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In your opinion do you think Putin will withdraw from Ukraine without achieving his goal?

Asked by SQUEEKY2 (23425points) February 26th, 2023

Is he secretly hoping for world war three?
The financial cost to Russia has to be staggering, not to mention the human life lost.

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chyna's avatar

No. He wants to die being a hero in his mind. And that means he will stop at nothing to rule the world.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

He’ll die first before giving up his quest to conquer Ukraine. Maybe the head of Russian Church will make sure he gets into heaven . . . I hope he rots in Hell.

Entropy's avatar

I think that before you answer that question, you have to first figure out what his REAL goal is, because he’s shotgunned so many rationale’s into the air from denazification to buffer state to sticking one in NATO’s eye to nationalist claims to Ukraine being a historical part of Russia to whatever else, that you can kind of pick whatever appeals to you.

Personally, my feeling is that the two MAIN drivers of this are:
1) Sevastopol naval base. The Ukrainians in 2014 had announced that they would not renew his lease on it. He invaded two months later.
2) Intimidate other satellite states who might be thinking of ejecting their puppet leader like Ukraine did with Yanukovich…who escaped to Russia with basically the entire Ukrainian treasury when he fled.

Now obviously (and justly), the Ukrainians won’t accept a peace where Putin keeps Crimea, so #1 is unachievable. #2 is a bit more complex because while Russia has imposed a MASSIVE cost on Ukraine, the cost it’s paid has been just as dire. Any satellite pondering breaking away from Russia has to ask if that’s a cost they’d be willing to pay for freedom and self-determination. And I wouldn’t blame them for deciding it’s not. And Ukraine has had the benefit of being the darling of western nations. If you’re Uzbekistan…you probably can’t rely on similar benefits.

If Putin were weighing this rationally, he’d have to recognize that he’s already lost this war. He only gets to control how and when he loses. And it’s better to lose now rather than later. Putin could propose a peace deal where the war ends now, Ukraine gets all of it’s land, but Putin escapes justice and no reparations. Faced with the choice of the war grinding on for years, there’s at least a chance Zelensky accepts such a deal.

Putin could then go to his population and claim that it was incompetence and corruption in the military that caused all of this….especially the Wagner group that took all the best stuff for themselves. He could then show the glamorous Wagner HQ and what not. Prighozin would have to be executed, and other Wagners rounded up, but this scapegoating might be enough for Putin to survive.

But that’s the problem – right now, I think Putin thinks that taking the L on Ukraine, ESPECIALLY losing Crimea (it’s a very symbolic thing to Russia) would cost him his job. And when you’re someone like Putin, when you lose your job, you’re probably in a pine box. Under this view, this war is LITERALLY life and death for Putin.

This is why I think it’s vitally important for Ukraine to cut the land bridge that allows Russia to supply Ukraine by driving to Melitipol, and then beginning the seige of Crimea. Until Sevastopol is out of his hands, I think Putin will remain convinced that he CAN win. The west hemming and hawwing over every weapon system only reinforces the thread of hope Putin clings to. We need to him to see that he can’t win. Once he does, then and only then can he start making rational decisions.

Putin is NOT hoping for WW3. Putin thought this battle would be his Persian Gulf. A quick, easy action where he overwhelmed a less organized, less motivated, technologically inferior opponent. Instead, he got punched in the mouth and doesn’t know what to do now. His men die by the hundreds to capture meters of territory even when they break through Ukrainian lines because they lack the operational and logistical capabilities to capitalize on opportunities. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians have THREE TIMES NOW, taken back huge swathes of territory.

The Russian military can’t equip it’s men with basic body armor. They are NOT prepared for a battlefield with nuclear fallout on it. They don’t have the protective gear. Putin’s nuclear sabre rattling is 100% bluff.

In term of costs, first remember that Putin doesn’t care about the lives of his soldiers. Indeed, he BENEFITS from them getting killed as the mobilization concsription focussed on non-Russian ethnic groups and known dissidents. Everyone who was skeptical of the regime is either in jail, at the front line, or has fled Russia. For a dictator…that’s a triple win.

But also, in terms of economics, so far, Putin has done a marvelous job of hiding the economic pain from the average Russian. Life in most of western Russia is pretty normal. There are still shops open, concerts happen, events, etc. The real economic pain is taking time to work off the buffer Putin put up to ‘sanction proof’ his economy. It’s coming, but the average Russian hasn’t felt it yet.

ragingloli's avatar

I doubt it.
I think he will have to die/be overthrown before the Russians even think about giving up.

JLoon's avatar

Putin is a deluded and corrupt dictator who puts his personal survival and private wealth before the norms of international law, or the interests of the Russian people.

He can never simply withdraw from the disaster in Ukraine, even though the failure is obvious even to his few allies. But he can be eliminated…

Dig_Dug's avatar

Putin must take the Ukraine in order to maintain his world power status with the oil and gas reserves. If he loses the Ukraine his time is numbered as leader of Russia. Of course the UK could help that along by buying their gas and oil elsewhere.

JLeslie's avatar

Maybe Putin makes a deal that Ukraine will not be in NATO or the EU. Regarding Crimea, I don’t know. Maybe Crimea is a sticking point that will mean my suggestion will not be enough for peace.

kritiper's avatar

No. He would lose face if he backs out now.

kritiper's avatar

I surmise Putin wants to be a BIG MAN in history. Like Khrushchev and Stalin.

ragingloli's avatar

There is a good argument to be made, that Putin has already lost, even if he manages to conquer Ukraine eventually.
He wanted to fracture Nato and stop its expansion. He has achieved the exact opposite.
He lost the gas trade with the west on a long term basis.
Sanctions are weakening Russia’s economy.
Hundreds of thousand of people have fled Russia since the start of the war, in addition to the hundreds of thousands that have been killed in Ukraine. That lack of manpower will have adverse effects on their economy moving forwards.
They have lost tremendous amounts of military hardware in the war so far, and it will take them decades to replenish their stocks.
Their embarassing performance in Ukraine has shattered their international image as a military superpower. This will also negatively affect any exports of military equipment.
All in all, any aspirations he had of being memorialised as being one of Russia’s great leaders is already in the dumpster, and he is on borrowed time.

JLeslie's avatar

@ragingloli I wonder how his supporters in Russia view him and the situation. I wonder what Russia will write in their history books about it.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

He lost; the second week of March 2022, when he met greater resistance than his failed military could handle !

jca2's avatar

I think the prospect of China helping Russia is scary and can lead to some scary consequences.

Dig_Dug's avatar

@jca2 That would be cause for a world wide panic!

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