@elbanditoroso I can understand your point of view. However. Throughout history, humans have relied on hearsay.
Anecdotes, stories, pictures, drawings/paintings, archeological artifacts (especially ancient writings,) etc determine things considered “facts.”
The entirety of our accepted history is attributed to trusting what people have claimed. Especially if claims are evidenced by multiple different sources…
In addition, I assume that you (like me,) accept what is considered scientific fact because we both assume that the science is solid and survived scientific scrutiny…
So. In a way, your/our logic, is mostly attributed to things we haven’t personally confirmed to be true. Right?
Blurry photos, claims of all types of different phenomenon, even some unexplained artifacts, are more evidence than we have to confirm many aspects of our history. In some cases, the limited data we have is more extreme than claims of extraterrestrials, or the like.
There are many ancient monolithic structures that if I told you I saw, explained them to you and maybe even had a few blurry photos of or could draw what I saw, you wouldn’t probably believe. If hypothetically, nobody knows about the pyramids of Egypt but you meet me in a bar and I tell you about them, draw them on napkins, or show you a picture on my old phone that doesn’t take great pictures. You probably wouldn’t believe me. I wouldn’t believe the story. Massive ancient structures, made so precisely, of stones so large they don’t make sense to the era I claim they are from…
My point is, facts are often stranger than fiction. Could we agree on that?
What about justice systems throughout human history?
“Evidence” is rarely so accurate as a video of someone committing murder…
It typically takes gathered objects, scientific testing, witness testimony, etc…
A prosecution team’s job, is to prove that someone did something illegal. In most successful prosecutions, leading to punishment of a defendant, the prosecution offers pieces of clues, and witness testimony (often from just an ordinary citizen,) to prove their case to a jury. Right?
And. This is an acceptable way for determining (in some cases,) if someone is a murderer. Which can lead to a person facing long term imprisonment, or even a death sentence. That’s some pretty serious shit…
Again. My point being is, we rely on the same logic, same eye witness accounts, same frequently small amounts of evidence to determine “fact.”
If we dismiss that people have witnessed a certain unexplainable phenomenon, and/or other evidence of such things (even though we have not personally seen convincing evidence,) by that logic we should dismiss all historical data, and most verdicts of organized courts of law. All science, history, and acceptable phenomena is typically backed by the same evidence that most UFO cases are…
Dies that mean I believe everything I hear about, see pictures of, or even personally witness? No…
There is certainly a plethora of obvious evidence of “factual” phenomena. It’s obvious that gravity (or at least the observed effects,) is a real thing. Obvious that there are volcanoes, inexplicable ancient monolithic structures, birds, fish, water, wind, fire, doors, F-18 fighter jets, rockets, artificial/natural satellites, platypus, monster trucks, vampire bats, etc…
I would ask that if you apply the same logic you use to determine what you currently consider fact, to the “unknown,” you may come to the same conclusions as myself.
That is. There are things that exist, that although they defy logic, exist nonetheless. Even if only 0.001% of the crazy shit we’ve heard about is true, that’s a lot of pretty amazing stuff…
My personal beliefs on the subject matter of UFOs, is that most are indeed advanced/classified human technologies. Given the evidence of some, I believe that some of these objects are us, from the future. Others may be other dimensions/universes, or actually from outside of our world.
@gorillapaws as usual, your logic is solid. Except for one variable. Fuck ups…
If we assume that “ETs,” evolved into the space faring, highly advanced creatures needed to be capable of traveling here, we (in my mind) must also assume that they are fallible. In other words, their technology occasionally malfunctions, or fails. Which is when we are able to observe them, or find their wreckage, or somehow notice them…
Think about it. Dave the alien, isn’t the smartest alien on his interstellar vessel. Unfortunately for the test of his crew, Dave is in charge of the cloaking device for the vessel. So. Dave being Dave, accidentally turns off the cloaking device while watching alien pornography. Unbeknownst to the crew, who think they are invisible to a military base they are studying.
Bam! We got a video…
All life on Earth is capable of fucking up. If life elsewhere in the universe is anything like our lifeforms, they fuck up too…
Just as we would assume that they are three dimensional beings, we should assume that they are also capable of mistakes…
@luigirovatti makes some excellent points, along the same lines as me…
If I think of things that were mysterious to us, in my lifetime that aren’t now, I cannot dismiss at least entertaining most phenomena with a brief analysis of my own.
The Northern Lights (arora borealis,) was a mystery when I was a child (I’m pretty sure.)
With the use of our awesome James Webb Space Telescope, we are observing a massive amount of either unexplainable phenomena, or that we don’t understand the universe like we thought we did…
The future is very exciting. (I think.) Much better than the present…
We could one day master the secrets of space and time. Or. Be rendered extinct in a infinite number of ways…
If there are extraterrestrials here, I think they are simply observing us. We might be a great source of entertainment…. The greatest reality show EVER. All of us just a character, struggling through our mortal delima of existing, enduring all of the trials and tribulations that come with being a “lifeform.”...