These states that are passing these abortion laws, are they truly concerned for the unborn or?

The US claims it’s one of the most free countries on the planet this proves it is not.

DO NOT mandate me to get the covid vaccine my body my choice.
I am sorry your uncle raped you but you have to carry his spawn to term, it’s the law.
Something is very wrong with this.

If this were genuinely motivated by concern for the lives of fetuses, then we’d see a huge drive by conservatives to promote comprehensive sex education, providing contraception, and supporting the morning after pill (which prevents fertilization). This is about “slut” shaming women, and maintaining a patriarchal social structure, backed by religious zealots.

^^ so it’s about votes,not fetuses?^^ well I do agee.

From Robb Roy “its not the baby that needs killing”.

I don’t even see them being after the right wing evangelical vote. They already have that vote. I see these laws as a manifestation of extreme misogyny. They literally think women are second class citizens and feel that their job is to put up and shut up. Matt Gaetz said the quiet part out loud and wrote what they all are thinking.

https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1521866987898552321/photo/1

Most people really have an issue with murdering babies. Especially areas that are known for family values. It’s probably difficult to understand if you haven’t been raised in a conservative area/family.

Its probably more of a shame to your family to abort than have a child outside of marriage. Families rally around to make sure you can keep your child. It’s very different from what I hear elsewhere.

That’s fine but don’t enforce it on everyone, especially when you’re talking about rape or incest.

@SQUEEKY2 Rape and incest are @2% of all abortions. That’s why many tend to be dismissive. Plus only two states have legal incest, in my state its a felony charge.

@KNOWITALL Literally nobody is talking about murdering babies. This is not what abortion is about. A 10 week old embryo is not a baby.

@KNOWITALL But there are states that are going ahead and saying that 2% doesn’t count.
They will have to carry it to term.

Look if you’re against abortion fine DON’T have one but DO NOT mandate it that no one can have one.

@Caravanfan In my state it is. As a doctor do you not work to save a premie’s life? It’s difficult to process when the only difference is whether they are wanted or not.

@SQUEEKY2 I feel similarly that there should definately be exceptions but we’ll have to see what, if anything, comes of this.

@KNOWITALL And that’s one of the many problems with your state. A fetus that is viable enough to live outside of the womb is never considered for abortion.

Every life is precious. Not

Fundamentally, they want to punish women for having sex. The ones who get pregnant are the ones that got caught.

If it were about preventing abortion, the push would be for contraception and sex education.

If it were about babies the push would for prenatal care, maternal health, family leave, post-natal health and beyond, to day care and schooling.

I don’t doubt that impressionable people believe they are saving babies. But they’re simply tools for cynical opportunists and theocrats.

@Call_Me_Jay Where you’re at doesn’t have that in place? We had all that here when I was a teenager in the 90’s.
I had $2 birth control, condoms by the handful, free gyn visits, etc… It’s all income-based here, even the vey clinic!

@KNOWITALL Feel free to detail how the clinics and services you list are thriving today in Trump-voting states.

They’re still here, if that’s what you mean?
It’s OACAC on Barnes St in Springfield, Mo. Feel free to look it up. They help with electric bills, food, birth control. all kinds of things.

Of course you have state aid and the churches as well, there’s all kinds of services here. Homeless from other states say its great here, seriously, we get more every year. We have great mental health free groups and facilities, too.
Warming stations in winter, bus passes, free govt cell phones. We have Eden Villages that are tiny homes to get people on their feet, several of those areas.
We have mens shelters, womens shelters, youth only shelters. I think we have lots to do but we’re making progress.

It’s interesting. A lot of people criticized the pandemic measures saying they weren’t really about concern for public health, they were about controlling people. And others say the same thing about the anti-abortion lobby: it’s not really about concern for the unborn, it’s about controlling women.

I don’t know whether that’s true, but I do think, politically at least, some of these anti-abortion measures are politicians flexing how anti-abortion they are and trying to outdo their opponents and rivals.

@Demosthenes It absolutely is because the hardcore Reps/Religious Right who only see this one issue are still voters.
In our state if you as a politician aren’t voting on Pro-Life issues, you will not get the endosement and likely will not win your election.

@KNOWITALL And that’s the exact thing of it. It’s all about politics and getting reelected. Not about healthcare.

@LuckyGuy The people in your link, or…. or Hitler or… weren’t born that way. And by the way, on the other hand, there are the potentially credit to society kind of people too, who don’t have a chance to be that.

@Caravan That’s politicians, voters do care. Two seperate thing’s.

It’s political bullshit driven by political-religious bullshit that AFAIK started in the 1980s with political right-wing takeover of Baptist organizations aimed at turning those groups into a political base with this and other BS “religious” messages as a rallying point, which worked depressingly well.

(HCR mentioned this recently ):
“The modern Southern Baptist Convention story begins in 1967, when Paige Patterson, a seminary student, and Paul Pressler, a Texas judge, met in New Orleans to discussing taking over the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. and ridding it of liberals, purging those who believed in abortion rights, women’s rights, and gay rights. By 1979 their candidate was elected head of the organization, and in the 1980s, Southern Baptists, who then numbered about 15 million people, were active in politics and were staunch supporters of the Republican Party. ”