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janbb's avatar

How should the insurrection of January 6 be commemorated this year?

Asked by janbb (63221points) January 2nd, 2022

As asked. I really don’t know what I think should be done.

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Caravanfan's avatar

commemorate
kə-mĕm′ə-rāt″
transitive verb
To honor the memory of (a person or event, for example), especially with a ceremony. synonym: observe.
To serve as a memorial to.
To call to remembrance by a special act or observance; to celebrate with honor and solemnity; to honor, as a person or event, by some act of respect or affection, intended to preserve the remembrance of the person or event.

Nope.

JLoon's avatar

How SHOULD it be commemorated?

Pass a national voting rights bill that establishes independent redistricting commissions, provides standardized registration, open and equal access to polls, and guarantees accurate objective non-partisan counting & reporting of votes everywhere in the country.

BUT what we’ll really get will be moralizing lame-ass speeches from Democrats, and phony denials & fingerpointing from Republicans.

Democracy doesn’t die in the dark – It dies in broad daylight and nobody comes to the funeral.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

The Fright wing will probably have a party, the rest of us will try and forget an Orange haired baboon tried to over throw the government.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

I remember the spiritual guy in animal hides. The guy whose mommy said that he has a weak tummy, and that jail foods hurts his tum tum. Also the fine of up to $500 and time in jail.

janbb's avatar

@Caravanfan You’re right. I stumbled over which word to use. Certainly “celebrate” wasn’t the right one. Can you suggest what would be better?

@JLoon Brilliantly said!

Caravanfan's avatar

@janbb “Remember”.

janbb's avatar

^^ Well, I think remember is a little less than I was thinking. I’m thinking more of something public around that date. Remember is more of a personal thing and too easy for those who want to to forget. To me it is important for there to be public notice as we do for Pearl Harbor Day or 9/11. I think private remembering leads to ignoring in this case.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Maybe arrest warrants for GOP ring leaders.

janbb's avatar

^^ That would work!

jca2's avatar

I like @Tropical_Willie‘s idea best.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

My wife is get SPAM from Jim Jordan and other GOP people asking for money. Yesterday it was 12 emails and Friday it was 10. Send him and MT Greene to jail.

Jeruba's avatar

No doubt there will be an explosion of media coverage, if there isn’t already. Bracketed by plenty of ads, because it will draw attention, and that’s all the advertisers care about.

I don’t know what it should be. How do we memorialize a disaster? Usually we recall the scope of it, how it hit, what the aftermath was like, and how far we’ve come in recovery. I’m thinking of 9/11, tsunamis and earthquakes, assassinations of leaders, great fires and collapses of great structures. We are all on one side in those matters, lamenting the destruction and the loss of life and property, sympathizing with living victims, hoping for healing, cheering for progress.

What do we do when our own people were both victims and perpetrators? when our entire nation was grievously wounded? when the deep divisions and the vicious lies that brought it about are still thriving and growing? When the next stop on this line may be more ruinous and deadly than anything we ever imagined could happen in our country? When people of good intent and people of bad intent alike are still nurturing the cancer that brought this to pass and threatens to sink us?

The best recognition of the ill significance of that date might be simply to tell the truth about it and call again for just punishment of the perpetrators and especially of their leaders, traitors all.

SergeantQueen's avatar

political campaign ads. “MY supporters would NEVER!!!”

KNOWITALL's avatar

Based on the almost comical hand-slap of sentencing, it’s not much of an issue. No need to honor or remember.

Jaxk's avatar

Jan 6th was merely the culmination of a year of lawless rioting, burning, and killing. One riot was no worse than any others and all should be condemned. Put aside your politics and prejudices and use that year as a learning experience. When you encourage lawless behavior, it will eventually turn back on you. The entire year was a dark period in our democracy. I’m not sure it’s over yet.

flutherother's avatar

A national one minute silence and a commemorative plaque like this one on the Capitol Building would be appropriate. People put their lives on the line to save democracy from the mob and some died. That shouldn’t be forgotten.

kritiper's avatar

By announcing the naming of a qualified firing squad.

Jeruba's avatar

@Jaxk, it wasn’t “merely” anything. Unlike all the other protest demonstrations of 2020, it was a direct assault on our nation by our own citizens. Imagine if those insurrectionists had been Russian or North Korean or Islamic. What might have followed?

Imagine if they’d even been Puerto Rican. Or Black.

Inspired_2write's avatar

It should not get the attenion that they got.
Only those who lost their lives or seriously injured should a plaque be placed.
No need to make those insurgents get any more publicity.

cheebdragon's avatar

Why would it need to be commemorated?

janbb's avatar

@cheebdragon Just like the Germans learn about the Nazi horrors or we learn about slavery because it is a negative part of our history that we want to prevent recurring. An attempted coup is a pretty significant event that shouldn’t be swept under the rug.

In Berlin there are plaques at some of the railroad stations where Jews were deported to the camps.

Jaxk's avatar

@Jeruba – “Imagine if they’d even been Puerto Rican. Or Black.” You mean like BLM trying to storm the Whitehouse? We know what happened, they named a street after them.

@Inspired_2write – Only one person was killed and it was an unarmed protester shot by the Capital Police.

C’mon people try a little perspective here.

chyna's avatar

@Jaxk There is no comparison with the insurgents on Jan. 6, 2021 and the black lives protesters. Jan 6 was riot. Against our lawmakers.
BLM are protesting racial injustice.

Brian Sicknick- died the day after he was beaten by rioters at the capitol.
Ashli Babbitt-shot and killed by a Capitol police officer as she was climbing through a broken window leading to the Speakers Lobby.
Kevin Greyson- Suffered a heart attack and fell to the sidewalk while standing ina throng of protesters.
Roseanne Boyland-killed in the crush of fellow rioters.
BenjaminPhilips-Died of a stroke in Washington.

Jaxk's avatar

Kevin Greysont – Aprotester with high blood pressure that tased himself and had a heart attack.
Roseanne Boyland – A protester that died of an overdose.
Brian Sicknick – Capital Police Officer that died from natural causes the next day.
BenjaminPhilips – A protester that had a stroke and died outside the capital.
And of course Ashli Babbitt – A protester that was shot dead by Capital Police and the only one killed.

A protest is a protest even if you don’t agree with the premise. When the rioters were attacking the Whitehouse it was as much an insurrection as it was at the Capital.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@Jaxk Do you mean those protesters (rioters) that were gathered in that park across the street from the Whitehouse ,those ones?
The ones that ole orange hair teargassed and and got the police to dispersed so Trump could walk and and have a photo op in front of that church ?
I could see how you could compare them to the ones that stormed the Capital, you know the ones that ran through the halls screaming hang Mike Pence,and other chants?
Also do you really believe that Capital police officer died of natural causes the next day??
being attacked by a protester with a fire extinguisher had nothing to do with it?
All I can say is just plain WOW!!!!

Jaxk's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 – Unfortunately you’re so ill informed, it’s hard to decide where to start. The fire extinguisher incident, never happened. It’s been debunked for the best part of a year now. Same with the photo-op story. Pure fiction. As for the riot at the Whitehouse it occurred the night before when the protesters were attacking the barriers erected by the Secret Service. The Secret Service was simply better at defending the perimeter than the Capital Police.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Really seeing ole orange hair come out the the Whitehouse gate shortly after those evil protesters were dispersed, walk than have photos in front of that church that we all saw on tv has been debunked ?
I want a link to the debunked fire extinguisher story.
Seeing how ill informed I guess I don’t get the everything is wonderful when your a conservative channel.

janbb's avatar

@Jaxk I’m not going to fight you truth for lie when we’ve all seen the video of what happened and heard the testimony but please don’t ever call yourself patriotic again. And, by the way, it’s White House, not Whitehouse.

janbb's avatar

@all I just read that there are Candlelight vigils taking place around the country and organizers are calling it a Day of Remembrance. There will also be a documentary about defending democracy on PBS at 9 EST.

These all seem appropriate activities to me.

Jaxk's avatar

The coroner stated cause of death to be ‘natural causes’. Here’s the story. No injuries of any kind, simply a blood clot that caused a stroke. You may want to read it. Here is the story from the Park Police about the clearing of the park. You may want to read this as well. Next time you may want to back up your own misinformation instead of asking me to do it for you.

@janbb – I’ve never claimed to be a patriot I am a patriot. I’ve spent 6 years in the military and just because I don’t subscribe to your hair brained ideology doesn’t make me any less.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I can’t say the officers death didn’t happen so I will give ya that one.
BUT I don’t believe the park story for one minute, strange they needed it cleared for the contractor ,but 11minutes later out comes the Don Father on his way to a photo op that of course wasn’t the reason the park was cleared, UH BULLSHIT!

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Jaxk believes it was just a tour for patriots but GOP “big wigs” gave the tour on January 5th (showing them where Nancy Pelosi ‘s office was located) !

Police Investigating Whether Lawmakers Gave Rioters Tour of Capitol Before Siege

The Capitol Police are looking into whether members of Congress inappropriately gave visitors access to the Capitol ahead of last week’s assault.

Published Jan. 15, 2021Updated March 24, 2021

Here’s what you need to know:

The Capitol Police are investigating whether lawmakers gave pre-riot building tours, as Pelosi names leader of security review.

Pelosi: Security Requires ‘Truth and Trust’
Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Friday that if any House members had acted as accomplices to the attack on the U.S. Capitol, they would face consequences.

When we’re talking about security, we have to talk about truth and trust. In order to serve here with each other, we must trust that people have respect for their oath of office, respect for this institution. We must trust each other. If, in fact, it is found that members of Congress were accomplices to this insurrection, if they aided and abetted the crime, there may have to be actions taken beyond the Congress and in terms of prosecution. We must object this whole complex, though, to scrutiny in light of what happened and the fact that the inauguration is coming. To that end, I have asked retired Lieutenant General Russel Honoré to lead an immediate review of security, infrastructure, interagency processes, and command and control.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Friday that if any House members had acted as accomplices to the attack on the U.S. Capitol, they would face consequences.

The Capitol Police said Friday that they had opened an investigation into whether members of Congress inappropriately gave visitors access to the Capitol ahead of the storming of the building last week, after several lawmakers raised concerns that their own colleagues might have allowed members of a pro-Trump mob inside in the days leading up to the assault.

The inquiry came to light as Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that she had named Russel L. Honoré, a retired Army lieutenant general, to lead a security review of the Capitol in the wake of the riot, in which a throng of President Trump’s supporters rampaged through the building in a deadly security failure that put the lives of lawmakers and the vice president at risk.

Pledging accountability for those behind the Jan. 6 siege, Ms. Pelosi warned that if any Republican members of the House had aided the rioters as they sought to advance Mr. Trump’s effort to overturn the election results, they would be punished. She also said that she had spoken with the secretary of the Army and the Secret Service director to ensure that the necessary resources were in place to prevent a repeat at President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s inauguration next week.

“In order to serve here together, we must trust that people have respect for their oath of office, respect for this institution,” she said. “If in fact it is found that members of Congress were accomplices to this insurrection — if they aided and abetted the crimes — there may have to be action taken beyond the Congress in terms of prosecution for that.”

Led by Representative Mikie Sherrill, a New Jersey Democrat and former Navy pilot, more than 30 lawmakers called on Wednesday for an investigation into visitors’ access to the Capitol on the day before the riot.

In a letter to the acting House and Senate sergeants-at-arms and the Capitol Police, the lawmakers, many of whom served in the military and said they were trained to “recognize suspicious activity,” demanded answers about what they described as an “extremely high number of outside groups” let into the Capitol on Jan. 5 at a time when most tours were restricted because of the coronavirus pandemic.

On Friday, Eva Malecki, a spokeswoman, said the Capitol Police was looking into the issue.

“The matter is under investigation,” Ms. Malecki said.

Ms. Pelosi said she had asked Mr. Honoré, who helped coordinate the military relief efforts around Hurricane Katrina, to conduct “an immediate review of the Capitol’s security infrastructure, interagency processes and procedures, and command and control.”

“We must subject this whole complex, though, to scrutiny in light of what happened,” she said, adding that House committees would begin conducting their own investigations into what took place.

New York Times

Investigation ongoing . . . .

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Demosthenes's avatar

I’m of the opinion that Jan. 6 was more hilarious than apocalyptic; there’s something about the image of a bunch of weirdos bum-rushing the White House that’s always going to be a bit entertaining to me. Nonetheless, I don’t think most comparisons between Jan. 6 and BLM are valid. No one at Jan. 6 was there as “revenge for burning down Portland” or whatever. Rioting is rioting, but those people were there because they genuinely believed the election was being stolen. The implications of Jan. 6 are that democracy is fragile and a lot of people can come to believe something false if given the right encouragement. I think what should be commemorated is that the system you’ve taken for granted all your life could very well collapse some day (and maybe it should, I dunno. Not in favor of autocratic rule, but I won’t weep when the two-party system finally collapses).

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cheebdragon's avatar

@janbb Because jan 6th was just like the holocaust and slavery?

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