Why should we be expected to accept Tucker's video of Jan 6 as the real deal of what happened?

And if we believe that ,then why not old clips of Hitler relaxing at his mountain lodge laughing and playing with children, shows he was a good solid leader and an all round nice guy.
NOT one of the most evil dictators to ever live , responsible for the deaths of of millions.

It would be un-American to think the US wasn’t Gods promised land and that everything wasn’t perfect.

44,000 hours of video would take five full years, plus a little, of nonstop round-the-clock watching to get through. How many watchers would it take to accomplish that in the 2½ weeks since the video was released to Fox? I’m guessing that Carlson might have missed some spots. So maybe he really thinks nothing much happened. Gonna hang a guy for that?

I think there’s some leftover rope . . .

Carlson has a whole lot of video footage that the government did not want the public to see, that’s why. And be honest…which will get more ratings: showing people fighting and breaking things or showing cops escorting people around the capitol?

@seawulf575 I’ve been to the Capitol several times and cops have never offered to show me round. Nor would I expect a cop to escort me. Unless of course there was a load of heavily armed ultra right wing trump supporters trying to overthrow the government causing a riot…

We all saw it unfolding on our TVs that day. there’s no real disputing what happened unless you’ve drunk some Fox Kool-Aide. (And even Fox doesn’t drink their own Kool-Aide.)

I would NEVER except anything that Fucker Tucker’s video or Faux Newz showed! We all know what happened and who orchestrated that insurrection.

@Lightlyseared You’d think that was the case, wouldn’t you? However video evidence shows that they did, in fact, escort and not stop the “violent extremists”.

NOBODY seemed to notice; but, on January 6, 2021, when the attack on the Capitol occurred, Fox was showing footage of the sky & NOT the peaceful protest at the Capitol. I had been at the doctor’s office all morning & didn’t know what was happening until I stopped to eat lunch. At that point in time, Fox was the golden child of 45 & ALL right wingers refused to accept any facts other than Fox because everything else was “fake news”. So, when I heard the rumbling through the restaurant as to what was occurring, I immediately went to Fox so I’d have the TRUE story of what was going on. ALL they were showing were the clouds & the very top of the Rotunda. There was NOTHING showing what was happening on the ground. So, I switched stations just to see what was going on. That’s where I saw rioters bashing in the windows & crawling through into the Capitol. Rioters were taking flag poles & beating anybody who got in their way. This was in REAL time & unlikely edited to fit the narrative of those wanting a different outcome!!! WHY would Josh Hawley run from peaceful protesters after he had joined them in solidarity a few hours before??? 45 has declared Fox as a member of the FAKE NEWS & they have repeatedly BRAGGED that ”only a FOOL would believe them”!!! The Republican party has been saying for over 50 years that their base is too STUPID to fact check them & is willing to blindly follow. Now, if my ass had been hauled into jail for conspiracy to overthrow the government, I’d be damn if I would simply roll over & play dead!!! I’d be screaming that I joined a peaceful protest!!! PLUS…many of those people posted their own brag on FB that clearly showed they were NOT being peaceful!!! WHY were Fox employees calling the White House to tell them to get 45 to STOP the riots IF it was only a peaceful protest???

WHY did it take Fox 2 years to come out with a video showing a peaceful protest??? Could it possibly be that the edits needed were MAJOR & difficult to produce???

Tucker says no one who entered the Capitol had a gun.
When you are in the Army, the drill sergeant makes sure you understand the difference between a rifle and a gun (the second one refers to a penis).
Therefore, Tucker is just saying the people who raided the Capitol are just a bunch of dickless insurrectionists.

^^ Well he would know!

I wouldn’t take his word that grass is green and the sky is blue. Unless I poked my head out the window to see for myself. I’m not a big fan of KoolAide.

I just figured Tucker would know about the appendages of the people who raided the Capitol are just a bunch of dickless insurrectionists.

He’d fit right in : )

@seawulf575 I’m sorry, I was sure that what I was implying in my previous statement was obvious but apparently not.

What I said was that no normal person on a normal day would expect the guards in the Capitol building to allow them unfettered access to the building NOT that it didn’t happen on the day when a large number of armed people had stormed the building.

What’s particularly interesting about this is that of the 40,000 plus hours of CCTV provided to Tucker this is what he has chosen to show and argue that this indicative of the events and that it was all lovely and peaceful. And it’s amusing how quickly and easily some people are gaslighted into believing this narrative despite the massive amount of evidence to the contrary.

@Lightlyseared Except Tucker didn’t indicate that the event was all lovely and peaceful. He showed the violence and denounced it as well. But what he did do was show video evidence that it wasn’t the “violent insurrection” that it has been portrayed. Many, many people that entered the capitol that day were just wandering around looking at things. Some were even picking up things that others knocked over. They weren’t running around, they weren’t breaking things, they weren’t armed, they weren’t frantically searching for someone to lynch. I would suggest it is the people that continue to call this a violent insurrection are the ones that are gaslighted. They are being presented with evidence….proof…that the manipulative story they have been told all along is not true. Yet they cannot or will not believe it.

His selection of video is like just showing clips of the 9/11 airlines taking off from their respective airports or the instant before a car crash. See? Everything is normal. just people going on vacation.

@seawulf575 I agree with you that many people were not breaking things. And we even saw that one clip that TC found of a guy picking up a stand (that others had knocked over) . I suppose that might even have been a couple who were pushed inside from the crush. There were a lot of people who were in there doing damage. They were not staying behinc the yellow lines that tourists follow. The place was trashed, Police were injured, property stolen etc. There were others who incited and aided the rioters. THOSE are the people that should and will be charged.

Let me make a small change to a quote. “I would suggest it is the people that continue to call this a non-violent insurrection are the ones that are gaslighted. They are being presented with evidence….proof…that the manipulative story they have been told all along is not true. Yet they cannot or will not believe it.”
I have a suggestion. Change the channel and look around.

@LuckyGuy “There were others who incited and aided the rioters. THOSE are the people that should and will be charged.” Except they weren’t. Look at Ray Epps as a perfect example. Urging people on both J5 and J6 to enter the the capitol. At the point the first barricade was breached…whispers to a guy who then starts charging the barricade. Urges people to help attack it. Was #16 on the FBI most wanted list for J6 people for several months and then just came off without explanation. Said during testimony to the J6 committee that he orchestrated things. Yet he is not arrested, not charged, not indicted…nothing. No one has adequately explained any of that but those that want to believe Trump incited violence vociferously avoid discussing Ray Epps. We are back to the ones pushing for the violent insurrection being the ones that are gaslighted.

Hey Wulfie maybe the frightwing can blame Hunter’s lap top for Jan 6?

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s own words on January 6th contradict Tucker Carlson’s:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/07/politics/kfile-kevin-mccarthy-january-6-comments-contradict-carlson-footage/index.html

@SQUEEKY2 Well gee, maybe so. After all, didn’t the left wing claim Trump stole the election and wasted millions of dollars investigating him? Meanwhile you have Hunter’s laptop that has a lot of information that is coming out about Hunter and Joes dealings with Ukraine, Russia, and China. How do we know he didn’t collude with them to rig the election? And if he did, then they J6 protest was valid. After all, he colluded to rig the election so any action is acceptable, right?

@jca2 He really didn’t say anything different than what Tucker Carlson said. There was violence, that isn’t acceptable and those people should be arrested. But the entire crowd was branded as insurrectionists. And that is not true.

Meanwhile, while there is all this outrage and claims that capitol police were attacked, why were the media and the Dems basically silent when Antifa fought with police in Lafayette square? The set fire to a church. 150 police officers were injured. By CNN’s own numbers, only 114 were injured on J6. The press and the Dems called Lafayette Park “Peaceful Protests”.

The story coming out as the “official narrative” these days is almost always skewed one way or the other. And since most “news” outlets fully support the Dems and act as the propaganda wing of the DNC it usually skews against their political opponents.

@seawulf575 They were there to overturn the results of election. The election that took place on DJT’s watch!
TC could pick and choose all the few instances of footage he wants. The simple fact is there are 100’s of thousands of selfies and postings by actual participants saying that is why they were there. “Hang Mike Pence!” “They couldn’t beat him so they had to cheat him!” “We will turn this around!” and so on. Hundreds of thousands of video clips and photos taken by the perps themselves and posted on social media platforms owned by a range of outlets – Right wing to Left. (By the way social media posts with surveillance footage proved to be very helpful in identifying participants.). Clips shown all over the world but only briefly mentioned in passing on Fox.

So far about 1000 have been charged. There will be more. They were not sightseers. They were criminals trying to overturn the results of an election.

The sky is blue too, but if you pay me enough I will come up with an argument against it. I might even convince a few gullibles that the Earth is flat while I’m at it.

It is clear that there is no point even discussing this further. I’m not sure if you are paid to do this or are simply trying to bring traffic to the site. But I’m going out to enjoy the rest of my day.
My Dad used to say “Only a fool argues with a fool.” He was a smart man.
Enjoy the rest of your day – and the green sky.

@LuckyGuy The protesters were not there to overturn the election, but to have Congress roll the results back to the states to re-evaluate the results. A bit of a difference. They cannot get that to happen by storming the castle.

As for the 1000 charged, I saw the number of 725 which is a little bit less. Here is a complete table of those sentenced. Look at the crimes. There are a whole lot charge with Parading, demonstrating or picketing inside a Capitol building. These aren’t even felonies. They are glorified trespassing charges. That hardly constitutes “violent extremists”.

You know a lot of the footage shown on Jan6 was live, not edited to death like TC’s footage.

Also Wulfie if these innocent tourists were democrats ,you would be calling for the death penalty
but because they were Trumpers they are innocent of everything except for maybe a few doing a wee bit of vandalism.
But not to worry I am sure you will find a spin for the vandals as well ,to make them out as heros.
And we are to ignore live news footage of jan6, and except TC’s edited version of just an unscheduled Capital tour that day,and if we don’t you can always fall back on it’s all Epp’s fault that will work and everyone else is a hero, especially Tucker.

Fox’s version is some video they found in the 44,000 hours of video, of people NOT doing violent things . . . as if that means no one did anything bad.

Oh look, it’s a video of a criminal when they weren’t doing the crime, or a video of their friend at the same time, not doing a crime in that video – guess everyone must be innocent.

All the evidence Fox News viewers need.

Like I pointed out earlier there is an old war footage showing Hitler at his mountain lodge relaxing and playing with children,that must mean he is innocent of any war crimes ,or being one of the most evil dictators to ever live ,right?

@SQUEEKY2 I found the official Fox version of the J6 and also GOP approved version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

I want an approved version of Antifa and BLM antics. Anyone can play that game. Fine citizens those. Got a bad rap from Repub propaganda machine. They are both a harmless political action committee.

@NoMore Did you watch the vid? haha

LOL @Dig_Dug I told you they are all sweetness and light ; )

Maybe, just maybe….both are true!
There were moments of chaos on Jan 6th and there were also very casual strolls inside the capitol building. . gasp .~

See @NoMore all that other stuff was just CGI maybe they were making a new Marvel movie. The Avengers vs The Proud Boys Winter Solders.

And that ass clown in the Indian costume was just showing support for Native Americans, a protest against running pipelines for oil drilling on tribal lands. Absolutely. Damn old lefties and thier deep state plotters.

@SQUEEKY2 No, that is where you are wrong. If these were left-wingers, I’d be calling for those committing crimes to be punished and for those that weren’t to be let go. But I can understand where you are coming from: most of the violent riots over the past few years have been left-wingers. And I have called for them to be punished. There are three reasons for those calls: (1) they are breaking the law by committing vandalism and arson, (2) There are no photos of people standing around when the rioting is going on, and (3) They basically get a slap on the wrist, if they get any punishment at all.

Any of those people inside that building on that day were BREAKING THE LAW, weather they were violent or not just means more laws broken, and they are not charging the ones that were non violent,only charging the violent ones.

@SQUEEKY2 Yep, and many of them have been arrested…for trespassing, basically. They are NOT and I repeat NOT violent extremists. Yet that is what you want to brand the entire assemblage that day. And let’s look at some of the punishments. One comes to mind quickly the QAnon Shaman. You saw the video…he was very peaceful. He had cops helping him get around. He even said a prayer for the law enforcement that day and read out Trump’s text to stop the violence to the others. He was arrested and denied bail. He got 4 years in prison…and the video footage that has come out was denied his counsel for his trial preparation. Meanwhile the Arlington TX school shooter was arrested on 10/7/21 and released on bail on 10/8/21. Many of the Portland rioters that were charged with felonies and were considered dangerous were arrested and released without bail. Throw fire bombs, frozen water bottles, rocks, fireworks and God knows what else at Police and, ho-hum, let them go. So, want to explain the difference in how prisoners are treated?

The Q Anon Shaman had breakfast that morning. I saw a video of him having breakfast at his breakfast table. He wasn’t being violent then! I guess he’s not a violent person and committed no violence at the Capitol.

Let the Judge and Jury decide. If they’ve already decided the Shaman is guilty, he’s guilty. Just like a murderer being found guilty, is now considered a murderer, if the Shaman was found guilty of whatever he was found guilty of, then that’s that.

As for “lefties” committing arson and vandalism, that may be wrong but people breaking doors and windows to gain access to the Capitol, looking to “Get Nancy Pelosi” and looking for Mike Pence to overturn the election, well, there are extra charges with that.

The people who stole Pelosi’s computer? That brings extra charges. The asshole who had his feet up on Pelosi’s desk? Oh well, what a fool he was for being so proud of himself he had his photo taken and posted to social media. There was the proof.

@jca2 Wulfie is all upset because the lefties he said got away with it and didn’t get the death penalty, and his fright wing brothers are being punished,and it’s all the left’s fault.

@jca2 Again, take a look back. I’ve never supported NOT punishing those that broke the law. What I HAVE said is that their behavior shows the narrative that they were all rabid violent extremists was false. I have also posted video that shows the Shaman being escorted around by police. Those DO show he committed no violence at the Capitol. Kinda hard to commit violence when there are tons of police everywhere you go and you don’t try to do anything violent. But hey, you saw him in the Capitol so that must prove he’s violent, right?

I googled exactly what the Shaman was charged with and exactly what he was found guilty of.

Cut and pasted from HuffPost:

“Chansley pleaded guilty to charges of civil disorder, disorderly and disruptive conduct, violent entry to a building, and other counts at his November 2021 sentencing hearing. Prosecutors said he pushed past a police barrier to enter the Capitol and made his way to the Senate floor, where he shouted “Mike Pence is a fucking traitor” from the dais, and led other protesters in a chant against “all the tyrants, the communists, and the globalists.”

He also left a note: “It’s Only A Matter of Time. Justice Is Coming!””

If he wasn’t guilty of anything, why did he plead guilty to it?

~ ~ ~ “The lefties made him go to the Capitol . . . ”

I can hear someone claiming that is why he broke the LAWS

@jca2 Why plead guilty? I can think of a number of reasons. Being held without bail being the first. And how does civil disorder and disruptive conduct not get bail when a school shooter does? That brings us to another reason for pleading guilty. A biased media that has already painted you as the ring leader of the whole thing. How about suppression of evidence? Imagine what his attorney could have done with the exact same video footage that Carlson just showed? Civil disorder, disorderly conduct, violent entry…all disputed by the fact he is conversing with the police, they are escorting him around, leading him to the Senate chambers. Kinda hard to say he is this violent person when the cops did not arrest him initially, but rather escorted him around. So being left with sitting in jail without bail while the powers that be diddle around, taking their time to bring charges and get you into court OR take a plea deal.

Boy the justice system just isn’t fair to you fright wingers is it?
Have a little insurrection and shit they throw you in jail how unfair can you get,I mean look at TC’s highly edited version shit all peaceful ,only guilty of maybe trespassing .
Even reporters that were there that day say it was BAD, but no TC’s video shows the truth.
I am surprised TC’s version didn’t just show empty offices ,see no one here at all what is the fuss all about?

@SQUEEKY2 I know you are desperate to hang onto the lies you’ve been fed. Insurrection! Except no one was actually charged with that. Highly Edited footage!! Except…well…it wasn’t. If you believe it is highly edited, what was edited and where is your proof? Another Salon reporter that wasn’t present at the scenes shown?

What is your proof that TC’s version wasn’t highly edited?
His say so? your say so?

@SQUEEKY2 Just like with Hunter’s Laptop….if they edited it, it would be called out immediately. The DoJ would be all over this like white on rice. The Dems would be broadcasting the uncut version immediately just to discredit TC. The left claimed the laptop was faked. Yet they FBI had the original. Anything that was changed could readily be called out. Same thing here.

Ha HA HA that is so illogical @seawulf575 !!

Must be a Right-wing thing !

“When everyone else is crazy including the shrink” . . . I know who is really certifiable !

@seawulf575 The District Attorney doesn’t make accusations and then the defendant sits in jail. The charges go before the Judge, who looks at the evidence and the mitigating factors. Autopsy reports, witnesses, photos, etc. Then he (the Judge) considers mitigating factors. Has the defendant ever committed any crimes (rap sheet)? Were they violent crimes? Were they similar crimes to the ones he is being charged with now? Does he have a job? Is he a pillar of the community? Does he have the ways and means to flee the country (money, passport, house in Switzerland, etc.)? The Judge makes this determination and the defendant is not sitting in jail before trial without some evidence. The Judge may set bail, may order an ankle bracelet be put on the person for home arrest, any number of things.

Furthermore, if someone accused you of a terrible crime and said you committed this crime on March 12, don’t you think your attorney is going to request proof? If you know you were home on March 12, with your wife, or at the supermarket and there’s video evidence of you being there, and you were home, on the phone, on the computer, saw your neighbor, whatever, are you pleading guilty? Aren’t you asking “what evidence can you show me that I committed this crime, because I know for sure that I didn’t do it. I was home that day and I have a bunch of friends, family and other proof.” If the Shaman plead guilty, the District Attorney must have shown his attorney proof that he would definitely be found guilty, so therefore, plead and do a plea agreement, avoid trial.

@jca2 He plead guilty to obstructing an official proceeding and sentenced to 41 months. The other charges were dropped in a plea deal, most likely because the prosecutor already knew they couldn’t get a conviction on them.

I’m googling some more and see that the Shaman was the one who refused to eat the food in jail because it wasn’t organic.

Attorneys (DA’s and defense attorneys) negotiate a deal, which is like any negotiation – a give and take. Sometimes they play hardball, sometimes they back down from things, just like negotiating a contract, if you’ve ever negotiated one or defended someone who is facing charges (I worked for a union for over ten years so I’ve done both, many times).

Here’s the article I just got some info from:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/03/politics/qanon-shaman-guilty-plea-insurrection-jacob-chansley/index.html#:~:text=He%20pleaded%20guilty%20to%20one%20of%20the%20most,also%20face%20a%20fine%20of%20up%20to%20%24250%2C000.

@jca2 Yep, that’s how it’s supposed to proceed, isn’t it? Yet there are a lot of gaps in the system you describe. For instance, the protesters are arrested. They part of the charges going to the judge for instance is called the pre-trial. NPR reported this in April of 2022. It tells of protesters that were still sitting in jail without bail awaiting pre-trial. They can’t get bail until the pre-trial where all the determinations about that person’s background can be evaluated by the judge and bail set. 15 months just being held in jail. Yet a school shooter is given bail the very next day. BLM/Antifa rioters/arsonists/vandals are released without bail.

@SQUEEKY2 And I notice you have made the claim several times now that TC put out “Highly edited video” yet you have yet to show one whit of proof. Why is that? The talking points you’ve been given didn’t really have proof? Not required from the left to support their idiotic claims?

@seawulf575 School shooter is given bail the next day. Are you referring to the student in Texas? Your conservative, gun toting Texas?

Isn’t Texas the state where anybody can just go into a gun store with no background checks and buy a gun ? ?

I wonder if he has any money leftover after bail ?

Asking for a friend.

Wulfie , what is your delusion view of edited?
You watch your beloved TC’s video and it’s this scene than that scene, than back to another scene that is splice after splice to get to his desired objective.
here is the video that you claim is more honest than God himself.
https://youtu.be/Opy7MLGAPBk

@jca2 I was referring to the Arlington school shooting. And I see your compassion and concern stops at Red borders.

@SQUEEKY2 So all those snippets of the violence that are just cut and pasted one scene to another are just the same? So why do you believe it is more honest than God?

Meanwhile, you have purposely (at this point it has to be purposeful) you have ignored that I have agreed there was violence…repeatedly. Even TC admits that in the link you just posted. But you cannot admit that much of the trespassing wasn’t violent. Not without attaching caveats that actually say you believe they are.

@seawulf575 “And I see your compassion and concern stops at Red borders.” That’s a huuuge leap.

I googled yesterday but was asking you to confirm if the one I suspected was the correct one. Yes, it’s the one I researched yesterday. Yes, the 18 year old student/shooter was made to wear a GPS and submit to drug and alcohol testing after the shooting. His attorney argued that he “wasn’t the typical school shooter.” As for him being let out on bail the following day, you can blame the Judge for that (as those decisions are made by the Judge), which goes back to my earlier comment that people don’t just sit in jail after charges are brought by the DA. Whether or not they’re let out is up to the Judge. Apparently the Judge in the Arlington shooting felt that the shooter would be ok at home with the bail, the GPS and the drug and alcohol testing. If you have a problem with that, of course you are free to contact the Judge.

Read more here, in the right-leaning NY Post: https://nypost.com/2021/10/07/suspected-texas-high-school-shooter-released-from-jail/

@jca2 And you are making my point exactly. This guy killed people. Walked into a school and shot people. And was in court for a pre-trial and bail hearing the very next day. Yet some of those arrested on J6 sat in jail for more than a year without being afforded that same consideration. Gee…no pre-trial, no ability to get bail. Sit in jail until we get around to going to pre-trial.

@seawulf575 As the saying goes, “Tell it to the Judge.”