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Do you agree with this quote about Canadians and Americans?

Asked by Jeruba (56076points) 3 months ago

“Canadians are aware of . . . how little Americans know of their world, and how bewildering it must seem in the rare instances we contemplate it.”

(From an interesting article in the New York Times Magazine, America Must Free Itself from the Tyranny of the Penny, by Caity Weaver.)

Please specify which viewpoint you’re speaking from.

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SQUEEKY2's avatar

AS a Canadian we gave up our penny a few years ago, at first we all bitched about it but it hasn’t been that bad, sales are rounded up or down to the closest nickel example if the price is 96cents you pay 95, unless you pay with a debit card then 96cents is deducted from your account.

Hawaii_Jake's avatar

The article is behind a pay wall. I can’t read it.

Jeruba's avatar

Sorry about the pay wall. But you don’t have to read the article to consider the quote. It says that Americans in general really have no idea what the Canadian way of life is all about, and Canadians get that.

Do you think that’s true? That’s the question, and not anything about pennies, which just happen to be the subject of the article.

jca2's avatar

Here’s a snippet from the article. I cut the part out about Canada that @Jeruba is referring to:

Americans accumulate pennies not because we desire them but because we are entitled to them. If we pay for something in cash with more than exact change, we expect to receive back the difference; if the difference ends in any number other than 0 or 5, we will receive at least one penny. We are entitled to pennies because they exist. But imagine a world where they didn’t. Imagine a world where it was Canada.

Many Americans will be surprised to learn that Canada eliminated its 1-cent coin more than a decade ago. Canadians are aware of this — how little Americans know of their world, and how bewildering it must seem in the rare instances we contemplate it. When I interviewed Canadians about their abolition of the penny, I often sensed from their responses that they were handling me gently. “Our country,” one official from the Royal Canadian Mint informed me with an almost apologetic smile, “is just as big as yours.” For all I know, he could be right.

Canada got rid of its penny in 2013 because it cost 1.6 cents to produce and had, like its American cousin, become essentially worthless. Here is the most important detail to understand: Canada eliminated only its physical coin, not the mathematical concept of 1 cent. Payment by credit card, debit card, mobile phone or check — any kind of noncash transaction — is calculated exactly as it was before the penny was abolished. If, after tax, a bill comes to, say, $20.11, a Canadian paying by credit card will be charged $20.11. A Canadian paying by cash can expect to pay $20.10.

The final digit of Canadian cash transactions is rounded to the nearest nickel: 1 and 2, nearest to 0 nickels, round down to 0; 3 and 4 round up to a nickel — 5; 6 and 7, also nearest to one nickel, round down — 5 again; 8 and 9, nearest to 10 cents, round up. I admit that the thought I might be asked to pay, say, $3.80 (cash) for something that, according to the laws of God and man, has been calculated to cost $3.79 (cash) is not only reflexively infuriating to me but a potential source of permanent confusion. The Canadian government mitigated one of those problems (no hope for the other) with an information campaign that included signs with simple charts dividing potential prices into two columns: “Round down” and “Round up.” I asked Karl Littler from the Retail Council of Canada if there were still signs at cash registers explaining the rounding. “It’s 10 years now, so even the most obtuse people have pretty much figured it out,” he said, and laughed.

Although they hardly ever use penny coins, fears of being deprived of one to two per transaction are a knee-jerk concern for Americans invited to contemplate a hypothetical world without them. Rounding opponents point out that a disproportionate number of prices end in double nines, e.g., a $5.99 gallon of milk. Retail legend claims that the “odd cents” pricing strategy (a Parisian trick imported by Rowland H. Macy to his New York City dry-goods store) proliferated after the cash register’s invention in 1879, as a tactic to prevent sales clerks from stealing. If a customer paid $3 for a $3 item, the logic went, a cashier could stealthily pocket the bills; if the price was $2.99, the customer would be owed a coin; to open the register, the cashier would need to key in the sale, thus creating, within the register’s hidden recesses, an incorruptible record of the transaction. That consumers tend to associate these prices with better deals (incorrectly, according to studies) was an added benefit.

But while it is theoretically possible that a retailer could see a surplus profit of up to 2 cents on every transaction, the number of variables that need to be precisely manipulated to pull off the feat would require such convoluted mathematical and psychological calculations that it stretches credulity to suppose anyone would bother.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m all for rounding.

Jeruba's avatar

Has anyone read the question? or the follow-up?

janbb's avatar

@Jeruba I think the question was a little unclear, especially with the ellipsis and the citation to the article. However, I think you were asking if Canadians think that Americans don’t know or think much about Canada and if people from each country believe that’s true. I’ve been wondering about that too, especially since I’ve noticed both on here and other social media how invested my Canadian friends seem to be in issues like our elections and don’t share all that much about politics, for example, in their own. The perception on both American and Canadian sides seems to be that the United States is more powerful and thus her impact is more crucial. I do think most Americans, myself included, don’t know much about Canadian culture and politics except for the bits, like Joni Mitchell, Alex Trebek and Gordon Lightfoot, that trickle down.

Is this the kind of answer you were looking for?

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

I I’m confused by the quote. Who must be bewildered? Canadians or Americans?

The answer effects the meaning significantly.

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