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When did Politics become so divisive?

Asked by SQUEEKY2 (23410points) April 20th, 2022

When did the parties stop working for the good of the country and focus on what benefits them and their lobbyists?

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Blackberry's avatar

This has been going on for thousands of years.
When they find a mummy covered in gold, that was just another Jeff bezos.

There has always been economic stratification on this planet of finite resources.

But recently, repealing glass-stegall and recognizing corporations as people didn’t help, no lol.

Zaku's avatar

Those are two separate questions.

The word “so” makes your first question not well-enough defined for me to answer. I do see several major shifts in recent decades:

* Richard Nixon was pretty severely hostile and corrupt (q.v. Watergate) but by recent standards, some of his policies were things that would be labelled radically progressive by GOP politicians today, such as founding the Environmental Protection Agency which Trump tried to destroy, applying national funding to fight cancer, signing Title IX outlawing gender bias at colleges and universities receiving Federal aid, initiating and overseeing desegregation of Southern schools, lowered the voting age from 21 to 18, returned sacred lands to Native Americans and ended forced integration policies, started SALT and ABM treaty negotiations.

* Ronald Reagan was visibly not actually a president, but figurehead mouthpiece and actor – he sounded good to some people, but to others clearly he was not smart enough to actually be the one making the decisions, and didn’t really understand the subjects he was reading speeches about.
The Reagan administration also pushed quite a few disingenuous policies counter to public will and good. Reagan was actually worse than Nixon in terms of policies.

* GOP have tried to persecute various Democrats with little regard for decency, truth or justice, such as Presidents Carter, Clinton, Obama, and now Biden.

* George W. Bush was another case of a clear puppet POTUS.

* Trump was and is, of course, off all the charts, not only being a tool and an idiot, but blatantly corrupt and hardly even making any effort at all to cover it up.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

I believe it began with the rise of the Religious Right and their alignment with the Republicans. Once God took a side, people could point at the left and call them evil.

kritiper's avatar

Ronald Reagan.

filmfann's avatar

The extremes have found it’s easy to outrage the populace with extreme comments. Once you do that, it’s hard to pull it back.
And when they can say companies like Disney are paedophiles, those politicians are monsters.

HP's avatar

I believe the change mirrors fundamental shifts in the parties themselves. The Republicans have effectively purged and eliminated any trace of its former moderate component, while the Democrats have deliberately abandoned their former role as defender of the working and middle classes. The shift is so extreme that as stated above, the policies of Richard Nixon would today be regarded by his party as leftist extremism. Meanwhile, the Democrats openly switched their allegiance from workers to the so called winners, educated elites, the professional classes, Wall Street, etc. As Steny Hoyer put it when formulating the strategy, where else can the working man go? This embrace of educated elites was not so much a reflection of adherence to their values. Much more significant is the fact that this is where the money can be found to counter the elephant’s corporate bankroll. All of this was planned and achieved right out in the open, and the results have been catastrophic for the hapless Democrats, who have effectively abandoned the field, while the right has adopted formerly leftist tactics and quite successfully bled off Democratic membership, showing EXACTLY where the working man might go, even as Republican policies run undisguised and blatantly counter to the interests of the middle and lower classes. Thus, for the first time, we are confronted with the peculiar situation, that in difficult times, it is now the Republican party which reaps the “benefits” of misery and hard times, as membership surges for the outfit against minimum wage laws, unions, women, Social Security, etc.

SEKA's avatar

The day that thumper announced he was running

@Hawaii_Jake God hasn’t taken a side. A side has started using God’s name in vain

seawulf575's avatar

When the media stopped being impartial.

Forever_Free's avatar

Julius Caesar

Jeruba's avatar

This is a long article, but very much worth a read if you can access it:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/

The title of the article is “Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid.”

It offers the the Biblical tale of the Tower of Babel as a metaphor to explain what has happened to American life in the past decade or so, showing what social media have done to confound our civil discourse. The change that seemed to happen suddenly around 2009–2010 really did happen suddenly. The author, Jonathan Haidt, explains why.

Not only does he analyze the breakdown and its present and future effects but he describes measures that can be taken to mitigate the harm. It may get worse before it gets better, but getting better does exist as a possibility.

Kropotkin's avatar

Parties have never worked for the good of country. They’ve been serving the interests of capital since their inception.

mazingerz88's avatar

So divisive? When Republicans voted the douchebag trump to power.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

We can’t blame Trump for this, but it did greatly escalate under his time in power.

raum's avatar

As much as I dislike Trump, he didn’t create the problem. The problem created the opportunity for someone like him to rise to power.

Entropy's avatar

A politician’s job is not to make the country better. A politician’s job is to win elections. Period. And political parties exist to help GROUPS of politicians win elections.

We used to have politicians kill each other in duels. We’ve had fist fights on the floor of congress. Partisan politics is not new.

Now, that having been said, there are some things that I think make everything more partisan and worse than it has to be.

1) The Death of Journalism. In the mid-20th century, journalists had ethics and were taught to report as objectively and even-handedly as possible. They avoided bias word, emotional words, and argumentative words in their articles. Their job was to report facts, and if necessary, report context you might need to understand the fact. They generally sought to report the whole story, and not cherry pick the parts that made the story sound the way they wanted it to sound. Go skim the headlines of foxnews.com or nytimes.com or washingtonpost.com…the articles are LOADED with bias/emotional/argumentative titles meant to push you to think a particular way about them.

This problem is the fault of the CONSUMER. Us. With the breakup of big media, we have more choices in our media outlets than ever. And consistently, left-leaning people pick leftward biased sources, and right-leaning people pick rightward biased sources. We make it profitable for them to pander to our bias.

Stop doing that. Find two media sources, one with as small a leftward bias as you can find, and one with as small a rightward bias as you can find. You’ll never find zero bias. It doesn’t exist and never did. But consume BOTH. Take note of when one reports on an issue and the other leaves it out…like how the NY Times refused to cover Biden’s laptop. Every so often, take the time to go out and fact check a story yourself. Anyone who spent 15 minutes on the internet fact-checking the 2020 election knew Trump was simply making crap up. But alot of Fox and NewsMax watches never took that 15 minutes. It’s ON YOU to be a responsible consumer.

2) Primary elections. Primaries are stupid. They cost lots of money, extend the election, increasing voter fatigue, and all that, sure…but they also inherently drive politicians to be more extreme because primaries are voted in mostly by party extremists. This means that if you’re a centrist office holder, thanks to modern gerry-mandering (more on that later), you don’t fear the general election. You fear your primary. If the special interests don’t like what you did, they’ll support someone to “primary” you. The fact that this is now a VERB tells you all you should need to know. To protect against being primaried, you govern more extreme and are less inclined to work with the other party to get stuff done.

We should reform our elections to use Ranked Choice with instant Runoff. No primaries. No third runoff elections. Everyone gets to rank all the candidates in order of preference, and voila. If you aren’t familiar with this reform proposal, go to youtube and search for “CGP Grey Voting Systems”. There’s a series of very layman accessible videos that include this topic (though IIRC, he used a different name for it). This would eliminate many of the inefficiencies in our electoral system and make our politics less partisan as every candidate would be appealing to the WHOLE electorate.

3) Computerized Gerrymandering. Look, gerrymandering isn’t new. And as long as it’s not done for racial reasons, it’s actually debateable whether it’s even inherently bad. I think it is, but I can see the argument the other way. But since 2000, computers have allowed gerrymandering to be so powerful and precise, that politicians are picking their voters, not the other way around. Competitive elections are rarer with most politicians that lose elections losing their primary not their general election. And contrary to what your party says about the other party being the only ones doing this, YES both parties do it, and both parties do it ALOT.

The solution is simple but politiically hard. We need a constitutional amendment. SCOTUS has refused to take on this issue and well, they’re not wrong. The constitution explicitly allows this stuff. But it shouldn’t. So let’s amend it. I have various ideas on exactly how to word that amendment, but really, anything making it clear that partisan gerrymandering is not allowed, BUT that courts don’t get to just substitute their OWN partisan maps (as the PA courts did).

4) McCain-Feingold. Remember this? It was the reform that ended ‘soft money’, which was the big bogey man before ‘dark money’ that everyone complains about now. The thing is, this transfer from soft to dark was predicted almost perfectly by Mitch McConnell. Why? Because all election spending laws do is drive spending to be more and more elusive. If you closed every loophole, they would just spend by bringing briefcases full of money to darkened garages. It’s better to let it be a free-for-all but have transparency rules that let it all be public.

Besides, before McCain-Feingold, do you know where the parties spent their soft money? Challengers. They almost exclusively spent the money supporting challengers to other party’s incumbents. And we got MORE competitive general elections because these less known challengers had a war chest that allowed them to get their message out. Incumbents wanted to vote for McCain-Feingold because they KNEW it would protect them. Hell it was DESIGNED to protect incumbents, as McConnell pointed out. Yeah, McConnell is an unpopular guy, but he knows politics and knows it well.

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