Can any female, possibly be a better Secret Service Officer, than even a less mentally capable man?

As a former LEO, I liked having at least one female officer around. They can more easily deal with other females, and they can legally search women (male officers can “terry frisk” females, but cannot actually do a full search on a female.)

Sometimes, women are better marksman. They can multitask better than men.

I am not a fan of female officers being without a male partner. Unfortunately, because there is a disturbing amount of instances in which single female officers have been beaten practically to death by men.

The SS, is more of a team. I feel like that covers EVERY officer’s weakness…

Please stop using the word “female” instead of “woman”. It is dehumanising and something that incels do.

@ragingloli Yeah, I was like what the actual fuck?:

Apologies Loli. When I was a LEO, that’s how we described people with just x chromosomes.

Same with men.

Black male, white shirt, red pants, heading west on Ocean Blvd.

White female, blue dress, missing since Tuesday.

Sorry scientific terminology offends you.

The pronouns being used by the people who are spreading this concept, are different than mine too.

(Participation is voluntary. If words like male offend you, feel free to choose to be offended elsewhere.)

The question was worded, as the concept is being floated.
The notion offends me. Which is why I asked.

I’m NOT a LEO but as a woman who had to compete against men in several of my jobs. I found that we were expected to do MORE than the men did. I worked for one of those right wingnuts who felt women were useless anywhere but in the bedroom. At one point, I was the highest paid worker & we worked on commission PLUS I would only take jobs that every male worker turned down first & I remained the highest paid person from week to week. One particularly mouthy guy was bitching he was going to have to take on a part-time job because he couldn’t make enough & it wasn’t fair that the woman was getting all the good work. So, whenever offered a job, I’d turn & ask him if he wanted it. He always said no because he had plans. The boss finally told him to stop bitchin if he was going to refuse any of the good paying jobs because he was busy.

I found that I had to work twice as hard to make half as much so I discovered ways that made the job easier for me to do. Same for women LEOs. The ones that I knew didn’t tackle the perp. They used their baton to trip the bad guy up & he was going to go down. A few would get up right away, most didn’t. The one protecting 45 after his attempt made the former president feel better because she was the ONLY one holding him up & his dangling hand was close enough to her boob that it made him feel manly!!! It’s ALL in perception & right wing perception is skewed.

When I left the job that I was originally describing, the boss hired 6 women to offset the work that the men weren’t doing. He finally admitted that the women were busting butt to get the job done & many of the men just liked to complain.

@MrGrimm888
“Same with men.”
Not in this question. You used “female” for women, while using “man” for men.
In fact, you have not used the word “male” once.

Offended by saying “female” or “male?” Get a grip.

^ I am not sure if this is a point of offense or just a request to use more precise language. I read the question and was struck by how odd it was worded and had to read it a few times. I’m sure if you’re used to hearing such loose, inaccurate language, you might be able to brush past the grammar/wording in order to answer the actual question. But you have to understand that language used in this way most definitely can be confusing for many people.

Female and male refer to sex, while women and men refer to gender. It’s likely that @MrGrimm888 just wasn’t thinking when he typed the question, or is surrounded by enough people who talk like this, that it just came out. Regardless of the intent, however, there should be nothing wrong with noting that there are some issues with the wording.

Conservatives will complain that this is language policing, and that people should stop being so fragile. But there are some reasons why this is not the case. And the motivation of the people noting the mistake might be relevant here. It’s likely that people respect @MrGrimm888 enough to let him know how his choice of words is interpreted by others. They may think that @MrGrimm888 means nothing by it, and it would be wise for him to understand his mistake so he can avoid it in the future.

A very strong, tall, very intelligent and highly skilled woman would make a better Secret Service Officer than a stupid man.

PSA

Mr G. has LONG ago stopped trying to please everyone.
It’s just the way I talk.
Feel free to waste your entire lives looking for things to be upset about.

Honestly. When speaking about gender these days, I am most focused on trying to say “person,” or something that doesn’t upset any LGBTQ + jellies. Fluther is fortunate enough, to have an eclectic group.

In addition, I do sometimes wish, to rattle some cages.
When people get mad, they become more passionate, and less likely to varnish their opinions.

THIS is why Trump WILL win, in November by the way.
Trumpers don’t give a FUCK.

Anyone even tipping left of center, has unnecessarily thin skin. This can lead to petty things (like this) keeping people mad at each other. Biden has NO chance.
He is hated for having to choose a side in the Israeli/Gaza issue.
He didn’t support this, or that.

That ridiculous, constant divisiveness of some, over these issues, WILL give Trump the advantage of a group of people who only care about 1 or 2 things.

That said. I DO respect you ALL.
Thank you for those who just treated me like the flawed person, I am, and simply contributing.

And yes. ALL objections have been noted, and should remain forever.

Peace and love.

@MrGrimm888 – For the same reasons I am going to assume you didn’t mean anything by it, I’m going to assume others were just trying to be helpful.

@MrGrimm888: “Trumpers don’t give a FUCK.”

Well, this is demonstrably false. The whole MAGA schtick is built upon caring about language, dress, and a fragility that would make their imagined liberal fragility pale in comparison. Those of us not in the culture see a group of people giving way too much of a fuck – about the wrong things. Remember – the concept of “cancel culture” was originally one used to describe conservatives. For years, they were constantly derided for being so fragile that they couldn’t handle dissenting opinion and would “cancel” anyone who dared to deviate from their way of speech or thought. The re-labeling of “cancel culture” to mean something targeting conservatives was an intentional effort that has succeeded (in conservative circles).

@MrGrimm888: “Anyone even tipping left of center, has unnecessarily thin skin. This can lead to petty things (like this) keeping people mad at each other.”

Again, I would like to think that we can offer suggestions to each other without it feeling like an attack. I didn’t take offense or assume malice in the wording of your question. So, it might help to have “thicker skin” if you use inaccurate or confusing language and are called out on it.

And the “thin skin” afflicts those of all ideologies. I don’t think I could hang out in some circles (especially down south or in small town midwest) and express my thoughts on the US or the military or the police or the flag or country music without ending up being pummeled by someone who supposedly doesn’t have “thin skin”.

Intelligence is the key word. A smarter person is going to perform better in this role. Intelligent, conscientious and emotionally stable….even better.

@hat Well put.

Putting the “female” “woman” wordage aside, I still do not understand the question. @MrGrimm888 Can you please rephrase?

As the question was asked, the female could easily be a better officer. Leadership doesn’t always require strength or stamina but rather the understanding of the job, the ability to motivate those working under you, and the quality of being able to think quickly on your feet and make timely calls that are needed. That being said, are we assuming that all the men stupider than the woman? Was she the best candidate or the best “female” candidate?

Given the performance at the Trump rally and the answers she has given since, I’d have to say she either wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer and got the job because of her chromosomes or she is entirely corrupt and the entire thing was planned. She is claiming the former.

@hat With due respect, I will not be taking any nonsense about such a petty issue.

I was educated in SC. Historically one of the worst public educational institutions in the country.

I barely got through English 102, in college. And that was over 20 years ago.
I am largely self-educated. That may be an ironic term if you don’t think I’m so sharp.

Most of my vocabulary, and context was pulled from all the reading I have done since I was 12 years old.
I think, if you look at my Grammer, and punctuation from my first years here, I have come a long way. Some of my fellow jellies, have tried to help me with such things. And I have no doubt that I could always use advice, or help going forward.
I am not ashamed of the ignorance I have, regarding writing. Many associate “ignorance,” as a negative word.
I disagree. Unless it’s on purpose.
None of us, are born knowing much. We have to be taught.

Over the years, yes, I picked up lots of bad habits, and like say a Spanish-American that uses a mixture of words with similar meaning in no real rational way in conversation, I do the same.
Unfortunately, there was no hidden, or malicious intent, to authentically be offended by. But I can’t think for others.

In this world of shit, I’m going to just not care, if people want to be offended. As at some point, everything will be offensive.
This reminds me of a 90’s college comedy “PCU.” A imaginary university, where everyone was divided into groups who all took offense to almost everything. Largely because they were looking for things to find offensive.
In the end, everyone realizes they have been wasting their lives hating each other, and they all enjoy themselves, just as soon as they don’t deliberately seak to have issue with petty things.

When I was “crafting” this q, I had just finished wading through right-wing videos ALL pointing out random things about the assassination attempt. ALL equally certain that each random detail galvanized their theory on the event.
One of the more offensive ones I found, was a short talking about the women on Trump’s team, being the problem. They have a few seconds of video showing a female officer seem to struggle to re-holster her side arm.
Hundreds of thousands of likes and comments from obvious conservatives, all had varying degrees of saying how women should never have had the job.
I was attempting to capture some of the group stupidity, in my admittedly substandard phrasing.
I WAS trying to translate this, as I saw it. In offensive terms. Hence my use of the word “possibly.”

For those who prefer a different question;
“Can a person with two x chromosomes, be as effective as a person with a y chromosome, at being a Secret Service Member?”

Or does that also offend people, who think I should say “y chromosome impaired?”

Thank you again, to those who simply offered an opinion, rather than feigning offense at pronoun usage. As simply crying foul, makes one appear to be deflecting from the question because I guess you have no actual contribution.
So far, those who actually took time they’ll never get back to carefully disect my poor grammar, I have taken that, as evidence you are someone who must agree that a female SS agent is in fact inferior. Although I myself, already opined I thought otherwise.

Whilst we are off the rails, I guess I will mention a somewhat similar situation.
Through the first weeks of June, I was expecting a thread celebrating Pride month. As there was one last year.
As the weeks went by, I thought about starting a thread to offer support and celebration as well.
However. I eventually decided not to, for fear of jellies taking some offense to a straight person starting that thread.

My point, is Fluther would likely be a better place, if people decided not to pounce on EVERYTHING.

Not long ago, another jelly, made a statement that “ALL men are assholes.”
Noticing the profound hypocrisy in Fluther not caring much about that, I spit out a brief diatribe, and did not offer further response.

@hat My skin sucks for the hot Sun, but is otherwise just fine.
My PSA, is still up I think, if you are unsure of anything.

If this crime against humanity just means that much, we have Mods. I personally, have NEVER asked them to delete anyone else’s contributions. But I know I have a fan club here, who constantly tries to get me booted, so I always expect something from them.

When I was accused of being racist for saying RDG’s Asian food may have been dog, I apologized. One of our Asian jellies, was quick to make it clear that she was not offended, as it was just “dark humor.”

When I get legitimate feedback on something I said that was actually offensive, I try to make things right.

THIS will not, be one of those occasions. I will apologize, for my lazy wording. But is there anyone here, who honestly thinks that ANY wording would not have offended someone?

If so, you have been living under a rock in the pond. Anti-male vitriol is rampant on these pages, and seldom discouraged.

@MrGrimm888 – Not sure what much of that response means, but I just want to reiterate that I didn’t mean my response as an attack on you. In fact, It’s likely that you and I share some similar thoughts on liberals’ weaponizing of identity politics, which I think is quite reactionary.

^I KNOW we have a lot in common.

I’m not upset at THIS one thread. But once every few months, I get sick of male bashing. Some Jellies have a reputation for only joining my threads, to make mountains out of mole hills. Usually, that is their ONLY “contribution.”

It heavily discourages actual civil conversation. Usually just paving over, what may offer intriguing debate. Ultimately harming Fluther, more than anything. Leaving us only questions about your favorite cupcake icing. Which are fine, but FAR from what platforms like this are designed for.

There HAVE been a couple actual responses. Which I would think anyone could glean context from. It should take remedial comprehensive skill.

I’m not angry. Just disappointed that Fluther has become this way. No disrespect to the Mods, but they rarely help the man bashing issue either.

I won’t derail this thread any more, but I suspect the concept of “male bashing” is ripe for its own thread. I have heard of this before in relation to conversations about rights of women and all people, and its often quite confused. Being a feminist and fighting for the rights of my daughter is simultaneously fighting for the rights of my two sons. There is no conflict. In fact, dissecting and breaking down issues of gender, gender roles, and gender rights benefits men as much as women. But this is a large topic.

^^ I’m of the school that fighting for the rights of women and men simultaneously is not feminism. It’s doing the right thing. What feminism once was is not what it is now. I don’t know what it even is now, people use that moniker as a virtue flag to fly for whatever their agenda is.

So. No thoughts on the question? OK @hat . Sucks because you probably would have had a great answer.

@MrGrimm888: “So. No thoughts on the question? OK @hat Sucks because you probably would have had a great answer.”

You’ll likely take that back. :)

I don’t care who protects these monsters, as they don’t deserve protecting. I’d prefer that these genocidal maniacs be protected by a group of mannequins.

But in the context of whether gender is important in a security detail – I don’t think so, unless we lived in a country/world where guns didn’t exist.

^Thank you! We definitely do, have much in common.

I think the personal security concerns by Conservatives were based on video evidence from the rally incident. Trump popping up was purely his own rizz showing, not a failure of the SS on stage.
I do feel many women are tall and strong enough to do the job, no question.

I ran across more stuff today.
There IS a video of a couple female officers as Trump is being put into a secure vehicle.
I know it was probably really crazy, but at least one woman looked like she was totally out of her element and that’s the one who kept holstering and re-holstering, and just looking lost.

That ,to me, can happen to anyone who turns out wasn’t a good fit.
You honestly never know exactly how good ANYONE is, until everything goes sideways. Then, anyone can surprise you with their inability to perform under extreme circumstances.

In the summers, I used to get sent my security company’s new hires, for training. I was stern, but fair. We had plenty of current and former military people. Several SEALs. (They were awesome.) But I guess some skills don’t translate well.
It’s great that a guy can swim 5 miles, and still be good. But that doesn’t make him great at not being distracted in a venue full of people.
Some guys got easily taken advantage of by attractive girls. Others had their face burried in their phone.

I was working with a brand new guy at a rather small venue one winter. I spoke to the guy, when he showed up, he nodded a lot and seemed to be paying attention.

A few hours later, I ended up tussling with a man, and several of his friends. It got fairly ugly, and I asked someone to go find my other guy.
He showed up a couple minutes later, and did nothing.
I struggled mightily with the most active two guys, and was just getting kicked or punched from behind by three other losers. After it became apparent that the other officer was not getting involved, I tore one guys rotator cuff, and just liver punched the other aggressor. The three hitting me from behind ran out the door.
Eventually, both the guys I took down went to jail, and I had time to talk to my other officer.
I was pretty livid, and out of breath. I asked him “what the fuck? Why didn’t you help me?”

He seemed really nervous, and just said “I thought you were doing ok.” I starred at him for a few seconds, thinking maybe he thought he was being funny.
Then I ripped his company hat off and told him he was fired.
My boss later apologized for putting me with the guy, and upheld his termination.

It sounds ridiculous, but it happened. Whenever my boss would ask about a trainee, I always had the same answer. “I don’t know how he’s doing. We haven’t had to get nasty yet.”

It’s impossible to 100% simulate actual fear. And I never trusted anyone, until we both tasted blood.
Some officers were too aggressive. They started problems, instead of deescalating. Some liked to fight. It’s difficult finding the right people for law enforcement.

I would probably want that one female officer pit on another detail. But I wouldn’t say she sucked, because she was a she.

A male Police officer I guess had to flee the shooter right before the first shots. They were following him, since they saw him with a range finder by the entrance, but lost sight of him.
Civilians pointed out the shooter, one of the cops was held up by another to see the roof. He was just hanging, almost in a pull-up position, when the shooter took aim at him. At which point he let go and fell. I guess that’s when the shooter required Trump, and fired.

This puts everything in a new light: Now the whistleblowers are showing up.

https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1814304000931758225?s=51

^No K9 cops?
I’m sold. This IS a woman’s fault.

I’m hearing Kristi Noem, was in charge of the dogs… Unfortunately. She shot ALL of them, before they could save Trump…

@snowberry I saw that. I went to Josh Hawley’s page to get a copy of what he was seeing and the letters he sent. He’s also looking at Blackrock’s part in all this.

“Can any female, possibly be a better Secret Service Officer, than even a less mentally capable man?”
– Of course. High strength is not the main qualification for a Secret Service Officer, particularly when there are several officers on a security detail. I would even recommend having some women on a detail, to give the team a wider range of perspectives and talents.