil.
@RedDeerGuy1 “I was afraid of contaminating my body with chemicals…”
I hate to break it to you, but you’re “contaminating your body with chemicals” literally every time you breath, drink, eat, brush your teeth, rub your eyes and pick your nose. Our bodies are hardly temples of purity.
As for name calling, I think “selfish” is a perfectly descriptive word. Their decisions harm (and kill) other people in their community.
@gorillapaws Thanks. I was a grade two student, and didn’t know better back then. I refused my booster shot, I went back three years ago and got all the ones that I missed except some flu shots that I don’t know how to get after time has passed.
Some are bad, some aren’t.
Not getting the vaccine doesn’t make them bad. They were probably bad before this.
Terribly ignorant ,to say the least for some reason they want this virus to be around for a very long time and could care less on who gets sick or dies.
What gets me is when these dumb fucks get violent in their anti-vaxx views and beliefs.
Yes, self centered selfish assholes who want other people to die.
Depends why they aren’t getting vaccinated.
The people promoting inaccurate information and doing their best to persuade others not to get vaccinated are the people I take most issue with. Plus, the people who lie to their friends and family about it and secretly were vaccinated.
I just had a back and forth on Facebook with a woman I know who told me covid vaccines don’t work and measles vaccine doesn’t have breakthrough cases. Totally false. Her beliefs are based on assumptions, ignorance, and trusting other uninformed people. I take real issue with her doing status updates promoting against the vaccines with false information that she doesn’t fact check at all. My guess is she has zero curiosity about challenging her thoughts, it would be too much psychological stress.
^ Why do you bother having a back and forth with her? It’s 2 years in. Antivaxxers will not change their minds. I unfriend those people that spread untruths because they could cost someone their life.
At some point, maybe a sufficient umber will remove themselves from the gene pool that they do not pose a risk to the rest of us.
@chyna She is rarely in my feed because I rarely interact with her. Some do change their minds, depends why they are hesitant. I’m not going to spend multiple hours or days arguing about it with people, but once in a while I give some info where their thinking is incorrect. I’m not badgering her to get vaccinated, I’m telling her that her justifications like measles has no breakthrough cases are untrue in hopes she will stop writing that.
Are you on Q’s with our anti-vax jellies?
They’re not bad people by default. They’re not necessarily stupid or ignorant either. I would say gullible or just lacking critical thinking skills. I know a bunch of anti-vaxers. It’s usually one of those two things. The common thread is they cannot assess or register risk very well. That’s it’s own skill. There is no shortage of good, smart and educated people can’t do this as well as most people can.
@JLeslie I am on questions with the couple of antivaxxers on here, but that’s because we can’t unfriend or unfollow on Fluther. However, I have stopped trying to get them to see my way about vaccines as they have made up their minds as have I.
@Redeerguy, everytime you eat food you are “contaminating” your body with chemicals.
@chyna On Facebook I usually just quiet them for 30 days, I don’t remember what that’s called, and then that seems to result in not seeing them much at all long term, because I think the algorithm picks that up as no interaction, like I’m not interested in that person.
Six months ago people were saying the vaccine hesitant people won’t get vaccinated, but a portion have. At my husband’s work they successfully vaccinated a portion of the unvaccinated employees at one of their plants a couple of months ago. They brought in someone to administer vaccines at work where the vaccination rate was extremely low. From what he was told a few employees said they were glad it was at work so they didn’t have to worry about family or friends knowing. Although, in that plant they probably do have peer pressure even among plant workers, because so many are anti-vax.
“Bad” people? Relative to what/whom? Bill Gates, the EU, and private corporations have all actively fought against global vaccination in favor of wealth accumulation (IP). How do these pieces of shit measure in the “bad” metric compared to someone as evil as Gates?
Also, there are so many people who feel good about themselves for getting all of their vaccinations, and then don’t support guaranteed nationalized or even single-payer healthcare. Those people are objectively more “bad” than uncle Scott who believes that vaccines will cause him to become a communist or some shit.
Listen, I get that people need something to feel good about. And if you want to feel as though you’re better and there are “bad” people who are not vaccinated – go for it. I get it. But it might make sense to understand what you’re engaging in. Many of the confused people who are afraid of Covid vaccines are this way for a reason, and we should look at our own political and personal beliefs more closely before that self-righteous glow gets ahold of you. In a country that celebrates individualism and a decided lack of global responsibility, we can’t suddenly be surprised when it manifests in this way. We can’t feign surprise that a large part of the country is scientifically illiterate when we all take part in a daily rejection of science (our lack of action on global climate change, capitalism, lack of a lockdown, etc).
Feeling good about the fact that we’ve been vaccinated and not a “bad” person is delusional and is like a serial killer taking pride in eating vegan.
@product Please stop spreading lies, this statement by you is false – Bill Gates, the EU, and private corporations have all actively fought against global vaccination
”...the confused people who are afraid of Covid vaccines are this way for a reason, that reason is they are thinking of themseves ahead of other people.
Of course they are not bad people.
They have the right to refuse any form of medication, whether its a vaccination or a life-saving operation.
However in my view those who are refusing the COVID vaccines are being extremely silly and care nothing for their loved ones and other people.
They are foolish because they refuse to accept that the few people who have had serious adverse effects from having the vaccines are miniscule compared to the 100s of millions worldwide who have had either no side effects or very small side effects such as a headache or are a little shivery for a day or so.
Even some refuse to accept that Covid is real and they say that it is no more than a slightly more serious flu like virus. Of course they are being equally foolish by not taking notice of those who have refused the vaccinations and have caught and died from Covid.
As far as being uncaring is concerned they obviously give no thought to catching the virus themselves and passing it on to their loved ones and others they come into contact with. They should have the sense to realise that even though they might not believe Covid exists Covid does not care and it will, and has, attacked them in the blink of an eye as soon as it has the opportunity.
I am also disgusted with those who walk around with placards trying to convince people that they should not have the vaccine because Covid does not exist, especially those who harass schoolchildren when they leave school and frighten the them.
They have NO right to try to force their views on other people, especially children.
It is the decision of the individual whether to have the vaccinations or not and the
decision of the parents whether their children are given it.
I have heard of several ‘Anti-Vaxxers who have contracted the virus and then told everyone they wished they had had the jabs.
@zenvelo It’s not false:
“Maintaining his steadfast commitment to intellectual property rights, Gates pushed for a plan that would permit companies to hold exclusive rights to lifesaving medicines, no matter how much they benefited from public funding. Given the enormous influence Gates has in the global public health world, his vision ultimately won out in the Covax program—which enshrines monopoly patent rights and relies on the charitable whims of rich countries and pharmaceutical giants to provide vaccines to most of the world.” (Source)
@zenvelo: “Please stop spreading lies, this statement by you is false”
And you think the unvaccinated are ignorant? I urge you to do the slightest research into IP and vaccines and why there was no global response to a global pandemic.
@zenvelo: “that reason is they are thinking of themseves ahead of other people.”
Yep. Didn’t read my comment, did you?
You ok, zenvelo? You’re usually sharper than this?
Nope, just wrong or immunocompromised.
Their ignorance is really frustrating and most of them have no excuse, but if I’m being honest I’ve probably contributed to more death than many of them through minor decisions I’ve made in my life (the products I bought, the times I didn’t give blood or volunteer, the job I chose, etc).
I think the decision not to vaccinate is just a symptom of our selfishness as a society (which is intentionally cultivated by the powerful IF YOU ASK ME [except no one did]). That affects me just as much as the next person, even if I made the right decision this time (when it was easy).
But I also haven’t lost anyone close to me as a result of Corona. I still have my friends and a place to live and sh** to do. I understand if some people are angrier at the unvaxxed than I am.
@product Bill Gates may be profit driven, but he and most bisiness leaders have been in favor of universal vaccination. Hell, half the right wing conspiracy theorists think Gates wants to vaccinate everyone so he can implant a micro chip.
My second comment was reference to the self centeredness of anti vaxxers without their thought that they are disease vectors for vulnerable people.
@zenvelo: “Bill Gates may be profit driven, but he and most bisiness leaders have been in favor of universal vaccination.”
This is a factually incorrect statement. Period.
Please, please do the most basic reading on why the TRIPS waiver was the only chance we had to stop this, and how Bill Gates, the EU, and everyone who makes money on IP opposed it. He finally caved in May 2021 and made mild statements saying that he wasn’t necessarily opposed to some kind of temporary waiver. But that’s far too late and too little.
I’m actually shocked you’re pushing back on very basic facts that you should already know about.
@zenvelo: “Hell, half the right wing conspiracy theorists think Gates wants to vaccinate everyone so he can implant a micro chip.”
And you’re now contributing to this by muddying the waters and making factual incorrect statements. This is very dangerous territory, and it’s why I begged you via direct message to correct this. You’re planting the seeds the wulfie and the right are going to allow to grow. Please do not spread misinformation. This is way too important.
Agree with our resident socialists on the thread and the TRIPS waiver thing. I don’t know about Bill Gates in particular (I’ll take @product word for it) but I do know that if the mRNA technology had been available to multiple countries we could have nipped this in the bud. But other companies were forced to go with the shittier antigen and dead viral related vaccines. On top of that add corrupt or incompetent governments and we are now where we are.
I would say that they are selfish cowards. They want the herd to attain immunity so that they don’t get it, but they are unwilling to take on the small risk of vaccine harm to contribute. Benefits without working for it.
Just in case my point isn’t clear.
Antivaxxers are the worst people in the world. I generally get along with everybody but antivaxxers get nothing from me but pity loathing, and scorn.
Clear enough?
Some are, that’s for sure. Some are willfully ignorant, and some are selfish, and some are some combination of the three.
I go with the doctor. “Antivaxxers are the worst people in the world. I generally get along with everybody but antivaxxers get nothing from me but pity loathing, and scorn.”
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