Do you think Trump was one of the organizers of the January 6th attack on the Capitol?

Well, he pretty much planted the seed, watered it and watched it grow. I don’t think he organized it from a legal perspective though. He stood back and watched without saying a single word for them to stop. From an ethical view he did IMO.

I guess we will find out more as the Department of Justice starts questioning witnesses.

He was the ramrod, the herder. Someone else made the plans, he knew about it and pointed them in the desired direction.

I agree with @kritiper.

No, but I think he knew a bunch of uneducated people would do anything he says.

If you know you have crazy loyal dumb fans, it’s like having an army at your disposal.

Of course not, he just took advantage knowing the msm would gobble it up.

I love when people talk about the MSM as if it were a monolith when Fox News is the most consumed medium in the country.

@janbb
I love it when people call the MSM “left wing”, as if they were not all massive corporations run by accountants and marketers with the sole goal of making as much profit as possible.

@Blackberry Did he say it? He said go to the Capitol, bust through the doors harming anyone who gets in the way, and stop the certification? I know he indeed said we’ll march over to the Capitol on the day of, but prior to that was he organizing and planning it? Or, were other people concocting it and Trump just thought, ok yeah, go ahead and try, sounds good, and he didn’t have to do much of anything except not stop them.

@eyesoreu Gobble what up? Trump groupies breaching the Capitol and being violent for hours and harming many officers and threatening the lives of our congressman and VP? Not to mention a tremendous amount of property damage and rifling through government papers.

To answer the question and use a popular quote, he was definitely in “the room where it happened.” The six hour late night White House meeting where Pat Cippolini, the White House counsel, was asked to leave. Anyone who still believes Trump was not aware of and an active participant in the organization of the insurrection has not been paying attention to the facts.

@JLeslie
He did, but this was definitely planned before that speech. Also, some have objectively mentioned he went on Twitter to basically tell people to stop some time afterwards.

I do not know all the facts, though, and I just read @janbb answer now.

I don’t know if he tried to stop it via twitter at the time because I don’t know if his Twitter was still active, shutdown, or whether he made an attempt to even stop it or not.

I hesitate to use the words “organize” or “helped” with Trump, because he’s such an idiotic useless lump of crap, so I’d say he “helped” mainly by contributing the megalomania and ego and desperate delusional mindset that caused the whole thing to exist.

He was definitely at or near the center of the conversations that led to the attack and the attempted overthrow of our democracy.

“Does it matter to you either way? Does it matter from a legal standpoint?”
– No, because he’s the supposed executive. And it’s been shown many times that he knew about and/or was behind so much of it, that he was entirely responsible because he was the one supposedly in charge and encouraging it.

My concern is he will slip through the cracks regarding legal culpability. Similar to mob bosses.

Trump was really an idiot in my view to not call in the national guard and extra help to stop what was happening once the violence started. I don’t think any of this investigation would have gone this far if he had fained wanting to stop it. He still would have had his Colosseum like violent show for his voyeuristic and egoistic needs, it just would have been shorter.

I haven’t seen it mentioned before, but that Jan 6 insurrection was a massive waste of potential to actually do something worthwhile.

Imagine if that was a peaceful protest of nurses, blue collar workers and white collar workers that were against raising rent and bad wages.

And instead it was wasted on bored white people, probably unemployed and with no real goal.

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^”Randoms”. Amber Heard is that you?

No dear chyna tis I (ucme) as was.

I was just wondering last weekend whatever happened to Ucme – here he is crawling out from the murk.

Strange individual, turned on eh?

I don’t think he did either. It would gain him nothing to plan an attack on the capitol. Not to mention that wasn’t an attack. If he was seriously trying to overthrow the government there would have been armed insurgents and there weren’t. In fact the only person killed that day was one of the protesters.

Nor do I believe he encouraged it. A protest? Sure…he definitely encouraged that. In he specifically called for a peaceful protest. Do I believe he urged people to “storm the castle”? Nope. And the ones that do always fall back on “he said (fill in the blank) which is code for his followers to attack” or some such nonsense. That sort of thing assumes there is some hidden code that all his followers know and key words that set them into a specific action. And he obviously set all that up ahead of time. Which is ignorance and conspiracy theory. It makes no sense.

Hanging Pence and Pelosi would make him . . . . what King forever?

He certainly didn’t help protect those who needed it. That says a lot.

@seawulf575 Trump told the people scanning for weapons to stop doing it and just let the people through. People were there with pepper sprays, they certainly did bring items that became weapons or picked up items and used them to bludgeon officers.

Some people who came to DC that day did have guns. https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/08/jan6-defendants-guns/

So, do you think Trump did nothing for hours to stop it, because he liked watching the people ransack the Capitol and violently attack people there? Is it just because he thinks it’s fun to watch people crawling all over the Capitol like we are an unstable third world country? That’s why he did nothing? He had the power to stop it it seems. Once he said stop they did.

Trump encouraged them to stop Pence from certifying the election, that’s for sure. It’s like you haven’t watched a video of the violence that happened there. This isn’t just looting and vandalism, which is bad enough, they were threatening the lives of specific PEOPLE.

^ Every denier says there were no weapons, it wasn’t that violent and only one person was killed. It’s useless to engage anyone who thinks this. Their fingers are in their ears. Nothing will change their minds to the facts of that day.

@Jonsblond
Not everyone.
Some say it was all an Antifa plot.

That’s true. :(

I do think some Republicans are beginning to see the truth about Trump and the insurrection. And his Fascistic tendencies.

@JLeslie Trump as merely an idiot for not calling the Guard? How about a criminal?

@mazingerz88 You are looking at it from a totally different angle. I’m saying if I were him. Like my mom would say, don’t push your luck.

As someone on the outside, I think what he did was criminal in the layman’s sense of the term, I don’t know if it is technically criminal. I think it’s treasonous. I know he was the president at the time, so it might be odd to use the term treason, but Jan 6 involved stopping the right of who should be the next president to serve. He sat back while people got hurt, is that technically criminal? I don’t know, but it’s certainly awful, unpresidential, and cruel.

@JLeslie None of that addresses what I stated. The question was do I think Trump was one of the organizers of the “attack”. There are a number of things about that question that are extremely misleading. It assumes first that any violence was actually planned and that a serious effort at overthrowing the government was the focus. Both of those ideas are patently absurd for a number or reasons. Not least of which is that the cops let protesters into the capitol building in some areas. That is one fact the J6 commission does not want to address and are actively avoiding.

Another reason those ideas are absurd is that the protest was likely planned to a point, but the violence that ended up happening was obviously not planned. It was too disjointed for it to have been planned with any great effort. There were some that were urging violence and a storming off the building. Ray Epps was one. But he is one person the J6 commission has put off bounds for investigation. He started off on the most wanted list of J6 protesters by the FBI yet, mysteriously and with no reason given, was suddenly removed from the investigation. So if you are looking for someone that might be planning things, you might want to go to the guy that was urging people into illegal acts. But apparently that isn’t important either.

Another reason it is absurd is that if there were a planned effort to overthrow the government there would have been people coming out with weapons and blasting their way into the building. People looking to overthrow a government don’t bring pepper spray and count on picking up things to bludgeon police with. Yet you just told me that is what went on. So one of us is wrong….either people planning to overthrow a government do use only pepper spray and make-shift weapons or they come bearing and using arms. If the answer is they come bearing and using arms, this was obviously not planned or an effort to overthrow the government.

And Trump sat by for several hours possibly for a number or reasons. First that comes to my mind is the exact same reason he didn’t call in the national guard before the protest started…it wasn’t his job. He doesn’t control the DC police or the capitol police. He doesn’t make decisions about the security of the Capitol. AND, the idea that he sat by and did nothing assumes the crowd was under his control. Stop for a moment and think about what you are saying. He told the crowd they were going to peacefully protest. And they did that. But then, at least partially, due to urging from people that the J6 committee refuses to investigate, they went more violent. So you are suggesting that in a now violent situation that President Trump was supposed to step in and tell them stop? You start and end with the assumption that he was the mastermind. Step back for a minute and think if he wasn’t. Would stepping into a violent situation that you have understanding of be the smart thing?

Trump is a co-conspirator and culpable for January 6th; hope he does ten years years !

Some how he was thinking if they HUNG Pence and Pelosi, he would President !

Bet ya he was cumming in boxer shorts when he thought they would hang Pence and Pelosi !

@seawulf575 One thing though. We just got lucky so few people believed the election was rigged.

You and I both know a mass armed Republican planned attack would have been much different than Jan 6th. But the fact is, it really could have ended badly and Trump did encourage it.

I also think the left has done the same thing in the past, encouraging violence, so if one is guilty so is the other.

@KNOWITALL I know a mass armed attack would be devastating not only at this time but at any time in the future. The thing the left is counting on is that most people are responsible gun owners. What they may not be counting on is that their policies could end up spurring on a revolution. But I wouldn’t say that so few people believed the election was rigged. There are already many, many instances of evidence coming out where things were obviously not above board. And anyone that believes that after the poll counting was done for the day that Joe Biden could suddenly get almost 100% of the votes for hundreds of thousands of votes and suddenly win in not one, not two, but more like 5 states…all at the same time…is just plain gullible. And you are seeing that coming out more and more.

@seawulf575 That’s what I’m saying is that the world would need proof, and now it WOULD spark a fire no one wants to deal with.
So will Trump run or will they take him down?
The RNC stops paying his legal fee’s if he announces, that’s a lot of money at stake, too. Very interesting situation.

@KNOWITALL The entire effort to discredit him and “take him down” shows how scared they are of him. Why? He worked to put the power for many things back into the hands of Congress where it belongs instead of in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and EOs from the POTUS. How horrible! He wanted Congress to do their job. He worked to restore the US leadership in the world by brokering peace deals in the Middle East and by taking on the Chinese in trade situations and by making us energy independent. How horrible! He wanted peace and security for us.

The list goes on and on. Yet they have tried creating crimes during the Russia, Russia, Russia thing, during the impeachment, during pretty much everything they could think of. Remember the quid pro quo that they swore was a crime he had committed? They had no proof and, in fact, their claims were proven to be false by the release of the phone transcript they claimed was the focus. YET, they had a video of Biden, when he was VP, actually bragging about doing the exact same thing to the exact same country and he was implicating Obama in the process. Yet that wasn’t important. Now we find with Hunter’s laptop that it was likely all true and that Biden is far more corrupt than Trump ever was accused of being and still all they can do is focus on Trump. Why? Because they are truly scared he will run again and they know they have no one that could beat him and now the light has been shined on the election irregularities and many states are putting things in place to make elections more secure.

In the end, the entire effort against Trump is kabuki theater. Biden and the progressive/Democrat agenda has destroyed this nation. They undid every good thing Trump did and made us a laughing stock in the world. Our economy is in the toilet. Illegal Immigration is out of control. Crime is running rampant in the streets of many Democrat controlled cities. There is absolutely nothing they have done that is beneficial for this country. So the only thing they have left is to try smearing Trump. If they, and their pet propagandist media, can succeed in making enough of a stink they MAY be able to pull out a miracle in 2024.

And the funniest part about this entire entry is that I really am on the fence about Trump running. I think he could attempt to turn things around again, but the Democrats have already shown they are willing to bring the federal government to a grinding halt in an effort to battle him at every turn. So Trump would be a huge distraction as well as a potential power for good. And the truly pathetic part is that it really wouldn’t matter who ran instead of Trump. If he (or she) isn’t part of the swamp, they would do the exact same thing.

@seawulf575 Yes, well he still has a lot of support in red states. You probably don’t hear ads in other states like I do but many have personal endorsements by Trump. He will likely announce in September is the last I heard. God help us all.

@KNOWITALL There are a lot of people that still support him…that is true. Because they peel back the layers of the onion. Take away all the opinion in the media, take away the made up claims by the Democrats, take away all the stuff the Dems did that they blamed Trump for, and what did he really do? He actually did a lot for this country. And 99% of the things that the left claims he said or did are made up. Many people see through that and look with open eyes at his presidency. That is why there is so much support for him.

Yes I know…I’ll have the inevitable blow back from the leftist jellies trying to show me layers of the onion as proof he did something or they will find one little thing he did and try to make it out to be the summation of his presidency or they will tote out the inevitable innuendo to claim they are right.

@seawulf575 He is loved by some on the Right for the exact reasons some on the Left hated. I get it.

He may have not planned it all himself but that doesn’t matter truly. He was complicite before after and during. It’s like saying an accomplice in a murder didn’t plan all the details and only gave the murderer the gun and the keys to the victim’s place.
He’s also the one who promoted the lie about the election being stolen. He also took no action as a sitting president to quell the mob. I would call that a dereliction of duty at the least and aiding an insurrection. He took an oath to uphold the constitution and the duties of his office. He did neither that day until he was pressured to do so and saw he wasn’t going to get his way.