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canidmajor's avatar

Would you feel safe enough to render a fair and impartial judgement as a juror in any of the trials involving charges against Trump?

Asked by canidmajor (21589points) August 28th, 2023

We all know that his followers have been fanatic enough to threaten and harm persons and their families who oppose him. Would you trust the system to protect your anonymity? I’m sure his attorneys will argue for transparency, “…the right to face his accusers…” and all that.
If your children and/or loved ones were threatened, could you not be swayed by that?

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chyna's avatar

First, i would do my best to not be chosen to serve on the jury for any of his trials. I know I won’t be impartial as I’ve already made my mind up as to his guilt or innocence. But the biggest reason is as you point out, that his crazy followers would find my name and address and hurt me at his behest. Or hurt my loved ones or their animals.
trump would revel in that kind of evil behavior and praise his loyals.

zenvelo's avatar

Jury intimidation is a crime in and of itself, and courts do not look kindly on it.

”...the right to face his accusers…” but the jury is not the accusers! And any attorney connected with anyone tampering with a jury will face discipline before the Bar and possible disbarment.

I could not serve on a jury of a man who violated his oath of office and did not preserve protect and defend the Constitution.

Forever_Free's avatar

First off, I would not be swayed by being a juror due to the thought of backlash.
I am certain I could render a fair and impartial vote.

elbanditoroso's avatar

I doubt I could be fair. I have been so disgusted by Trump and his lies, and his disregard for honesty and American values, that I don’t see how I could ever be convinced of his innocence.

Fortunately, I don’t live in Fulton County.

smudges's avatar

I would listen to the facts presented and then find him guilty. If that’s bias, then so be it. How can any sane person not believe he’s guilty.

No, I wouldn’t feel safe regarding anonymity.

jca2's avatar

The orange man will be calling for his boys to stand by and stand back and word will get out what the jurors addresses are, and it will be the boys intimidating them, posting their names and addresses online, etc.

canidmajor's avatar

@jca2 I figure that’s a given, (and anyone who thinks it won’t happen is being really naïve), but how would you feel if you were picked for jury duty?

jca2's avatar

@canidmajor I’d probably not be picked because I would say something to make myself not appealing to the attorneys. Someone in my family said he would say (not in reference to Trump but just in general) that he feels that if someone got arrested, they must have done something wrong. I would probably say something like that, so they wouldn’t choose me.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I wouldn’t be picked because I am not a us citizen,but if I was I would be scared of his base harming myself or my wife.

jca2's avatar

I think doing one’s duty (jury duty) is great but in the end, one has to think of one’s family and safety and sanity.

chyna's avatar

And one more consideration would be the length of the trial. It may take months. Most people don’t want to leave their daily lifestyle that long.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Safe, yes. I understand them and can match that energy if need be.
Impartial, I’m not as sure.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@chyna is right about the time needed. Back 18–20 years, I was living in the Boston area, and I received a jury summons for a Federal grand jury. Not the state, not the county, not the town, not the borough, but the Federal grand jury at that huge monstrosity federal courthouse on the waterfront.

This was about the time that the Justice Department was doing a major crackdown on the mob, and in particular the Boston-based mafia. I had to appear for the summons, and they asked if I could make a 6–9 month time commitment for the Grand Jury.

I had to say no – I couldn’t afford to lose the salary for that long of a time, and I had business travel planned, so they released me.

But…half a year or more is a major commitment and I don’t see how people can do it.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I already will automatically refuse being a juror. Always have refused. Always will. (I know, you can’t say no. But you can make a scene, and be quickly dismissed. If you have no problems getting mouthy with people, you can get out of most civil “responsibilities.”

It is my belief that our “justice” system is super fucked up. Hard to argue… I want no part in punishing someone I know nothing about.
I was always ethically twisted, when I was a LEO. That was bad enough, in that I was in many cases judge, jury, and executioner. That is not my “right,” in my opinion. For I am no better than my peers, and they are no better than I…...

Would I feel safe, if I were a juror? I think that’s what the real question is.
No. I wouldn’t. I’d want nothing to do with any of Trump, or his minions’ trials…
In fact, I don’t think I could trust almost any potential jurors. They are all going to be willing participants in a circus. What a mess…

elbanditoroso's avatar

@MrGrimm888 I’m going to partially disagree.

About 10 years ago, I was summoned to the County courts to be a juror, and was selected to actually serve on a jury. Not a 12-person jury—this was an 8 person jury in <county, GA> State Court. (Georgia does some weird stuff with how the courts are set up).

Anyway, the case we hear was a guy (probably 30–35 years old) who wanted a jury trial on a drunk driving arrest. Why he fought the charge – I don’t understand. The evidence was pretty devastating, the LEO was believable. His lawyer tried to get our sympathy, but the guy himself didn’t testify in his own defense.

Anyway, we convicted. 8–0 vote.

So in my one small experience actually serving on a jury, the system did what it was supposed to.

gondwanalon's avatar

I doubt that I would be selected to be a junior because I’d likely be asked what I thought about Trump. And I’d say that he is innocent. Why? Because he has not yet been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That thinking would surely get me quickly dismissed.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@elbanditoroso personally I’d consider myself fortunate, if you were a juror in a trial in which I could be in trouble… I hold a far worse opinion for my average “peer.”

I respect your opinion, and I would not want to change it. My beliefs are my own.
I’m not a “normal” person. So. I remove myself, from a system I don’t feel comfortable being a part of.
“Book ‘em Danno!”...
It’s just not my thing…

LuckyGuy's avatar

I could do it. I was a juror at a trial for a “gentleman” accused of felony robbery and other crimes.
Before selection his attorney interviewed each one of us in front of the accused. He knew our names, where we worked, where we lived, etc.
I was able to perform my duties fairly.
I will admit that I did beef up security quite a bit and was at a higher state of readiness in case any of the “gentleman’s” friends came. They never did.

Zaku's avatar

I could be impartial and do the job fairly, based only on what I was instructed to consider or not consider.

canidmajor's avatar

A lot of you seem to have misunderstood the question. Not “would you refuse to serve” but “would you feel safe”. And for those of you who so simply declare that you could be fair and impartial based only on evidence presented, well, good for you, but doesn’t the concept of your loved ones being harmed faze you at all? I honestly don’t know how I would react, knowing that the possibility of my child’s whereabouts could so easily be released on the internet. I would be less worried about the professionals than the crazies, like the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

But I answered it right,huh @canidmajor ??

elbanditoroso's avatar

@canidmajor if “so many of us misunderstood the question”, that’s usually a good indicator that the question itself wasn’t clear.

canidmajor's avatar

Not a correct quote, @elbanditoroso, but I stand duly reprimanded (although my point was not a reprimand, but a clarification). <eyeroll>

JLeslie's avatar

I was told by a friend a few days ago that in GA the jurors names are public record! I admit that would make me nervous as a juror. I think I could be impartial if the public didn’t have access to my name, but knowing anyone can look me up, I’d be pretty nervous. Too many violent fanatics out there.

Strauss's avatar

I’m sure I could play the game and make my judgment based upon the evidence. However, I’d definitely be fearful concerned for family and property, so I’d have to find a way to get excused.

Pandora's avatar

I would not feel safe. Honestly, I would not serve, not because I couldn’t be impartial but because I see it no different than serving in a case with a high-power drug dealer. They don’t have to lift a finger to threaten you or your family. If it wasn’t that most of these lawyers that work for Trump were not dirty then I would do it. But I believe these dirty lawyers who work for people like Trump or drug cartels have no qualms in finding out about jurors and leaking the information. If I lived alone and was sequestered then I would do it in a heartbeat. But I would not be chosen because of my connection to people in law enforcement and government.

tinyfaery's avatar

The very idea that humans are capable of being fair and impartial is erroneous in all situations.

Smashley's avatar

I could do it. I’m sort of an extreme centrist, institutionalist, and if called to serve, I would do my duty, despite whatever perceived risk from his supporters and detractors. Y’all are too risk adverse. The future of the entire planet could depend on you, and you’re worried about your safety?

jca2's avatar

@MrGrimm888 if you were a LEO, that in itself would or could get you disqualified by most attorneys.

SnipSnip's avatar

Safe enough? Sure.

Jeruba's avatar

No, I wouldn’t feel safe. But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t do it. It just means I wouldn’t do it while feeling safe.

I say hurrah for @Smashley‘s answer.

seawulf575's avatar

I’d not feel safe. If I voted against the charges, the radical left would come after me.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Try as I might, I can’t identify who the so-called ‘radical left’ is. As far as I know, the left hasn’t tried an insurrection, doesn’t have compounds in Idaho and Washington, and has no plans to take over America with a christian identity militia.

I think ‘radical left’ is an invention by the right wing to justify their idiocy.

smudges's avatar

^^ or justify their own radicals.

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Pandora's avatar

@tinyfaery I have sided with people I’ve disliked over the years if they were right and presented hard facts. I can do impartial so long as it is not something that involves a child. As much as I dislike Trump I would follow the court’s order and make my decision based on actual facts. If the facts aren’t there then Trump would win, if the facts are irrefutable then I would have no choice but to find him guilty. For me to find someone guilty of something and throw them in jail (even Trump), I feel the prosecutor has a harder time proving guilt. I would even reject voice recordings if they just presented one tiny line. I have to hear it in the context of the whole conversation. Let’s say he said in a recording I want you to find me more votes. Sounds guilty, right if it ends there. But let’s say he said I want you to find me more votes but I know you could never do that because I know you already counted all the votes there are. Then not guilty. Now if Trump said I want you to find the votes I need or I’m going to ruin your life and tell my base you screwed me over, Then that is irrefutable proof he was interfering like a mob boss by making threats. I don’t have to agree with the letter of the law, I just have to execute my duty correctly.

Sometimes that means criminals get away with crimes. But the flip side of that would be the innocent end up behind bars and I can’t do that.

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tinyfaery's avatar

@Pandora That you even think you can be impartial makes you less so than someone who acknowledges that biases always exists.

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flutherother's avatar

I don’t think I could live with myself if I allowed fear to cloud my judgement especially in a case of such fundamental importance. I would listen to the evidence, make my judgement and lock my doors at night just in case.

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Entropy's avatar

I would have no qualms with doing so. But I probably would buy some extra cameras.

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flutherother's avatar

What is interesting is that while the question clearly relates to Trump and his upcoming trial, we are all talking about Joe Biden. It’s a classic distraction technique.

I hope all the jurors can focus their attention on the issue at hand namely Trump’s attempt to subvert the last election.

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smudges's avatar

^^ Love your brevity.

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Tropical_Willie's avatar

Trump’s minions harassed the two poll workers with malice (the intention or desire to do evil; ill will.) What makes you think they wouldn’t do the same to jurors ??

Trump is running his mouth on social media against the DA’s, judges and anyone in involved with his cases. SAME WOULD HAPPEN TO THE JURORS. . . .

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JLeslie's avatar

@seawulf575 Maybe you don’t stop to even think about being afraid, because you feel very sure you would not find Trump guilty of anything. Now, let’s say you think he is guilty, then are you still not worried about it? That is the question. You need to put yourself in their shoes. Plus, as the trial is happening if some lunatic gets angry and violent, you might get hurt even though you were leaning towards letting him go on all charges. It’s not like Trump controls all of the lunatics.

Asking the question “would you be afraid” just requires a subjective answer of how the person perceives the situation. I get a little nervous when I do anything in public about being Jewish, you might come to attend the same event or presentation and not be nervous at all.

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