If someone is not mature enough to have an abortion, are they mature enough to have a child?
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One wouldn’t think so. How tragically they ruin people’s lives!
She has another option in that she can give the child up for adoption.
However I see that those in th U.S. take a trip to Canada and have an abortion there and return after her health is returned.
I grew up with a generation of kids given up for adoption & they are one fucked up group of people!!! I lost numerous friends to suicide because their natural born mother hated them & didn’t want them. And this was back when the girls wanted to keep their child but their parents refused to allow it.
I read a thread on Reddit by someone working in an old-folk’s home, and how the elderly told them that back in the day, they would just bury the unwanted newborn alive, or throw them in the river. Those days are coming back, baby!
^^ OMG Loli, don’t give anyone any ideas!!!
It’s the warped logic of the right.
It isn’t a fair comparison. There are plenty of both men and women who would make perfect parents, but are justifiably terrified of the responsibility and obligation. And there are women
of all ages just yearning to be parents who are clearly unsuited to the role.
@Inspired_2write If one is not mature enough to have an abortion, one is most likely not mature enough to emotionally handle giving up a baby.
It would probably be alright to have a baby but I don’t agree with abortion.
@zenvelo
Given her choices she may prefer to have the child adoped to a good home.
@Inspired_2write So you would force a young girl to endure the vagaries and physical trauma of an unwanted pregnancy? Why are you so punishingly callous?
By forcing an unwanted pregnancy to delivery, you are damaging at least two people: the mother and the child, especially if it results in adoption. I have known many people who were adopted, and every one felt abandoned and unwanted, even though they all now had caring homes.
From the article, she sounds like a young woman who is struggling to make a life. Forcing her to bear a child and either keep it or put it up for adoption would really be traumatic.
As I said before on another thread (thread on the topic of abortion), I sure do hope that these states are increasing their social services budgets, their mental health budgets, their Child Protective budgets, their budgets for shelters and homeless, their budgets for Probation and Police, and their budgets for the care of infants and children.
The Right seem to have an attitude of “once you’re born, we don’t give a fuck about you and we’ll happily throw you in jail, but aside from that, you better pull yourself up by the boostraps and make do.”
Of course they want to put you in jail. They are on the board of a corporation that earns its income from running the prison system in one or more states. At the least, they own stock in one or more of those corporations!!!
@KRD and @Inspired_2write, you both are in favor of imposing a potentially deadly, undeniably cruel, punishment on the girl. What sort of equal punishment would you propose for the person who impregnated her?
Oh dear, I fear I’ll be dead before you get the answer to that one!!!
Yeah, I don’t imagine either will bother to answer.
I think anyone who forces someone to give birth should be punished.
@canidmajor having a abortion is just wrong and inhumane.
@KRD So what will you do if you impregnate a woman when you or she can’t raise a child?
Put it up for adoption @janbb.
If the woman loses pay while she’s out sick from being pregnant and after the delivery, are you going to support her during that time, @KRD?
“The trial judge denied the petition but explicitly left open the availability of further proceedings by saying that the “Court finds [the minor] may be able, at a later date, to adequately articulate her request, and the Court may re-evaluate its decision at that time.”
“In this regard, the key if not sole factor for “re-evaluation” would apparently be the trial judge’s initial concern that the minor’s “evaluation of the benefits and consequences of her decision is wanting.” The detailed written order points out that the minor has evaluated the pros/cons in making her decision and the transcript reflects a similar mental process. Reading between the lines, it appears that the trial court wanted to give the minor, who was under extra stress due to a friend’s death, additional time to express a keener understanding of the consequences of terminating a pregnancy. This makes some sense given that the minor, at least at one point, says she was open to having a child, but later changed her view after considering her inability to care for a child in her current station in life.”
@KRD That doesn’t answer my question. What equal punishment would you impose on the person who impregnated her??? You have made it clear that you think it’s fine to impose a seriously punishing, long-term, physical hardship on a young woman, but what about the donor of the sperm?
Yeah, they never have an answer. Ugh.
It’s all about punishing the woman, or the girl, for being a whole. A SINNER!
The Bible has the answer: Force the rapist to marry his victim.
Here is a great idea: Transplant the fetus into the rapist, and let it grow until it ruptures his innards and he dies an agonising death.
Actually, in the Jewish religion, life does not begin until the baby is born and the health and well being of the mother takes precedence over the fetus.
A synagogue in Florida is suing the state for its anti-abortion legislation because it violates their freedom of religion!
@janbb
IMO Judaism is the least patriarchal and most humane of the Abrahamic religions, so that doesn’t surprise me.
It would be great if that synagogue won its suit big time, and an award had to be paid by DeathSantis and his campaign fund.
However, I guess it would more likely result in no financial award, and instead some modification of FL’s abortion policy.
^^ I’ll take that if it happens but it will probably end up at the Supreme Court and then we’ll see what hypocrisy reigns there.
No one is imposing anything on the girl, read the fucking details.
“The trial judge denied the petition but explicitly left open the availability of further proceedings by saying that the “Court finds [the minor] may be able, at a later date, to adequately articulate her request, and the Court may re-evaluate its decision at that time.”
“the trial court wanted to give the minor, who was under extra stress due to a friend’s death, additional time to express a keener understanding of the consequences of terminating a pregnancy. This makes some sense given that the minor, at least at one point, says she was open to having a child, but later changed her view after considering her inability to care for a child in her current station in life.”
No one is forcing her to give birth.
@cheebdragon She is at 10 weeks pregnant and the limit for abortions currently is 15 weeks. what court in the land would she be able to petition and get a decision and an abortion within the next five weeks? By default she is being forced to have the baby.
@janbb Florida requires a ruling and written decision to be issued within 3 days of receiving a petition to bypass consent for abortion. The minor wrote that her guardian “was fine” with the minor’s decision. This statement was written in the section of the form petition related to whether it was in the “best interest of the minor” for a parent/guardian to not be notified, which was out of place on the form but not a basis to disregard the apparent possibility of guardian consent. If the minor’s guardian consents to the minor’s termination of her pregnancy, all that is required is a written waiver from the guardian. § 390.01114(4)(b)2., Fla. Stat. Such a written waiver would be self-executing, meaning that the minor need not invoke the judicial bypass procedure at all.
Florida is not responsible for her failure to request written consent from her guardian.
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