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How confident are you that the Electoral College will vote in line with the Popular vote?

Asked by jca2 (16920points) August 27th, 2024

The NY Times states that this is the one thing that Kamala Harris should be worrying about right now.

Remember, Hillary Clinton won the Popular Vote but lost the Electoral vote, therefore, losing the Presidential election.

What do you think?

Do you think if she loses the Electoral vote but wins the Popular vote, there will be some changes to the system or will it remain the way it is and has been?

I understand why the system is the way it is, but I also know that when Hillary lost the Electoral vote but won the Popular vote, it upset a lot of people and I’m sure it would have upset a lot of people if it were a Republican candidate who lost the EV but won the PV.

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flutherother's avatar

Impossible to tell. It can happen as shown in the 2016 election when Trump won the election despite getting almost three million votes less than his opponent. The important thing is that all Americans accept the result and come together under the one flag despite their differences, and if necessary, despite their leaders.

I don’t think it is a good time to tinker with the system as the country is so polarised just now. No electoral system is perfect.

Forever_Free's avatar

They are two different systems and it does happen where the popular vote may have one outcome while the Electoral vote will have a different outcome. This is why gerrymandering is so important.
Yes, it should be a concern for every election but at the end of the day, it may happen. Am I concerned with the outcome being different? Not as much as the lines being rigged to manipulate outcome.

JLeslie's avatar

Gore and Hillary won the popular vote.

Of course worrying about the electoral college is the most important thing. I keep hoping the Democrats will spend some time in Florida, 30 electoral votes!! Granted MI, PA, OH, AZ, GA, NC, all very important too. Especially PA, I went from negative to very hopeful after hearing Walz speak.

History could definitely repeat itself and have Harris win the popular vote and lose the election, but I think it’s more probable the popular vote and electoral vote match up

Zaku's avatar

“How confident are you that the Electoral College will vote in line with the Popular vote?”
– Not very.

“Do you think if she loses the Electoral vote but wins the Popular vote, there will be some changes to the system or will it remain the way it is and has been?”
– Well, given that probably means Project 2025 and worse, I expect even bigger changes if that happens, such as an attempted dictator-for-life, an attempt to make the US a “Christian” [white male] nationalist / fascist Putin ally, which if it “succeeds”, may very well mean the USA never “needs” to vote again, as Trump has said.

seawulf575's avatar

It is a meaningless question. The EC is what is in the Constitution…it is the basis of our voting. It is there to give more than 5 states or something the decisions on everything. In an ideal world, popular vote would match EC. But low information voters in high population areas skew that ideal world.

JLeslie's avatar

@seawulf575 There have been changes over time to the electoral process. It’s not exactly as it was at the writing of the original constitution.

seawulf575's avatar

@JLeslie Article II of the US Constitution spells out the electoral college. That has not been changed. It gives leeway to the states how they want to do parts of it, but it definitely is still in place without change. Popular vote is not how the Founding Fathers put forth this country for obvious reason (obvious to anyone that is fair minded and gives it 3 seconds of thought). We are not a Democracy. Let me say that again. We. Are. Not. A. Democracy.

JLeslie's avatar

I know Article II speaks to electors (it isn’t actually called the electoral college) but the 12th Amendment changed the process, mostly regarding the VP. Just saying there have been changes.

seawulf575's avatar

Article II, Clause 3 specifically calls it the Electoral College

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-2/section-1/

And the 12th didn’t override Article II, it just clarified it a bit. In fact, some of the exact same language and direction exists in both.

JLeslie's avatar

My mistake. I remembered that incorrectly. Thanks.

JLeslie's avatar

No, I was right. Here’s the Constitution. https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/

seawulf575's avatar

Yes, you were right. I was looking at the annotated Constitution in my citation. It doesn’t call it the Electoral College in the text, but it does in the annotated version. The text just describes the Electoral College.

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