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The goal of the SS is to shield the former President and whisk him away, yet he pops his head up and raises his fist, and you can see his lips saying “fight, fight.” I’m sure this is going to get him a few million dollars in donations.
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Was it fireworks and he had a razor ???? How many rounds ? ?
Six to ten ! !
Why didn’t anyone else get hit ?
Does that mean Biden will be open season for Trump’s Flying Monkeys on Sunday ?
^I have heard that 2 other people were shot. This from bystanders being interviewed so, grain of salt…
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I wonder if the shooter was hired by DeSantis.
I doubt we’re getting the full story on Trump’s injuries. Supposedly his ear was bleeding. If he fell, then he could have other injuries up to and including a concussion.
Too early to tell, and don’t believe the media’s first take on things.
I’m waiting to hear the gender and party affiliation of the dead shooter.
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After realizing he was shot, he appeared to simply drop, which is what the Secret Service tells protectees to do.
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Yep. It will likely help him no matter who the candidate is. It highlights the craziness of the left, the damage their fearmongering and rhetoric and lies have built in their followers…it just speaks to all the things the left accuses the Trump and his supporters of actually being committed by the left.
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@canidmajor I guess for it to be an interesting bit of theater that would mean that Trump actually suggested someone shoot him in the ear and allow themselves to be shot and killed. Yeah, that doesn’t sound likely.
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@jonsblond Yet the one that did the shooting is likely not a MAGA follower. None of the MAGA crowd do things like that.
@seawulfe575 Fearmongering and rhetoric? lol!!!!
trump jumps up after being shot and raises his fist and screams “fight, fight, fight!”
What a fucking asshat.
Don’t even pretend that wasn’t to whip his crazy followers into a frenzy.
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@chyna Per Joe Biden on Monday to his campaign donors: It’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.” Not to mention all the claims he is a Nazi (Dems have been claiming that of every Repub candidate since Nixon), that he is going to make himself a dictator, that he wants to do away with the Constitution, that he riles his people to commit violence, that he works with Russia to win elections, etc, etc, etc. Sorry, dear, you are out to lunch. That fist pump with Fight, Fight was to tell his attendees and anyone else that is watching that he is alright and not giving up the fight for this election.
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I posted that before I heard there were fatalities, @seawulf575. I don’t advocate for violence like you seem to.
I’m not your “dear” so remove that from your vocabulary. Condescending and ass holiness on your part.
All you stated is associated with trump, not Biden.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was orchestrated by maga and the extreme right to gain more support for the Don Father.
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@SQUEEKY2 I mean, if this happened to a Democratic candidate, conservatives would be saying “false flag! crisis actors! George Soros!”, so it’s only fair to label this a ploy to help Trump. What could be more helpful? I kinda think Trump just won the election today…
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If I were @seawulf575 I would not jump to the conclusion it was a democrat doing the shooting.
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@canidmajor When have I ever advocated violence? Never. That is something the left does regularly though.
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@chyna Yet you ridiculed the idea that the left could ever fearmonger or put forth violent rhetoric. You laughed at it. Talk about condescension!!! Arrogance even. You’re just butt hurt I clocked you on it.
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@elbanditoroso I didn’t say it was a Democrat. Though I fully believe it will be found to be a leftist. Some hide as Indies and even Repubs. That’s where the term RINO came from. But think about it: Trump’s approval is through the roof. Biden has no policies that Americans want, he is showing signs of cognitive decline, the Democratic Party is in shambles with in-fighting. With all the rhetoric they and the lefty media spew about Trump, it is most likely someone that feels they will be “saving Democracy” by killing Trump or some such nonsense. My guess is that if it is a dyed-in-the-wool lefty, and their motivation was to stop Trump at all costs, it won’t be reported by CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, WaPo, or the NYT. In fact, if the DOJ gets involved, it will be slow walked until well after the election. But most reasonable people understand what went on.
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The NY Times has been writing for weeks about wanting Biden to drop out of the race, so I don’t see any reason for them to lie about the shooter’s political leanings.
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@jca2 I can think of a perfect reason. They want Biden to drop out of the race because they want another candidate. But they (the Dems) don’t want to change their policies which no one likes. And all they have to run on is “Hate Trump”. Any candidate they put in will have to run on that as well. So the rhetoric and fearmongering cannot be attacked. And yes, the NYT has been loyal supporters of the Dems for decades now.
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That’s an interesting theory, @seawulf575. What’s going on with the election the past few weeks is so crazy, anything is possible.
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@jca2 That is an understatement. We are definitely in uncharted waters.
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@seawulf575 I live less than a mile from the Capitol building in Madison, WI. I’ve seen Trump caravans drive up and down my street heading to and from the building. A truck was in front of me with the slogan “God, beer, Trump and guns.” They rally around our Capitol with rifles. Democrats don’t do this. It is very intimidating and scary to witness in your own neighborhood.
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It’s crazy that Trump rises up while the secret service is trying to protect him (to their credit they rushed right in and surrounded Trump). Rises up and with a fist in the air is yelling “fight, fight, fight” as @jca described above. He is putting the secret service at more risk by standing up like that.
The crowd behind Trump doesn’t scatter, which I find weird.
I already have a conspiracy theory that it was a Trump fanatic willing to die and Trump had a fake packet of blood. I don’t really believe that, but it sounds plausible. More likely a fanatic who hates Trump.
I wonder if the bystanders who were shot if it was the shooter or return fire. Horrible.
If this assassination attempt happened a couple weeks before the election then it would have helped Trump win. But there’s 4 months yet to go and about anything can happen. Perhaps the next attempt of Trump’s life will be successful.
Good thing the shooter was a lousy shot. I read that the shooter had a rifle and was only 150 yards away. Trump was pretty much a motionless and huge target at the time of the shooting. Shooter was obviously a novice.
When I was in the Army I had no problem consistently hitting a human silhouette target at 400 meters using a standard issue M16 rifle.
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I just heard it was a piece of glass from the teleprompter thingy that cut Trump. Maybe the shooter didn’t notice it. I don’t know if that is correct, it is just what I heard. I am sure the story will change 20 times as more information comes in.
I just saw the video of the sniper who was protecting Trump, he took the shot almost before Trump was shot. I guess they knew something was suspicious? It was so fast.
This is really so terrible. Now, I hear the media saying people need to tamp down the rhetoric. Not the words they used, but that was the idea. Yeah sure.
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No it will not help trump. He will be worse than he already is along with his deplorable maga minions. And that will not earn him any symphaty, just more votes against him.
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@JLeslie I heard (2nd hand though) that too. Glass fragments seem far more likely thing to cause a minor wound to the ear, than a bullet. However then MSNBC reported “A Pennsylvania police source said they believe Trump was not struck by a bullet, but hit by glass fragments. But this myth has now been debunked.”
The NY Post reported the ID of the shooter, a 20-year-old registered Republican.
I also saw a report that Republican Congress“man” Mike Collins posted “Joe Biden sent the orders” on Twitter (the sleazy website stupidly renamed X).
I don’t know who shot Trump or why but it won’t influence the way I vote. I believe in the ballot, not the bullet.
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@seawulf575 You are very naïve indeed if you don’t understand that your passionate support of a political candidate and a party that advocate for violence is advocating for violence.
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@jonsblond Yet it was Trump that was shot and not by one of his supporters. I’m sorry, the Dems/left created this split. It has been going on for years. Trump supporters get maligned as being violent and yet there was the case of the New Black Panthers marching in full military garb, armed to the teeth with guns, chanting about killing pigs. And the Dems defended their rights to “peacefully protest” and said nothing about the guns. Rioters for BLM/Antifa burn down buildings and attack people and Kamala Harris rushes to set up bail out programs to get them right out of jail as quickly as possible.
See, this is the problem. The radicals on the left do all sorts of horrific things and they are protected. The rhetoric out of the Dems/left have gotten more and more violent. Maxine Waters telling people that any time they see Republicans out on the town her followers need to surround them and harass them. Chuck Schumer stands on the steps of the Supreme Court and says “I want to tell you, Gorsuch; I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price, You won’t know what hit if you go forward with these awful decisions.” Not long after protests outside the homes of several of the Justices start up, a direct violation of federal law, and nothing happens to the protesters. One guy was arrested because he was planning on breaking into Kavanaugh’s house to kill him, just like Schumer suggested. Yet a Christian father of 7 prays with people outside an abortion clinic and the FBI sends a small platoon of fully armed agents in riot gear to arrest him at gun point in front of his family and treat him like a terrorist. And the Dems/left run cover for the actions. When the Dems/left set up a situation where criminal behavior is not only accepted but encouraged from those on the left and minor infractions are treated as violent attacks if they are committed by those on the right, it entirely emboldens the radicals on the left.
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@canidmajor Yet it was the left that just tried to kill somebody. A person that listened to all the hateful, violent rhetoric from the left just did the deed. Here’s a thought for you: I just listed in answers a few examples of direct calls for violence from the left….you know advocating violence. Let’s hear the ones you claim come from the right.
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@Zaku Pennsylvania is a closed primary state so his party affiliation doesn’t necessarily mean much, although it’s interesting if he is truly a Republican at heart. I’m a registered Republican right now, and hundreds of my Democratic friends and acquaintances where I live are changing party last week through next week to vote in a local election. We literally have presentations in our discussion clubs telling people about it and what to do if they want to vote.
What stands out most to me is he is a young man. They seem to wreak havoc a lot.
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Just to point out that it was not “the left” – as @seawulf575 falsely states – it was a registered republican 20 year old with a love of guns.
Don’t believe anything stated by a Trumpist.
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@seawulf575 The shooter was a 20 yr old registered Republican gun nut. Not a Democrat.
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@jonsblond and @elbanditoroso Yes, I know he was registered as a Republican. He also has made political donations to ActBlue and never to any Republican PAC or candidate. And I found this when I was tooling around checking stuff out. Go to about 0:24 and see what he says about himself. And please note I have never said he was a Democrat; I have said he was a lefty.
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Regarding the shooter:
Bethel Park is a predominantly white, relatively well-to-do city in the southern reaches of greater Pittsburgh. The site of the rally, Butler, is about an hour’s drive north of Pittsburgh.
Pennsylvania voter records listed a Thomas Matthew Crooks with the same address and birth date as a registered Republican, though it was not clear from the records when that was put in place.
Personally, I’m curious as to why trump said, “Let me get my shoes, let me get my shoes.” What, was he standing there with no shoes on? just in his socks? or even worse…barefoot?
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@smudges I was curious about the shoes as well. It might be that he was, indeed, standing there in his socks. It might have been they got knocked off as the SS piled in on him.
Everyone can say a lot of ugly things about Trump and many of them are true.
But you have to admit the guy has balls. A bullet came very close to entering his skull and moments later he’s concerned about his shoes and maintaining a strong and defiant posture.
If that happened to me then they would be carrying me out on a stretcher. HA!
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I don’t think any of us can speculate the political mind if a 20 year old kid like this. He is probably confused about politics at that age anyway.
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^My youngest son is 20 and he’s
very informed about politics. He’s been interested since he was 13 years old.
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First off. I am very pleased that Trump was not killed.
Secondly, I thought hos fist pumping, was ridiculous. I guess he was bragging about the fact that a dozen secret servicemen were able to cover and carry him away.
That first shot, that hit his ear, he just stood there and grabbed his ear. Like a deer frozen in headlights. Perhaps, if he hadn’t dodged the draft, he would know to hit the deck when being shot at. Or. Maybe it was his “bone spurs,” that kept him from reacting.
Sorry Trumpers, this will not help him by one vote.
I have NO idea, why so many of his sheep think these things guarantee him victory. NOTHING, could be further from the truth.
Trump has his same idiot sheep, that DON’T care about him being a convicted felon, or sexual predator. They have NEVER cared how he pisses in their pockets, and tells them it’s raining.
Without question, the type of people you see at his rallies, frequently look like they are mentally handicapped and potentially a threat.
They open carry, often. And Trump is too stupid, to understand that his constant calls for violence, division, and the type of shit the Project 25 people are taking about, will eventually get him or his sheep killed. I do wonder, if the token black “Trumpers,” will be arranged behind him going forward. It’s not worth it.
I despise the person, who did this. They are somehow more of a coward than Trump, and his “poll watchers.”
I have to say “I told you so,” though. His constant lies, and attempts at causing violence result in people getting killed.
In this case, we learned that Trump may be Teflon in courtrooms, but that ear responded to a bullet quite badly. And obviously, it was a negative experience for his crowd.
It appears that the right’s constant bullying of left-wingers, and thinking that they are the only side with guns is VERY wrong.
I doubt that his sheep will take notice. Trump hilariously called for unity, shortly after the shooting. He was kind enough to thank God, for wounding or killing his supporters, instead of him. Classy.
I’ve said it before; people won’t just sit back, and watch Trump destroy America. Violence, is not the way to go about it. But. Fascist leaders, actually do face more attempts on their lives, than normal people.
I was almost positive that someone was going to assassinate Obama. Hearing how white people talked about him.
As I said, this was not a good thing. But. I have to think that this moment was kind of like the end of the movie 300, when Leonidas was able to graze the God King Zerxes with a spear, before his death. Showing the world that EVERYONE is mortal, and no man is above the rest.
Our nation’s pathetically corrupt SCOTUS, has now made a US president a God. All powerful, and beyond reproach.
Trump looked quite mortal, or even feminine as he was first surrounded by security. Once safe, he tried pumping his fist, to preserve some sense of his manhood. All I saw, was Jerry Springer’s audience waiting for their chance to chant.
I also wonder, if perhaps Mike Pence smiled a bit, for thr first time in decades, when he heard the news. It’s not so funny, when YOU are the target of misdirected mob mentality.
All of the crazy things he, and the Heritage folks say, is starting to finally bring out the crazies on the left.
As Trump will likely continue habitually lying, and trying to foment vitriol and violence, I worry that this is just the beginning.
Trump is VERY confident, that the US military, will do whatever he pleases if reelected.
I don’t believe that our military, will help build Trump’s Reich.
We now know, that ordinary citizens (in this case a pretty sad example of a assassin,) are capable of piercing Trump’s ear from only 300 yards.
One could almost think his security probably hates him like anyone else who has worked for him. No bueno Don.
I’ve been really cracking up, at all the fright-wingers’ conspiracy theories about the CIA, or other US intelligence agencies being behind this.
It’s simply impossible for the dumb sheep, to believe that Trump is feeling the heat HE turned up…
Nope. No help for Don. Although I’m sure he’ll brag about it, I bet that scared him very badly. I WAS hoping perhaps this would be a moment of awakening for him. Glad I didn’t bet anyone he would.
The left, regardless of what lies the GOP spreads, is does NOT condone this type of violence.
Again. I am glad the wind was gusting a bit, and Trump is OK.
That unfortunately, changes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, for anyone.
Fools on the right, thinking people will suddenly change their vote, are hopelessly stupid.
The REAL assassination, was Biden killing himself, in the debate. Now (why now, I don’t know, ) some lefties are calling for him to step down. UNBELIEVABLE. Personally, I thought Biden did what I thought he might. But Trump just told lie, after lie. So. I can’t possibly understand why that would swing anyone to Trump either.
It’s worth noting, the shooter is/was a certified Republican voter…....Ruh row…
Trump has NEVER, won an election. Not the popular vote.
He has done absolutely NOTHING, for his sheep, except empower their bigotry.
He’s also a 34 time CONVICTED felon. Trump’s dumb sheep don’t understand that that beats most “thugs,” or “bad hombres” with brown skin, that they hate so much.
He’s also lost sexual assault and slander cases, with YUGE fines, TO THE SAME WOMAN. TWICE.
Yeah, uh sorry, but being a few inches to the right, at the right time, only makes him lucky.
I hate to judge books by their cover, but my years as a LEO, lead me to believe that this guy was a lonely, unloved, and hopeless individual. I wager (sadly,) that he may have done something like this anyway.
The true lonewolf, willing to sie for his target. The hardest thing to try to protect someone from.
I will rack this up, to another failure of the American mental health care system.
But, it’s VERY likely Trump said something that triggered this guy.
It’s likely that Trump will, as always, make mote money off of his sheep. But that’s all folks…
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@MrGrimm888 I’ve been shot at before. When I first heard the bullet whine as it went by, I didn’t know what it was immediately. To suggest that someone should know to just throw themselves to the ground every time they hear something is silly. Yep, his ear got shot. But even then it takes a second to register and react. And that is what it took him…one second. From the time the bullet went by until he started going down was literally 1 second. I know you hate Trump and want to find some way to run him down (very generous and caring of you, BTW), but please, make it about something real. The rest of your rant is just as bad and just as ill-informed.
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@MrGrimm888 That was magnificent. Thanks. When you mentioned something trump said might have triggered the young shooter, trump’s comments about the military and John McCain came to mind.
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Wulf, I can guarantee you that if Obama heard a bullet wiz by, he’d hit the deck. Your idiot, was complacent. He underestimated how “safe“and “loved” he REALLY is.
And as I said, his typical crowd would have me thinking anyone could be a nut with a gun.
Nothing is more real, than fact.
I guarantee, his idiot parades who think of themselves as “the hard people,” would have NEVER suspected such a pathetic little wimp could possibly be a threat.
Republicans, are NOT the only people with guns. And even yiu have to be concerned that this pathetic specimen of a man, came within inches of hitting a head sized target at 300 yards, with a rifle that he stole and likely had little familiarity with.
I could hit a watermelon, at 200 yards. But it takes me a few tries, and I know my .308 well, and keep the 50 mm scope carefully centered at 150.
As a former head of security at large events, and even working executive protection, I promise you that the people who know about reality, are VERY worried.
But. Feel free, to brush it off.
You sheep don’t seem to understand that if you keep this crap up, THIS incident was just the beginning.
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@MrGrimm888 You realize you are victim blaming, right? He almost got shot and it was his fault. He should have known some lefty was going to go crazy and take a shot at him. But it isn’t the lefty’s fault…it’s the fault of his target. I guess it was Kavanaugh’s fault that someone tried to break into his home and kill him and his family too?
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You need to realize, that Trump is NOT a victim.
Supreme Court Justices, perhaps will have to think a little harder, the next time they keep protecting Trump, and clearly pushing this toxic, ridiculous agenda the right has.
What did your Heritage boy say? I’ll be fine, as long as I don’t resist? Well. A 20 year old basement dweller, JUST resisted.
And.
Like I said. Zerxes, does bleed, and now the world knows it.
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^Where did he state that?
I am not saying it is untrue, but I have not come across this claim yet. What is the source?
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I just read that the $15 donation was made by a 69 year old man in Pennsylvania with the same name. It wasn’t made by the shooter.
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@gondwanalon Why couldn’t someone be a Republican and say he hates Republicans and Trump?
@Demosthenes This is where:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hscfQlBqDpw&t=2s
But is it true? I don’t know. It seems reasonable because why would a Republican hate Republicans enough to open fire on them with a semiautomatic rifle?
I can’t believe anything nowadays. I’m so tired of the slime that’s constantly being fed to me.
Hope that you all are well. Stay strong.
@mazingerz88 It’s possible. But I don’t know how the hate could be so great to drive him to try to assassinate Trump while firing at innocent Republicans.
One out of control evil SOB I suppose.
Or the shooter was actually something else. Perhaps the real truth will never be know to us minions.
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^^What’s interesting to me is people probably would assume right away that he took shots at trump for the same reasons why non-Republicans hate trump.
What if he took shots at trump because in his mind trump is not a true Republican and conservative enough to be one?
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I wouldn’t hold your breath on that @chyna right now it’s all about the Don Father.
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According to Snopes.com, the shooter was a republican, but “the motives of the would-be assassin were still unclear as of this writing. We also fact-checked the claim that the shooter donated to a political action committee that supports the Democratic Party [ActBlue] and found it to be true.”
as an aside, I found an interesting website while browsing snopes called www.opensecrets.org “Following the Money in Politics”
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Wulf. I’m not sure how many people surrounding Trump were hit. I know one person sadly died. Others were injured.
I do consider those people victims. Victims of being brainwashed by Trump/and Co, constantly feeding the public lies. It’s VERY possible, that if Trump was not allowed to run, as he clearly shouldn’t have been able to, that this shooting would never have happened.
Donald Trump, is a 34 time convicted felon. A sexual predator who brags about assaulting young women.
He is a lifelong criminal.
He is currently attempting to undermine and destroy the American government.
His lies HAVE caused other public shootings, ALL Trumpers.
He is escaping justice, through illegal and invalid ways. (Remember, one of Trump’s appointed yesmen was stolen from Obama.)
Judges Alito, and Thomas are not even close to unbiased. They should recuse themselves, but coincidentally there is ZERO oversight for these lifelong parts of the highest court in the country.
It’s difficult for me to believe Kavanagh would have been okayed in ANY other time.
Trump (again,) is not, never has been, a victim.
He’s been heavily involved in promoting violence, and using terms like “blood bath,” and “fight like Hell,” to cause something EXACTLY like this.
Unfortunately your stable genius, lit a fire under the wrong guy.
That’s called Karma…
When you sheep foolishly spread his lies, things like J6, and this happen.
That’s why it’s SO important NOT to spread fake news. Trumpers on average, have very poor reasoning skills. And they are entitled, scared, fascists, with no life.
Trump pounded the podium, for violence. He got it. I can’t call him a victim, under almost any circumstances.
Unless you think he was a victim of getting over $400M, as a young, stupid man, and turning into a bad person. Like Hunter Biden, G W.Bush, and countless people who allowed their affluence to shape them into a piece of shit.
I didn’t feel bad, watching Omar Gaddafi get stabbed in his asshole, as his people rightfully tore him apart, for his crimes.
I don’t feel bad, for Trump.
As I said, I’m genuinely glad Trump wasn’t killed.
But mainly, that’s because Trump should fall in November, in a fair election. As he always has. Then he can blab away, on his worthless media platform, until one day he chokes on a McDonald’s kids meal with LOTS of ketchup.
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@MrGrimm888 Got it. So if someone is rich and you don’t like them, whatever happens to them is okay….they aren’t a victim. So if the daughter of a rich person gets raped and she was annoying anyway, that’s okay…she deserved it. Isn’t that your logic?
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^You miss the point more often, than me trying to thread a needle.
Trump keeps calling for violence, he got it.
As far as rich people being a target of hate, why do you hate Hunter Biden so much? Or Hillary?
As far as logic, if the girl is raped by Trump, yes she deserved it. According to you, and the other sheep.
Your selective reasoning, and hypocritical logic, simply further galvanize you as a biased voice.
And you have a terrible problem with facts, that don’t support your arguments.
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“Trump keeps calling for violence, he got it.” And yet it was Biden that just days before this event happened announced it was “time to put Trump in a bullseye”. Yeah, go ahead and victim blame some more. I pray you are never the victim of a horrific crime and then people come out telling you how you are to blame.
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^I was wondering when you would hear that on FOX.
One day you guys say Biden doesn’t know where he is. The next day, he’s a mastermind, behind the biggest conspiracy in history.
Again. Trump is not, never has been a victim.
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Biden said it. He is demented, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t echo what he has heard.
And I ask again, what does someone have to go through before you consider them a victim?
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^What’s a victim? E. Jean Carroll?
If the nation held Trump to the standards of a janitor, he’d never push a mop in this country.
Trumpers, are victims.
Again. Trump is not, never has been a victim.
If you’re going to start reeling off all the moronic crap I’ve seen your sheep talking about online, I would rather just end this.
Because all common sense, has left the thread.
The shit yall can manage to be logically impaired to, is quite telling of the people putting it out.
Trump called for violence. He got it.
In poker terms, Trump got his bluff called.
NOW, some conservatives are calling for unity.
All the scared little sheep, can’t comprehend reality.
Remember John Hinkley?
There are a LOT of crazy mofos, out there. Trump rallies really bring a bunch of loonies out.
Trumpers just can’t believe that their God King, almost parished in front of their lazy eyes. Killed by the guy who looks like he couldn’t change a tire.
The Uvalde shooting, comes to mind. Sometimes, the good guys are too slow, or have poor leadership, or just had a bad moment.
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Why is Carroll a victim? What makes her a victim? She put herself in the position she claims led to her attack. Please note there never was a case of SA brought against Trump and her story was never proven. Trump was not charged with SA, he was charged with defamation because he dared to deny what she alleged happened. As you bozos on the left love to say, There’s no proof it happened!! But please, let’s get back to the actual matter…what makes her a victim?
This actually ties back to the original question. The question was whether an assassination attempt helps Trump or not. Most sane people recognize the wrongness of someone trying to kill someone else. But not Never-Trumpers! They victim blame. And the rest of the country sees that and move even farther away from the Dems and the left. No one wants to be seen as being that callous and deranged.
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Okay I understand your logic @seawulf575 – - all women that are raped or abused are ASKING FOR IT ! !
Your wannabe King is an sexual abuser and you would not leave your wife, in a bikini, in the same room as Trump!
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@Tropical_Willie No, you obviously don’t understand my logic. The logic you are identifying is what @MrGrimm888 uses when it comes to Trump. By his logic, anyone that gets shot is not a victim OR if he feels that someone had it coming, they are not a victim either. My point was that he really can’t or won’t identify what a victim is without going into a rant about Trump. He is victim blaming Trump for getting shot. THAT is my logic.
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^Incorrect.
Actually. I VERY effectively proved my point about YOUR biases.
You responded, exactly as I predicted.
I hope that you can see the error in your ways, through this example.
Trump likely has MANY such victims, as he has bragged about his treatment of women.
One of your sheep’s biggest issue right now, is they say Trump had too many women in his Secret Service team.
I KNOW you must have seen this wise assessment of how Trump was almost killed.
It’s a conspiracy. No. It’s The CIA. No. It’s the women who were involved in Trump’s protection.
Nothing seems TOO ridiculous. And yet, each stupid theory contradicts the others.
Was Bin Laden, a “victim?”
Gaddafi? Sadam?
These people were fomenting violence. And eventually, the violence reached them…
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@MrGrimm888 So what makes them victims? What is a victim?
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Trump has always acted like a bully, and has called for violence because he is a coward, and is hoping his sheep do the violence part.
His calls got him almost killed.
As someone answered him directly.
Have you perhaps wanted to clarify, why Jean is not a victim?
Sounds like you think it’s circumstantial as well.
Except Trump, literally asked for it.
You sheep can’t pout, because you keep fucking yourselves, by supporting Trump.
How many of you have gone to jail or prison, over him?
Including other leaders, and high level attorneys? Not just the J6ers…
There are many victims. Victims of Trump.
Even the shooter would still be alive, if Trump was in court right now, where he belongs…
Trump is not, has never been a victim.
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Ok.
When Donald Trump was bragging about grabbing girls and women by the pussy.
ALL of those females were victims.
When he raped Jean, in a female dressing room. She became a victim.
When he was recorded on his phone call, actively committing voter fraud. The United States as a whole was a victim.
We talked about the victims he created by slandering poll workers. And the voting machine companies that he and FOX (in turn,) lied about were victims. FOX settled for something like $780 million, to protect themselves from being a victim of Trump.
“FOX News,” is no longer even capable of being considered more than entertainment. Sounds like Trump’s lies, which they took as truth, made your party’s source of news, a victim.
And subsequently, as you repeat their lies as fact, you are a victim as well.
Pretty much ALL J6ers, and anyone affected by the insurrection, are victims. Victims of marching on orders based on lies from Trump.
I KNOW that dozens of the rioters claimed that they were victims of Trump.
Pelosi’s husband, was a victim of a Trump victim.
If you can’t pay your electric bill, because you sent Trump $100, based on his lies, you are a victim.
If you voted for Trump, in 2016, you are a victim. He NEVER did anything he said he would, because all of his promises were lies.
It would be very easy, to blame Oct7, and all events tied to Iran, on the fact Trump pulled the US from a diplomatic relationship with them.
Making the Israeli people who suffered and/or died, or were taken hostage Trump’s victims.
Subsequent IDF actions against Gaza produced hundreds of thousands of more victims of Trump’s.
Your fellow sailors on the USS Mason, were victims as well, as they made history by expertly protecting vital cargo routes.
The Houthis who have died in counter attacks, and any who die going forward, are Trump victims.
The US troops harmed in the region, as a result of strikes from Iranian sympathizers and/or proxies. Victims of Trump.
(I’m going to have to skip around, because I don’t have all day.)
The people gunned down in the small grocery stores, bu the hands of racist Trumpers, and yes the killers themselves, are victims of Trump’s calls for violence and division.
If you are one of the people who are feeling high prices in used cars, electronics, etc, are victims of Trump’s trade war with China.
The idiot sheep who depend on social services provided by mainly democratic programs, will be victims again, when (not if,) Trump gets to get rid of things like protection regardless of preexisting health problems.
As will millions of non-sheep.
There is no way if calculating how many people were victims of Trump’s exceptionally poor handling if the Covid pandemic.
Instances in which he ignored the opinions of his exponentially more experienced advisors, and came up with remedies like intravenous bleach instead, are victims of Trump.
For anyone who has NOT decided to receive FREE vaccines, because of lies told by Trump (for political reasons,) they are victims. Many are dead.
The loud Trumpers who yelled themselves out of restaurants and other public places for not adhering to safety protocols, because of Trump’s lies, are victims.
The entire nation, and world, are victims of Trump’s stable genius, during the pandemic years.
When Trump caught Covid, this us another example of him succumbing to his own words and actions. (Like the assassination attempt.)
Any/all people who suffered from the withdrawal from Afghanistan, are victims of Trump’s plans to do so, which were simply followed.
Not to derail, but ALL wars or conflicts in the ME, in the past 20 + years (due to US military involvement,) are victims of another republican administration. GWB, was a victim of Cheney and people like GHB, who 100% fabricated reasons to go to war, so they could profit financially.
In a way, Trump IS a victim of Cheney, as he also had to deal with the realities caused by those lies.
Skipping countless other examples, all if us on Fluther, have had to try and have sensible conversations with Trumpers who have nothing but anger for all of us who aren’t gullible or an empowered bigot, and those jellies along with the rest of us are victims of Trump’s lies and encouragement.
☆I’m not stupid Wulf. You’re ignoring all of the things I say, and hoping I will give you a definition for “victim,” that you can attempt to pick apart. Likely by using regurgitated FOX or right-wing media lies, and no doubt a healthy dose of poetic license which will be required.
All because YOU, fit the most disturbing type of Trumper. You are a willing victim of Trump.
Likely because this P25, and thongs like it, cater to your fears.
Fears Trump and his minions have lied to you about. Or over embelished.
If there actually is a Civil War which as I said, many Trumpers seem to desire, we will ALL be victims of Donald the one eared Dumbass.
Again. Trump is not, never has been a victim.
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@MrGrimm888 You have not actually defined a victim other than possibly to say anyone that feels they were wronged by Trump or claimed to be. You are obsessed. Please talk to your therapist about this. Show him/her on your phone what you write. It will be helpful.
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An innocent person wronged, or harmed by another person.
That a good enough definition for ya wulfie?
And I think Grimm did a great job explaining it to you.
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@SQUEEKY2 What about a criminal that is treated to police brutality? Or has their rights removed and is railroaded by the courts…Are they a victim?
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@SQUEEKY2 Would you also support vigilante justice? If the vigilante feels like they are correcting wrongs and protecting “victims”?
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You have not defined it either Wulf. Because you know I’d burn you down to the ground over your hypocrisy.
I stand by my words.
Again. Trump is not, never has been a victim.
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@MrGrimm888 You have not asked me to define Victim. The fact you are trying to use that as some argument against me shows how desperate you are getting. But let me help you. I find it easy to go to a dictionary and pull out definitions. From the American Heritage Dictionary, a victim is defined as:
One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act. (a victim of a mugging.)
A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition. (victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty.)
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but that very first one applies. Crooks was committing a criminal or unlawful act by shooting at Trump. That would, by definition, make Trump the victim. You blame Trump for being shot which means you are victim blaming. Using that same logic your reasoning would lead to saying that if someone is running a liquor store and gets shot when they get robbed, they had it coming and are not victims. A girl that goes to a party and gets drugged and raped shouldn’t have put herself there so it is her fault. This is the vile crap you are spewing. It’s called victim blaming.
Now go ahead and try to burn me down to the ground. I’ve given you a definition…something you refused to do because you know it makes you look horrid. So go ahead…go into a huge, long, incoherent rant about Trump but avoid actually using a definition of victim. I suspect you will even try to tell me how the definition is wrong or that it somehow doesn’t apply to Trump. Because anything else means you are wrong, demented, and basically a horrible person.
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^Absolutely NOTHING you said, dispelled anything about my list of victims.
I personally, didn’t need to define the word “victim.” I understand it succinctly, and stand fast by my uses of the word.
I am actually proud to be a horrible “person.” People, suck.
Thank YOU, for excusing me from that label.
Maybe you should look up “victim blaming,” too. Cross check THAT, with whatever you call Trump did (and you, in this thread,) to Jean…
Oh yeah. Again. Trump is not now, never has been a victim.
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”^Absolutely NOTHING you said, dispelled anything about my list of victims.” No, you silly boy. You threw them in as your definition for the word “Victim”. But you couldn’t, wouldn’t, actually define the word. So I did it for you…as usual.
What it DID do is dispelled your demented claim that Trump was not a victim. You continue to claim it even given the definition which points specifically to him being a victim. Hell, they even described what happened to him.
So let me put it in your thinking. If someone were to take umbrage with things Nancy Pelosi has said and lied about and they shot her, would you say she was a victim? Or would you apply your same logic that she deserved it?
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^I NEVER gave a definition…
Just like you keep avoiding Jean…
That was YOUR logic. Not mine. I know facts are tricky. Your words are still above somewhere.
Nancy’s husband was bludgeoned by one if you, with a claw hammer! What ARE you on about?
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I know you never gave a definition. I pointed that out to you time and time again. I finally had to give YOU the definition and then you argued with it.
As for Nancy’s husband…all I can say is WTF?!? I gave you the hypothetical about someone trying to kill Nancy. Where did her husband come from? Again, it is you trying desperately to avoid the question. Seek help, sir. I don’t say that to be mean. I say that as someone that really cares about you. You need to let your obsessions go. They are tearing you apart.
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@What are you dodging? Okay..Is a criminal that get police brutality when being arrested a victim? Dodge. If that same criminal is treated to a corrupt trial, are they a victim? Dodge. You finally said you don’t support vigilantism but you only contained that to “Fright wingers”. So the vigilante that took a shot at Trump is okay? That is your other dodge. If the vigilante feels he is doing good for people, are the people he kills victims? Dodge.
That’s all you have is dodge and avoidance. Don’t jump in if you can’t support your bullshit claims.
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@SQUEEKY2 & @MrGrimm888 somebody is acting THAT dense and is just a fright-wing troll, in the past he has “Coped & Pasted” straight from ultra righ-twing websites . . does that make them victims because he plagiarized ? ? ?
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I agree @Tropical_Willie I am out,I would get a more logical response yelling at a wall.
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@Tropical_Willie Yes, The dictionary is an ultra right wing website. Please. I even gave the credit to the website I pulled it from. But I’m not surprised that you are on the avoidance train along with the others. You never actually support your rants.
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@seawulf575 You are an ultra right TROLL !and you know it ! ! !
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Wulf. Your application of the word, is where the problem is.
Not the dictionary bud.
I’m not sure what an “avoidance train” is, or it’s relevance here.
You’re trying to I suppose group all the people who don’t buy what you’re selling together, as if you being outnumbered is also a conspiracy.
Is the “avoidance train,” somehow linked to the “deep state?”
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@MrGrimm888 Okay, you admit the dictionary is correct. That’s progress. So let’s look at the definition that really applies:
One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act. (a victim of a mugging.)
Was Trump harmed by another? Why yes he was. Was that person committing a criminal or unlawful act? In my book trying to kill someone is a criminal and/or unlawful act. Do you agree with that?
So unless you are saying that Trump wasn’t hurt or that the shooter was acting lawfully, you are wrong. There is no other answer. Trump would, by definition of the dictionary you agreed was right, be a victim. So all your rants are bogus and you are victim blaming.
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@MrGrimm888 you forget Trump can do no wrong; ask Wulfie . . . oh you did and he told you Trump is a victim and “can do no wrong” !
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Aww poor widdle Don Father the evil left is just out to get him, all he is trying to do is enrich himself and his very wealthy friends, while feeding the public his famous BBQ bullshit burgers that his loyal public can’t get enough of.
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More information about the shooter (i.e. his web searches):
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/politics/trump-rally-gunman-portrait-motive-invs/index.html
He searched for both this Trump rally and the Democratic National Convention, and he had pictures of politicians from both parties on his phone.
This is just killing the ideologues right now: “No!! We want him to be WOKE!!!” But he just keeps getting more ambiguous…
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@MrGrimm888 So despite you agreeing on the definition and it being almost identical to what happened to Trump (they didn’t give the names) you are so blocked you can’t admit he was a victim of a shooting. That allows you to victim blame all day long and justify it to yourself. Again…bring this to your therapist. They would be very interested to hear your views.
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Negative.
When people ask for violence, then get it, I don’t call them a victim.
Trump has threatened, and continues to threaten pretty much all of us.
He sold millions of sheep, on lies and being a false profit.
Now. His sheep can’t compute that he’s just a normal person. Let alone that such an impish, pipsqueak, could come from within their own ranks in their own rally.
I suppose some actually thought that he WAS sent by God. Now, that notion seems more ridiculous than before the attempt on his life.
I can’t imagine being almost killed supporting him that day, to hear him say God saved HIM.
Or was it Biden, that is more powerful than God? The almighty DEEP STATE, mightier than the almighty?
Why would my therapist, care what I thought about this?
I’m not a Trumper, shouting to anyone who will listen, full-time, trying to overthrow the government.
You still think Jean asked for it.
Does the fact Trump wasn’t dressed slutty, change the fact he actually did ask for it?
Was Crooks not manly enough, to attack Trump from behind in a dressing room?
Again. Trump is not, never has been a victim.
I’ve seen dozens of idiots run off at the mouth, in crowds, just to be knocked out by someone who responds to challenges.
They always look surprised, like Trump. And they regain their power, as soon as the “fight” is over.
That’s really the biggest problem, most people like Trump have. They’ve never been punched in the mouth…
Doesn’t make them a victim, of anything but their own mouth
That’s all I’ve ever judged Trump by, his recorded voice, or pick your video. He used to ask people in his crowd to punch his detractors, and said he’d pay their lawyer bills.
I thought Trump was a tough, genius? What changed?
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Trump is the bully that keeps pushing then shocked when someone pushes back and all of a sudden they become the poor victim.
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Trump is a “drama queen” with bad spray tan (misses his white ears) and worst comb-over
He is not a victim – - just a whiner.! !
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@MrGrimm888 So how do you feel about the Dems demonizing Trump and his supporters, targeting conservatives with the government and calling for violence whenever it suits them? You are quick to say Trump did it all, but you are leaving out a HUGE piece of the pie.
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@SQUEEKY2 what is funny about the entire episode (funny in a really sad way) is that I’m surprised someone on the left hasn’t tried it sooner. That is what I expect out of the left and am not often disappointed. They have learned that if they do something the Dems want, they won’t be punished for it. Look at all the rioters that destroyed cities. Look at the protesters that take over buildings illegally. They are actually protected from the Dems and the left. Hell, Kamala Harris even set up a program to raise money to bail violent rioters right out of jail…as soon as possible. Talk about supporting violence!
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Talk about leaving out, when it comes to the BLM riots that you bring up over and over you leave out the episode where the rioters protect a police officer that got separated from his team, or where they surrounded a store so it wouldn’t get looted.
How about the group of armed militia that wouldn’t identify themselves and met the protesters with extreme violence.
Don’t forget those as well.
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Right wingers have short memories @SQUEEKY2 and their hero has a Vienna Sausage for a manly unit !
Also very very short !
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You still refuse to recognize the reality of the situation.
NOBODY (at least originally,) has “demonized” Trump.
The people who (rightfully) don’t like him, don’t like thongs HE has said and/or done.
When part of the nation, tries to force their religious beliefs on the while country even though it WILL harm many, that makes people upset.
Currently. Conservatives are REALLY acting up. You support women giving birth to the products of rape.
The constant attack on women’s rights, and the book banning (just to name a couple,) along with the country watching Trump break and avoid the law, in pursuit of a fascist theocratic dictatorship is rubbing people the wrong way.
I get it. You guys feel like Christianity, is under attack.
But that’s just because it was being taken from places it had no constitution right to be.
You wouldn’t stang for the children in public schools praying to Allah, and you know it.
This country WAS founded, so that people would have the freedom to worship or participate in ANY religion.
But you can’t try to convert everyone. Sorry.
DeSantis said public schools “indoctrinate” children.
What that means, TO HIM, is teaching evolution over creationism.
Christianity, and it’s believers, already have FAR too much representation. FAR too much power. Which, in many cases is just disturbing in 2024.
Now. P25?
You’re being over ambitious fools. You will NEVER turn this country into a Christian version of Pakistan. I hope you can’t poison the water and air, so a few people make more profit.
Wulf. Even Trump’s VP, compared him to Hitler. Citation? Well that’s easy.
It’s easy, to disprove most of the lies the sheep spread.
It’s almost hilarious, watching the entire republican party, are trying to convince Americans not to remember the FACTS of Trump’s 1st term, but replace that with more lies.
You aren’t demons. You’re scared little sheep. Hope the wool, doesn’t hit the fan, if Trump loses in November.
None of you have accepted the results of the last election.
Sore losers. What else can you call them? Victims, of a (to them) charismatic liar?..
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@MrGrimm888 No sir, you are the one that won’t acknowledge the reality of the situation. When the Dems and the media equate Trump to Hitler, call him a dictator, call him and his followers the existential threat to our country, the biggest threat to democracy, radicals, racists, xenophobes, domestic terrorists, and every other slur they can think and they do that 24/7 for years, that is demonizing them. You don’t want to admit it, but it is 100% true.
You don’t have to like Trump or think he is a good person or any of that crap, but you have to be able to at least see reality. Or so I thought. I’m coming to the realization that you are incapable of that.
I call Trump a duck because If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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@MrGrimm888 Using his doublespeak Wulfie is agreeing; he want a Christian Nation and Trump king / dictator running it . . . Maybe they will have weekly public executions of non-believers.
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Omg, the wulf cries hateful rehteric by the left ,shit all he says is hateful rehteric about the left.
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It’s all moot, at this point.
Biden has dropped out.
I cannot think of any scenario Trump will not win.
TW. I’m sure they would burn me at the stake, if they could. Peaceful, loving people….
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@MrGrimm888 Harris in some polls increased 2 percentage points over Biden . . . .she can play the “old and demented” card !
Trump, I think picked Vance to get support from the far – right !
Which is not needed now.
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I’m not remotely sold, on Harris.
If the right had something on her, they’d have already tried it. Otherwise, she has little to tout.
Trump just needs to stay out of court. Otherwise, I think he could strangle Melania, and rape Ivanka on live TV. No problems.
I am not represented by anyone. I would have no role in a Civil War. I will just have to grab a boat to the Islands. Yall can have this dumpster fire…