If Nikki Haley become president will the White Supremacists freak out?

I’ve never given worthy consideration to what a small group of dumbasses will get up to. They aren’t too bright, to begin with, so even our best predictions usually fall short of what kind of idiocy they can get up too. Decent people run the world, but too often they think the decent thing is to overreact to pieces of shit who just want to turn everything into shit and be the king shits of shit. Ignore them, they are irrelevant. They are going to do what they are going to do, but the power of decent people, and the powerful systems they uphold, will dismantle these people if they get out of line.

She can not get elected without the white supremacist’s support in the first place. She knows that, hence her hiding her real name “Nimarata”. Plus her handicap of being a woman.
She has to overcome the double whammy of republican core beliefs: racism and sexism. Which is why she has no chance, especially against the Orangutan.

If you did not know that Haley’s parents were Indian immigrants, would you be able to tell just by looking at her? I couldn’t. It just goes to show how absurd the idea of race is.

I heard that he’s floating the idea of her not being a citizen because her parents were not citizens, which he is saying some attorney has determined that to be the case. Interesting theory because that would make null and void the citizenships of millions of Americans, who were born to non-citizens despite being born in the US.

@Smashley Are you a white Christian?

@jca2 Trump is unbelievable. I don’t know if his fringe birther people are buying into this line this time like they did with Obama, but no surprise Trump is trying. I actually do a presentation on birthright citizenship where I live, and I personally lean towards not giving automatic citizenship to the children of immigrants without papers and people here only on tourist visas. People here on temporary work visas I’m not sure where I stand, but as soon as they get a green card their children would get the card as well and path to citizenship, and I fully support giving automatic citizenship to people with green cards. That would have nothing to do with Haley though.

@LostInParadise Maybe it also shows us again that the WS are not only concerned with the color of someone’s skin. The KKK hated Catholics, some even saw Italians the same as Blacks, but being Catholic was bad enough, and a blond Jew with pale skin and blue eyes was still a Jew. It’s the Democrats who started calling all people not as white as snow “brown” from my POV. When I was young people from the Mediterranean were referred to as having olive skin. I never even heard a category for skin color for South Asian when I was a kid, we just referred to them by country, Indian or Pakistani, etc. The Democrats are very focused on skin color, but the true racists go way beyond just skin color and how we generally think of race.

@ragingloli She doesn’t really hide that she’s Indian, but I agree looking “white” helps her. I know people who are Indian who look even more European than Haley, but it doesn’t fit the American stereotype for sure.

Which White Supremacists are you referring to? I don’t know any groups that put themselves out as White Supremacists.

White Supremacy groups and Donald Trump (google search):

https://www.bing.com/search?q=white+supremacy+groups+who+endorse+donald+trump&cvid=8ab9290c963c47689fbad3e86277f6f1&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDc5NjJqMGo0qAIAsAIA&FORM=ANAB01&DAF1=1&PC=LCTS

WS map https://www.splcenter.org/flyering-map

Plus, add the people who encourage the WS or don’t even realize they are supporting and encouraging them.

@jca2 You gave me a search results page, but after going through a couple, I still can’t find names of groups. The question implies there are so many White Supremacists that it makes up a large portion of his supporters. What the links I looked at from your citation showed was one or two people that the authors deemed to be white supremacists. I particularly like Vox’s take. Did you know the rapper known as Ye is a white supremacist? And did you know that Trump communicates with his WS groups by dog whistles? That isn’t proof of anything other than derangement. The did say that Trump denounced antisemitism and denounced WS, Neo-Nazis, and other hate groups, but then tried to hint that he really didn’t mean it. That is pathetic.

@JLeslie I appreciate the link and yes, it has some names. But as soon as I saw SPLC, I had to wonder at any of their claims. This is the ultra-left group that at one point was saying the Catholics were a hate group. Yet they defend BLM who rooked so many contributors and whose “protests” frequently led to riots, assaults, property damages, and murders. Sorry…limited use. But even the groups they cited don’t really amount to much.

Sorry but the question of “All the White Supremacists” is a bit of fear mongering. It really amounts to spreading hate and racism.

@seawulf575 I agree the website is left bias, but for sure there are WS groups out there, I don’t see how you can think otherwise. It’s not huge numbers when you consider the population of the country, but they can do a lot of damage and they have sympathizers who may not identify as WS, but they do plenty of scary shit and will vote to put WS in power whether on purpose or naively.

The police and the developer where I live certainly take them seriously and get us extra police coverage and security for minority events and when they heard some sort of meeting near us was happening.

@JLeslie I didn’t say there weren’t. I just really don’t know of any. They really don’t make the news much and when they do it usually includes something like “And Trump told them to do this with dog whistle signals”. Sorry, that’s crap. Most people are not WS. The vast majority are not. Most people don’t support their views.

Here’s a concept for you: BLM and Antifa DID do a ton of damage both property and bodily. There was no potential involved. They did it. Biden and the Dems supported them. So how come you don’t call them out? Why don’t you try to portray Dems as being supported by hate groups? After all, the DHS named their actions Domestic Terrorist Violence

The violence from the left is enormous. But the Dems and the media downplay it and try to not have it called out. Meanwhile, “White Supremacy Groups” are spoken of with horror and dread, yet they don’t make the news anywhere near as much. So little, in fact, that the FBI at one point had more agents assigned to ferreting them out than there were actual groups.

What About Hillary . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @seawulf575 ? ? ?

@seawulf575 I have been calling out left wing extremists since forever, especially when they cause damage.

Look back on Q’s and you will see me saying setting (small) fires at a university to stop Coulter from speaking at a university was wrong, that riots at federal buildings in Portland is wrong, that I supported curfews during BLM protests, the list goes on.

From where I sit the alt-right is much more organized about it and more threatening. Both are a problem though.

I think it will confuse the hell out of the idiots. They won’t know what they’re “supposed” to do.

I was at a volleyball game sitting in the stands during the time Hillary and Obama were running for president. An elderly man and his wife were sitting behind me talking about the election and the choices. He said “I never thought I’d see the day when we had to choose between a woman and a (n-word) for president.” He had so much venom in his voice. I was both shocked and offended so I just left.

@JLeslie I get it and apologize if I cast aspersions onto you. But even statements like “the alt-right is much more organized” is misleading. Most on the left claim they are “organized” because Trump says things that are “dog whistles” for them, telling them secretly what to do. ??? In many places that thinking is considered odd. And if that is the “organization”, it is pitiful to even worry about. Meanwhile, look at what BLM/Antifa did with all their riots. They organized many riots in many different cities all at the same time. Show me the riots the White Supremacists did. And no, J6 is not it. That did nowhere near the damage, last as long, or cause physical harm as what any of the BLM/Antifa riots did. AND, it was nowhere near as organized. Unless you count Capitol police guiding the protesters into the building.

@seawulf575 The WS is connected across the world now, they are like ISIS in my book. The internet puts all of these groups in easy communication.

In Southwest Florida Michael Flynn has a kind of training camp called The Hollow. Flynn and his cohorts are making it very difficult for moderate Republicans.

The Billionaire Dominionists are pushing tons of money into the elections and strong arming moderate Republicans to comply or risk losing their seat.

The left isn’t connected in the same way, nor does it turn on other people in the party in the same way, and as far as I know there aren’t billionaires funding the left extremists into power or threatening the lives of other Democrats.

Evangelicals and white supremacists embrace the most disgusting adulterer, liar, and hateful jerk who has ever stained the American political scene.

We can’t cater to their preferences.

I wonder which right leaning churches and organizations will fly a Swastika flags, if the Tangerine Turd wins in November ? ?

I just know they’re ”very fine people.”
-Donald J. Trump.

What the white neo-nazis think is about the least important thing in my thought process.

They’re mindless subhuman rats.

^^ True, but we regular folks have no idea how large they are, how much militia they fund, or what higher-ups they have influence over. They should matter to everyone.

@JLeslie Yep, the internet makes communication across the world possible. For lefties as well. You haven’t shown anything other that a bit of supposition that spells out how these groups are threats. It’s like saying that knitting groups can organize because they can communicate over the internet. True, but are they really a threat? How much mayhem have they caused? The same goes for WS. Yes, you get the occasional nut job that does something idiotic. But beyond that??? Not as much. Even the KKK isn’t what it was when the Democrats ran it and made it famous with their White Supremacist garbage. Yes they do the occasional march which gets news but how much actual issues are there? Basically none.

The reason I’m saying all this is that I’m getting tired of people acting like racist fools like this are a huge amount of the population that are causing all sorts of issues in the country. Those same people ignore the REAL issues like the riots that BLM/Antifa did that caused so much actual trouble. They are given a pass but the shadowy, hinted WS groups are used as scare tactics. It’s getting ridiculously old and over played.

@MrGrimm888 I used to have respect for you. Your TDS has shown you are getting flakier by the day. We have had the “very fine people” conversation before. It is called the Charlottesville Lie. They even gave it a name because it was a lie that was repeated over and over by every lefty outlet that could put it out. But it was a complete lie. This can be seen when you go to the transcript of the exchange where he said “very fine people”

“Reporter: “Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?”

Trump: “I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs—and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

“But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left—you just called them the left—that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) ”… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the—”

Trump: “Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides—I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say.”

Reporter: “The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest—”

Trump: “Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves—and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

Reporter: “George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.”

Trump: “George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down—excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?”

Reporter: “I do love Thomas Jefferson.”

Trump: “Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

“So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people—and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists—because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

“Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group.”

Reporter: “Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying.”

Trump: “No, no. There were people in that rally—and I looked the night before—if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people—neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

“But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest—because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country—a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.”

So he slammed WS and neo-Nazis what…3 times in just that little bit? It was the press trying to rewrite what he said and he kept correcting them. So they just wrote whatever the fuck they wanted to right.

Grow up, seek help. You are starting to show you really need it.

@smudges If they have militias and all that, why haven’t we been able to narrow them down? The FBI focused completely on them and came up empty. And if they have all this stuff and don’t use it, who cares? This gets back to fear mongering. Somebody has a gun so they must be another school shooter in the making!!!! It is foolishness. Think about it. WS believe white people are THE best out there. That is racist as hell. Laws cannot be passed to make that so. Does it matter how many people “higher up” support them?

Meanwhile, we are seeing a concerted effort to say White people are THE worst out there. Blacks are THE best. BLM pushes that. They have the support of many people higher up. Should we be worried about them? The only difference between WS and BLM is that BLM has pushed the claim that black people can’t be racist. And fools everywhere bought it.

If WS groups are so much of a threat of taking over, why don’t you see interviews with them? Why aren’t their “ideals” being pushed? Why are they so obscure?

I didn’t read this completely, WS connecting internationally https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/9780470674871.wbespm691

Marianna Van Zeller invesigative report on White Supremacy https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/shows/trafficked-with-mariana-van-zeller/episode-guide/season-02/episode-06-white-supremacy/vdka25839232

Also, we know QAnon was found in many countries and they are basically WS, even if some of the members don’t realize it.

CNN special report about the Billionaire Dominionists. https://youtu.be/7B3PTuADIHQ?si=V_lN0CSo49_mJOGO

Michael Flynn. You can forward to minute 42:30 if you don’t want to watch the entire thing, but I think it is worth watching. After minute 42:30 they start talking about his base of operations in Florida. https://youtu.be/lhRNDsLbOvQ?si=OvtMTRpbg2BOt4cp

Lisa Ling went inside with militias in America, but I can’t get that one.

Okay, so let me take them one at a time. The first one was an opinion piece that didn’t have evidence. It gave opinion of the author and of a few others as “proof”. Toss that one out.

The Nat Geo one I started watching but got tired of getting commercials all the time. I did jump forward a few times to get the gist. Again, not a lot there. I did see one thing out there that I thought was interesting, though not as Marianna Van Zeller wanted it to be. She asked a guy how he managed to migrate towards White Supremacy. He said he started looking for something, some ideology, that could explain all that was going bad in the world. She asked him what he meant by that and he said something like “Everything. Political discord, racial divide, economies going down, etc.” That made me wonder and I didn’t see that Van Zeller followed up with it. Is WS a reaction and not a cause? Is the push to tell whites they should apologize to everyone, that they need to pay reparations, that they are the cause of everyone’s ills, all while being forced to not only accept but endorse every oddball belief that comes down the line what makes a WS these days? And yes, the internet would do that as well. And here’s another thought: could the claims of the WS “threat” be another aspect of all the negative press being thrown at white people these days?

CNN I basically passed on. Started watching, saw/heard all their slant and realized it was not a fair look at anything…it is propaganda.

The Michael Flynn article is very similar to all the others. It is taking opinion and trying to make it fact. It doesn’t really dig into the roots of things. I did see something in this video that, again, I don’t believe the producer wanted to portray. A black church leader was preaching to her congregation about Flynn’s beliefs. Her statement was “And we are not going to let this happen. We will fight against this False Christianity, no matter what it takes!” That sounds like a call to violence, doesn’t it?

The interesting thing of all these citations seems to be the common theme. That WS is silently taking over. They take some nut job and try to extrapolate that to a world wide scheme. Yet throughout all these things, the common theme is not organized violence, nor even actual events showing the work of a world wide organization. It is the creation of this organization using hints and fear. Again, almost every example given are of people that have used “WS” beliefs to commit some crime. Individuals.

Yes, there are White Supremacists in the world. But your own examples show they are not very prolific nor are they actually doing violence as groups. And portrayal as terrorist organizations is weak at best. The facts don’t back it up. These claims amount more to propaganda than anything else. Claiming somebody that did something violent as a WS threat while ignoring the riots by BLM/Antifa is propaganda. It is pushing an agenda. We saw that social media groups have worked with the government to target only Conservatives and to protect lefties. Kinda hard to do an apples to apples comparison of terrorist groups when you refuse to identify anyone on one side of the aisle as terrorist regardless of the destruction they cause.

Oh! and as for QAnon? We’ve been over this again and again. Your own statement here even says it. QAnon is nothing except a lefty boogeyman. I’ve been accused of being with QAnon and I had to look them up to see what they were saying. You even stated here that people are part of QAnon even if they don’t know it. Think about that for a moment and tell me if that makes any sense at all. I could say you are part of a Nazi group, but you don’t know it. Does that sound even sane to you? Additionally, it seems to be only left-wing conspiracy nuts that even know about QAnon and who keep them in the conversation.

Wulf. Luckily, I don’t require your respect. I still respect your opinions.

I don’t need your version of history. I wasn’t under a rock.
Your version isn’t that wrong. Yes. Trump failed the American people, by not using that chance to take a stance against hate.
That moment was one of the catalysts for why the country is so torn apart now.

The white Christians are watching the country change. If it keeps on changing like it always, inevitably does, they will become a minority in the near future. That’s what this is really ALL about.
I don’t need the respect of people like you, because you’re a dying breed. A dying breed, desperate, and terrified to witness the role reversal.

You ARE the minority sir. And just because the system will let the remaining dinosaurs try to keep America white and Christian for longer than it should, won’t stop it from changing.
But. Change is inevitable. You can think I’m wrong about everything. But your eyes and ears see what this country is becoming. Christianity is circling the drain. White people who are already the minority in the world, will inevitably be the minority in America.
And as you know, in a democracy minorities have less power. Scary.
You’re scared, because your losing the ability to screw over people who actually deserve the power. I can understand that.
I see it as hope.
Yep. Strom Thurman was a powerful man. He’s now disgraced, and dead.
Trust me, time will trump Trump.

The right-wing militias in the Midwest will slowly lose their thunder too. They’ll be the new Amish. Their children will leave them to die in their boring, useless compounds… Probably to raise mixed race children, who will only know a church from the outside. As an archaic monument to an era that humanity had to escape, like a butterfly from a cocoon.

Proud Boys, stand by.

@MrGrimm888 My version isn’t “that” wrong? I just gave you the evidence. I just gave you the transcript of what went down. Let’s say that when there is one version (yours) that says that Trump said WS are “very fine people” and one version (mine) that says he didn’t say that and in fact condemned them several times, one of them is entirely wrong. The transcript is the deciding factor and….Winner!!!! My version isn’t “wrong” at all. That would mean your version is wrong. And that means Trump didn’t fail Americans by failing to take a stand against hate…he took it. That means the MEDIA failed Americans by making up lies…again. And that means YOU Failed Americans by perpetuating this lie even after you are shown the truth. That is delusional. You. Need. Help.

As for your evaluation of me, you couldn’t be more wrong. I fully recognize that throughout history the only constant is change. However, when that change is being pushed with lies and hate, I do tend to push back against it. So if you believe I’m the minority and you are in the majority, that means you fully support lies and hate. You. Need. Help.

You say I’m scared because I’m losing the ability to screw over the people who deserve the power. There is so much wrong with that statement as to be laughable. (a) What is your definition of “screw over”? (b) Who have I ever screwed over? (c) what is the “power” to which you are referring? (d) What group “deserves” that power? The questions just keep coming. Stop being an idiot…I know you aren’t. You are making shit up to try winning points. You. Need. Help.

As for “right wing militias”...same logic applies. What is your definition of militia? Where are these militias? What are they doing that makes them “right wing”? If they have compounds, where are they and what are their marching orders? If you are referring to the nut jobs like the KKK, they aren’t a militia. If you are talking about someone like the Proud Boys that raises a whole other line of discussion. One I’d be happy to have with you, if you stop believing all the lies and actually research some of these groups.

^I NEVER said I was in the majority. It was inadvertent, but you DID prove Trump failed the country there.

None of your “evidence,” can change Trump’s words, and you will NEVER be able to doctor that spin. You know full well Trump didn’t want to alienate his base. Nope. I have no evidence. Just common sense. And of course, Trump’s actual words, from his mouth. Not “translated” to make him look good.
Is it somehow lost on you that Trump (as POTUS) can only exist, in a divided nation. His only hope at escaping the punishment for his most heinous acts, is to become POTUS again.

Change.
You don’t like when it’s being pushed with lies.
Ok. Here we have what I believe is the honest root of a lot of current division.

☆Religion was/is being removed from public education. As it should, but I digress.
In addition, things like homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion and other things that Christians hold as important to there beliefs were being worked into society as being acceptable. This has been going on, for a couple decades.
Also. As civil rights movements have been allowing minorities to start living alongside, and going to the same schools that were historically white and conservative. I don’t care if you admit it. That bothers white conservatives. Yes. Yes it does.

And so, the conservatives started to panic. A black POTUS? I had to hear it all day, from conservatives, for 8 years that the world was ending. “Obama is destroying the country!” “He’s going to put us all in camps, after he takes our guns!” You’ve probably heard these completely unfounded and obviously historically wrong sentiments.

Trump came along. He played to your fears. Even fears he manufactured, or exaggerated.
He took full advantage of a scared, shrinking, but still currently powerful people.
He encouraged/encourages division, and dehumanizing those who are different. He empowered ALL bigots, and alienated everyone else.
The natural step following xenophobia, is nationalism.
He attacked the media to the point that people like you, only trust Trump approved “news.”

Trump gained essentially full control over FOX “news.”
It turns out FOX news, got in a lot of trouble. You may recall.
You see, a “news” outlet, needs credibility.
According to stories put together by various people involved with Trump (stories usually being told in court, or in front of congress,) paint a very consistent picture of how Trump responded to losing the election. He was aware that he lost, but he pushed “all in.”
FOX News followed him down that rabbit hole. How’d that turn out? Yeah…

Trump, and his “news” machine FOX, have ZERO credibility in the fact department. Don’t be mad at me broseph. FOX lost their ass. It would have been worse of course, if they didn’t throw some if their stars under the bus. The owner of FOX News was also smart enough to separate himself from the embarrassing and shameful relationship with Trump.

NOTHING you ever source, will outweigh Trump’s own words. That’s all I ,personally, have ever wanted him held accountable for. I’ve never gone hard on him for something I hear.
You have to admit, I typically avoid Trump beatdown threads. I don’t pile on, seeking “points,” as you opine.

I go after him, and his sheep, when they become dangerous to others.

Oh yeah. I don’t know “what” to call these large groups of heavily armed “patriots” in the mostly desolate Midwest.
I do some amateur gunsmithing, and occasionally have questions about maintenance for my firearms. I also order ammunition online. SO…
My phone bombarded my tictok with all of these videos posted by right wing guys, usually dressed in “tactical” gear. Always showing off their arsenals, discipline, marksmanship, and a common belief that a civil war is imminent. Because the ATF, FBI, and other US intelligence agencies don’t trust large groups of men with illegally modified, or excessive ordinance who live in/around WACO-ish compounds that they declare are “everywhere and growing stronger.”
They even have 20 mile “rucks,” and have tutorials on how to be less visible by night vision (like the US military uses.)
Generally. These men live to undermine the current system. They see armed conflict with US law enforcement divisions, and military, as a reasonable tactic to maintain their “way of life.”

After endless thumbs down, and even happily reporting some of these idiots I finally got to where I just see those videos once in a while. My phone thinks I support Trump…

Currently in Texas, local men are not allowing government agencies into certain areas.

There is a problem with these “militiamen.” I call them militia, because that what they point to in the 2nd amendment. That “well organized militias,” have the right to bear arms.
They’re real. They’re very paranoid, and VERY gullible.
Some of them are more public, like the “proud boys.” The ones that we need to worry about, are much more subtle. Until tictok, at least.

I thought it was BS for a while. But it isn’t fake. The likes, and comments on such videos point to a sad reality. White supremacy is indefensibly linked to Trump. And Trump KNOWS, he can’t throw these people away.

Anyone who sells their soul for Trump, is a “fine individual.”

That’s not presidential. It’s not American. It’s Trump, for the sake of Trump. The GOP clearly is ok with Trump destroying the democratic process, if it keeps people like them in power for just a bit longer.
You see. I look at conservative sheep, and I see a sea of terrified, spooked, selfish animals. All drowning each other, for one last gasp.

@MrGrimm888 So how did showing the transcript where he says specifically he is not talking about WS and N-N as “very fine people” does it inadvertently prove Trump called them “very fine people”? Or that he failed the country? You keep saying the same silly stuff over and over yet, as we see with the Charlottesville Lie, just because you repeat a lie over and over doesn’t make it fact. Goebbels believed it did because people (like you) would believe it. You say you want him held accountable for what he says, yet when shown what he says you say that isn’t truth. You only want to believe what you’ve been told because God knows the MSM would never lie so much, right?

As for all the crap going into society, that doesn’t make them good for society. It shows a decay of society. How did you put it? Yes. Yes it does. You do realize other countries are laughing at our foolishness, right?

But it is interesting. I used to think you had some good sense. We didn’t always agree on every topic, but you explained your side well. I’m going to rethink that. This thread has shown you to be toxic in your thinking, ascribing all sorts of thoughts and opinions to me. You have to do that to make your views pertinent. But in each and every case you are making assumptions and jumps in logic that are erroneous. You are painting me out to be a racist, sure I don’t want blacks equal to whites. I feel that all people bring something to the table and no one group is better than the others. But if you actually said that of me, the rest of your rant would sound foolish. Similarly, thinking Obama was a dangerous POTUS has nothing to do with his skin color. It has to do with his policies. But in your addled mind, if someone speaks out against a black person for something they say or do, it HAS to be because of their skin color. But let me take your view of Trump and apply it to Obama…I’ve only wanted him held accountable for his words and deeds. He never is. Because of people like you that throw the race card at the drop of a hat. You do that to shut down discussion on things you know you can’t support.

As for the gun nuts, let me ask. You cough up one example of a guy that shows off his arsenal and rants. Yet you are applying it to everyone. And you try supporting that by bringing in the feds on your side. You even say they don’t trust armed people in Waco-ish compounds. So let’s look at that for a moment. You are so scared of some lone guy or even a compound that keeps to themselves that you are willing to support the feds who, by the way, killed unarmed men, women, and children in Waco. Because they didn’t like them. So what are you really supporting?

^“You keep saying the same silly stuff over and over.”
Ironic.

I don’t “ascribe” anything directly to you. Fair or not, we are judged by the company we keep. I stand firmly behind how I “describe” American conservatives.

“As for the gun nuts,” ” you cough up one example.”...
Unfortunately. That is false. I mentioned a multitude of content, all posted by self-proclaimed Patriots. The content appears to show very real evidence of groups that are essentially training and preparing to conduct war in the US government. Unsurprisingly, yet equally disturbing were the sheer number of thumbs up, and content of the comments.
You clearly made no effort to see if this is a real thing. With the volume of posts I have to wade through, it’s got to be easy to find on YouTube. I NEVER applied that to anyone other than the content providers. But. The positive reaction by people who often coincidentally are Trump supporters, is what disturbs me.
I’m afraid you misunderstood my “fear” of them. Other than the fact these idiots will likely one day get a lot of people killed, I am afraid for them.

Apparently you don’t understand the dynamics of law enforcement. The FBI, is on my side, and yours. So is the ATF.

“Ruby Ridge” comes to mind, as I assume you are aware of at least some conjecture on that incident.
When intelligence agencies got wind of the guy and his family, they put on ghille suits, and essentially did a whole special operation on him.
For reasons (I don’t agree with) that I assume were meant to make an example of and deter people who want to reside in their own world with their own rules on US soil, they treated the guy AND his family as enemies of the state. Mr. Weaver was initially wanted for a bench warrant. Perhaps the FBI had seen Rambo 1st Blood, I don’t know. Weaver was a threat. He wasn’t complying with the law.
Law enforcement, as they do, went overboard and turned it into a shit show. The results were dead people.

The WACCO compound is closer to what I see people putting online. A Christian zealot, with followers, who were rumored to have illegally modified firearms. Which they did.
Law enforcement, in that case saw the incident as a organized decent. Which was also true, as their leader was brainwashing people into believing he was a profit. As a profit, he was a higher power, than the US government and it’s laws.
Mr. I guess I’ll have to take the burden of having sex with all the women, Koresh, used those people. The things going on inside that compound were not always legal.

US law enforcement divisions, have (in worst case scenarios,) access to US military grade weaponry, armor, and communications.

These videos claim numbers of hundreds, up to thousands of “militiamen.” All with similar red flags, to the US government.

The US government is like your landlord. It may be your property, but it’s subject to US laws. If they want to come inspect your compound, and they have reasons, you lose.

These yahoo’s can train, and stock up on guns/ammo, all they want. If they are dumb enough to try to make good on their declarations of fighting for “their” country, the US military will make very short work of them. I’m not afraid of those idiots. I just don’t want to see them turn the country into a warzone. A warzone where they all die. But not until lots of innocent people have been killed.

“You realize other countries are laughing at our foolishness, right?”
Yes. Yes I do. That’s why I mentioned the article about how Europe is planning now, in case the world has to endure another 4 years of the God King.
You must have pushed all the memories of how EVERYWHERE Trump went as POTUS, he was met by mobs of protesters. Famously, he was most often portrayed by a giant inflatable “Crying baby Trump.”
THAT is precisely how the world views your boy. A whining little bitch.
I can remember laughing, watching him at world leader meetings. NOBODY even bothered to talk to him after his first year as POTUS. Although he did have nice relationships with Putin, Kim, and Xi Jinping. Well. He admired them, and although they were always playing HIM, his ego told him he was playing them.

So. What am I really supporting? I’m supporting an emergency surgery. The cancer that is Trump needs to be cut out.
The fact is, the GOP helped put this idiot in power. They helped by selling their souls to Trump. Interviews from almost all higher ranking Republicans indicate they would love for nothing more than to be rid of him. But now they can’t put Trump back in the bottle. And they have lost a portion of their party forever, to the Trump disease.
I support people questioning those who profit from the lies they spread. Even if it means looking into themselves, and seeing room for improvement.
Trumpers always talk of exclusion, and never of coexistence. And nope, I don’t have to be a theologian, to see the “evil” in the agenda you help serve.
I don’t have to remember Mussoleni, to call current Trump a facist.

As I’ve said, I used to fly a confederate flag when I was much younger. Not because I support slavery. Not because I was racist. Not because I was a seperatist.
However. I grew to understand that I can’t support something that also supports things I deplore. So. With great humility, I threw my flags away, like 26 years ago.
It seems easily apparent that Trumpers either are bigots, or they are ok supporting them. Not sure I care which, as both should know better.

You are completely hopeless. Just remember…they won’t tell you the kool-aid is poisoned like Jones did in Guyana.

^The kool-aid is poison!?