Should Judge Aileen Cannon recuse herself, in the case against Ryan Wesley Routh (Trump's attempted assassin.)(Details.)

Appomatox? Do you mean ‘appointed’?

Cannon probably should recuse, but she hasn’t on the other Trump-related suit, leading to all sorts of allegations that she is throwing the lawsuit in Trump’s advantage. But she resisted the calls for recusal.

I doubt she will. But then, she was bought and paid for.

She should be disbarred and/or in jail, let alone recuse herself.

No idea how my auto-correct, decides what words I “meant to type.”

I should have proofread.
Apologies…

I’d say no. If she had a history of contributing to Trump of had shown favoritism him in the past, I’d say she should not be on any of his cases. Ditto that if one of his political opponents was on trial in her court room. If she had shown that she only supported Repubs and a Democrat politician came into her court I’d say she should recuse. If she has a family member that is benefiting from a case or has close beneficial relationship with Trump, she should recuse herself.

This entire argument about who appointed who is just ridiculous. The process of being appointed to a federal judgeship is far more than a POTUS saying “You are my choice. Go forth and do good!”. This article shows the steps that go into filling a vacancy on a bench. In the case of Cannon, yes, Trump nominated her. But he didn’t do it in a vacuum. He didn’t just pull her name out of a hat. Many, many people were involved in putting her on the bench…both Democrats and Republicans.

^It’s NOT a big deal, to me.
I would think ANY judge, would treat Routh as an assassin. A criminal, of an extremely high caliber now.

However. If you can find any articles that give specifics, it seems like Routh’s defense has a valid argument for Cannon to recuse herself.
Although. Upon further thought, I suppose I could say that ANY judge, would potentially be currying favor from Trump, by being harsh on Routh….

And any defense attorney would try muddying the waters to help his/her client. And the push by that attorney is up against the exact same thing I just pointed out. Making it out that Trump unilaterally put her into her position is a fallacy.

^It’s only fallacy, because Trump wouldn’t know how to do presidential things, without some help. Trump found out, on the fly, he couldn’t just do whatever he wanted.

Like his election fraud phone conversation, he likely told someone who did know what they were doing, and they got it done.

It’s rather moot, as I do want Routh to not be incarcerated for the rest of his life.

@MrGrimm888 No, it’s fallacy because the governing process doesn’t allow a POTUS to directly put judges, or really any high ranking people, into place by themselves. It requires a cooperative effort with the Senate. Always. Anyone that is in a position where they could act as a functionary or representative of the government has to be appointed via this process. It is the same process all POTUS’ have to go through. The only time it gets truly biased is when you have a senate that is largely the same party as the POTUS.

Interesting.
Because an article from ABC, I read today, was about how Cannon is on the short list (alledgedly on Trump’s media somewhere,) for Trump’s pick for his new Attorney General.

Well. You’ve got me! I can’t see ANYTHING off there.

If that comes to fruition, I can say “I told ya so.”
And WOW, would that be a crystal clear sign of corruption at the highest level.
Cannon has only sat on the bench for 4 years. She has only overseen 4 criminal cases in her time in that court…
And yet, she keeps “randomly” getting these history deciding Trump cases. Hmm…

Yes. Smith should have brought charges in DC. But. As the documents were found primarily in FL, Smith didn’t want to waste time by letting Trump’s team argue for the case to be moved to FL. Smith knew, of the risks in trying Trump in FL. He HAD to risk it though, as Trump’s only real defense is time. The rest, is “purely coincidence,” that everything fell Trump’s way.

I’m not stupid. I am not trying to alledge Trump personally put her there, for these cases.
He put a LOT of judges in place, because that’s part of P25, and of course to help Trump wherever he needs it. He needs a LOT of help, because he’s a career criminal.

The senate HAS to eventually approve someone appointed by the sitting POTUS. Stop acting like a Trump appointee, wouldn’t have to have only 1 trait, absolute loyalty.

Ahh yes…ABC…that bastion of fair and unbiased reporting. Please. And they got it from an anonymous source. What a surprise.

Here’s another consideration for you: The appointment of the AG goes through the same process as appointing judges, though it is typically more vigorous. Again, if I were POTUS I could say I want Tucker Carlson as my AG. That doesn’t mean I get to do that in a bubble.

Your understanding of the documents case is amazing. Smith couldn’t bring charges in DC unless the courts in the district where the crime was allegedly committed agreed. Smith wanted dearly to take it to DC because he is court shopping. He knows he has judges that will go along with the “Get Trump” game. That is called lawfare.

As for a Trump appointee having only absolute loyalty, that is only in your propaganda feeds. We have seen that with the SCOTUS. The three appointees Trump nominated have not voted as a bloc for all topics or cases that would be important to Trump. And their decisions are never totally in favor of Trump. Look at the immunity case. Yes, the media loves to say he has carte blanche to do whatever as POTUS because of that ruling, but that isn’t what the ruling said. It said courts have to consider presidential immunity in cases involving a former POTUS. In other words, if the case involves something done when a person is POTUS, the court has to look at and include in their determinations the considerations of whether the actions could be covered as immune actions. They even stated in the majority opinion 3 cases where a POTUS claimed immunity and it was denied.

@MrGrimm888 Remember Trump can do no wrong, just ask the 140 PLUS ex-staff members of his that helped write Project 2025

https://www.abc12.com/news/politics/140-people-who-worked-for-trump-are-involved-in-project-2025/article_992a41cc-6bdc-5c0c-a153-62b28a81d408.html

Wulf. Thank you for your interpretation of reality.

So what actions, should Trump be liable for?

If Cannon IS appointed GA, after personally making his presidency possible, that should be disregarded?

@MrGrimm888 What actions should Trump be liable for? Of the ones they’ve already brought? Basically none. They were all blown up to try making something of nothing. They were made up to tie him up in court, to put a drain on his finances, and to give Dems a talking point. We’ve seen that over and over. The Dems have absolutely no platform to run on. They haven’t given any real plans on dealing with the problems of the country. Hell, they haven’t even admitted they created most of those problems. And all they have run on (Biden AND Harris) is “Hate Trump”. Funny how I called that several years ago. And what are some of the things they use to push “Hate Trump”? All the cases they brought against him. The bogus charges that will get thrown out on appeal, the bogus fines that will get thrown out on appeal, the documents case that was brought by an illegitimate special prosecutor…all those and more. And it’s hilarious to me that when these courts, the legitimate courts, actually rule in favor of Trump you guys on the left make it out to be some sort of conspiracy theory.

If Cannon IS appointed as AG, you can thank the Senate for that one. Trump can nominate her and she might not be a bad choice. I don’t know that much about her past to make that call. But Trump liking her is generally enough for the Dems to go nuts and try every dirty trick in the book to block her. So if they don’t block her, it probably means that there is absolutely nothing wrong with her.

^You’re claiming that the classified documents in Trump’s FL property, were planted by “democrats?”
The dems forced Trump, not to cooperate with the recovery of the classified documents?
The dems, clogged Trump’s Oval Office toilet, with documents?

Trump IS on video, talking/bragging about the documents at some dinner table. The dems, manufactured that?
The dems had the forethought of fraudulently manufacturing a fake Trump University, and gave Trump the money from the scam?
It was Hillary, in a Trump mask, that sexually assaulted Carroll?
The dems drugged Trump, each time he said something incrementing or vile?
The dems had the foresight to pay Stormy to drug and rape the married Trump, and then forced Trump to pay her and have HIS lawyer draw up a NDA?

I listened to Trump committing election fraud again, and after playing with the frequencies, I was shocked to find out it was Obama’s voice altered by the deep state AI!!!!

Laughable, if it weren’t real…

@MrGrimm888 Are you claiming the ability of a POTUS to declassify materials at will doesn’t exist? That the Presidential Records Act of 1978 doesn’t exist? Are you seriously saying the prosecution against Trump took any of this into account? Please. You know it didn’t. Even appointing Jack Smith illegally was done because Smith hates Trump. These are not the actions of legitimate law enforcement. They are the actions taken by one political part to get rid of their chief political opponents. Isn’t that the horrible act the Dems claimed Trump was doing on his call with Zelenskyy? Using his power to target his chief political enemy?

Please get help. All you are doing is spouting lefty talking points that aren’t even accurate.

The POTUS has to notify at the (I think it is DOJ) at the time, he/she declassifies the documents not later as a private citizen https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/ Documents were still marked with classification and not crossed out !

. . . and the binder holding top-secret intelligence about Russia that went missing since the last days of his presidency, a source familiar with the issue said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/binder-with-top-secret-russia-intelligence-missing-since-end-trump-term-source-2023-12-15/

I wonder if Putin still has the binder with DJT’s autograph ? ?

Ask Trump if it isn’t great to be dictator, where his word is law ?

@Tropical_Willie The POTUS does not have the authority to declassify anything as a private citizen. While he is in the office he has no restrictions on him for declassifying anything. There is no procedure for any actions he has to take to do that. And what you are trying to do is equate a label not being lined out with materials not being declassified.

As a guy that held a Top Secret clearance from our government, I am well aware of the rules for dealing with classified materials. That is why I was so angry that nothing happened to Hillary, Biden, or even Pence when it was found they mishandled classified materials. None of them had the ability to declassify the materials they had (and lost control of in Hillary’s case). They had obvious violations of the law. Trump was the only one that had the ability to declassify and had witnesses that he did declassify them.

Bozo the clown (trump) did not declassify the documents while was POTUS – - – therefore he tried doing it as a private citizen . . . give us the documentation from DOJ they were declassified while he was President you cannot !

Once again why did the documents still have classified status on them without strike-out ? ?

I’ve had I’ve held classified clearance too and was told to NEVER DECLARE THE LEVEL I HELD because that makes you a target !

You don’t impress me with you saying you held TS clearance !

@Tropical_Willie According to him and to others he did declassify them as POTUS. And again, I cannot give you the DOJ documentation because the DOJ does not control what the POTUS declassifies. That is the part you just can’t get through that TDS addled brain of your.

I don’t care about telling you I held a Top Secret Clearance because I no longer hold it and most, if not all, of what was classified is no longer so. The missions of my submarine that were the highest classification I’ve read about in books and seen on TV documentaries. It doesn’t make me a target now to tell you I’ve held that clearance. You are correct though that declaring your clearance level is not a good idea while you are holding it. It is a minor point, though. I was attached to a submarine. If someone wanted to target me, it wouldn’t be hard to see who is getting onto and off of the sub.

“See as president, I could have declassified it,” “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

That’s Trump, (uh huh, on tape AGAIN,) telling a writer, publisher, and two Trump staffers, in 2021 as he was discussing being upset about an article which alledged that he had to be talked out of striking Iran.
Trump showed the group (whom did not have any classified status,) top secret documents about this.
The recording was first played on Anderson Cooper 360, but is available in many forms if anyone needs to see AGAIN, that Trump recorded himself committing a high crime….

His childish ego, insecurities and bragging nature, all also on display in the recording. His pride in showing the material, was palpable.

Now that we KNOW Trump lied about that, would you care to address any number of the other illegal, and/or abhorrent things Trump has done Wulf?

If Biden were this dumb, you’d be talking about these incidents until you passed out.

Funny enough, Trump mentioned Hillary, during the same recording in regards to the same documents… AGAIN, on tape…. No conspiracy required.

@MrGrimm888 The alleged admission from Trump, was that the one piece of material they claim he still had? Huh. So let me understand your stance better. Let’s assume it is true, that he had that one document that he didn’t declassify. (a) He admitted it wasn’t declassified, which blows a hole in all your claims about him, (b) the media pushing that so hard shows they KNOW he had the power to declassify materials as POTUS and that the entire case is bullshit. ( c ) the one document pales in comparison to all the crap Biden and Hillary had. This is relevant because the Dems and the DOJ already set a precedence on how they deal with loss of control of classified materials. (d) that one document was always locked up with very limited access and with Secret Service monitoring it around the clock. This is relevant because it wasn’t in his garage next to his corvette, he didn’t share it with a ghost writer who had no security clearance, he didn’t put it on an unsecured server to have it end up on the laptop of a pedo perv and God knows where else.

All you have done by claiming this is to show exactly how bogus the entire case is, how politically motivated it is, how everyone knows all this, and that you are completely obsessed with Trump to the point of derangement. Get help.

^JFC. It’s recorded Wulf!
“Alledged?”
It’s Trump saying it!
I’m not alleging anything.

If it was “bullshit,” why was Trump obstructive?

The OBVIOUS difference in Trump, and ALL other similar cases involving democrats is that they were cooperative.

Hillary was just a stupid woman, who didn’t know how to do her job, be a she was only a DEI product.~

Biden, was in the final stages of dementia. ~

What was Trump’s excuse? And why wouldn’t he just give it back?

Are you suggesting Trump is as incapable of doing his job, as Hillary (not running,) and Biden (not running?)

I’m “obsessed” with the truth.
You’re obsessed with trying to spin, the truth.

^ “If it was “bullshit,” why was Trump obstructive?” Huh. Could it be that there was a disagreement over what was and wasn’t allowed to be had? Every POTUS has kept documents and notes and all sorts of things after they left office. Your hero, Obama, kept probably as much as Trump. Yet they didn’t storm his house or go through Michelle’s underwear.

_“The OBVIOUS difference in Trump, and ALL other similar cases involving democrats is that they were cooperative.” Oh please. The OBVIOUS difference is that none of them were allowed to have the classified documents where they had them. Period. Trump was the only one that had the ability to declassify. And Hillary cooperating? That is so ridiculous I can’t believe you even suggested it. She stonewalled everything to do with that investigation. She went through her e-mails and deleted a bunch before letting the FBI see what was left. That isn’t cooperation, it’s obstruction. She refused to let the FBI have her servers. She demanded that her own pet company do a forensic analysis and give the FBI a report. She took hammers to her PDAs and other electronics do the FBI couldn’t do anything with them. And even after all that, they still found thousands of classified documents where they weren’t supposed to be. The only reason she isn’t behind bars is that Comey created the “intent” clause of the law that really doesn’t exist. He started to say she exhibited “gross negligence” in handling the materials until he realized the law specifically said “gross negligence” is not an excuse. So he changed it to “she didn’t mean to lose control of the materials” and he opted to not prosecute. Now, compare how they dealt with her to how they dealt with Trump. Did they send the swat team to her place to raid it? No. Did they execute search warrants? No. Did they let her get away with all sorts of tampering with evidence and obstructing investigations? Yep. Your claims are completely idiotic.

“Biden, was in the final stages of dementia.” Pretty much. Hur came to that conclusion in his report. According to The NewYorker here’s what was said:

“Hur’s report stated that his investigation “uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice-presidency when he was a private citizen.” Yet Hur concluded that “the evidence does not establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.” He reasoned that “at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.” In Hur’s view, “it would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him—by then a former president well into his eighties—of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”

So yeah…Biden was in the final stages of dementia might work.

“I’m “obsessed” with the truth.” Hahahahahaha…...hee-hee….ah me. That’s rich. You haven’t shown one thing that is true yet. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Trump. You lie and rant and repeat lies and rants that the propagandist tell you but never once actually look into things. Here’s a quick question for proof: Did Donald Trump say Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists are “very fine people”?

^I’m glad you finally admitted Trump called neo-nazis ” very fine people.”

As for the rest of your response, you are simply galvanizing the problem with conservative conspiracy theories.

Not long ago, you were certain that Biden had manufactured a plot to kill Trump, so he could be president.
ALL of these conservative BS stories, you claim are stone solid. Until they come crashing down. Then. On to more ridiculous, baseless theories.

On to more denial, of recordings and videos…

Why deny the near countless things Trump has been recorded saying, and calling that left-wing media? That’s a terrible argument…

“I’m glad you finally admitted Trump called neo-nazis ” very fine people.”” Thank you for proving my point. That is a complete lie. It has been debunked over and over. I, myself, have posted copies of the transcript of the press conference where the “very fine people” statement was made. He specifically stated that didn’t apply to Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists and stated that they should be condemned totally. But the lying lefty media pushed the lie until weak minded fools…like yourself…can’t believe anything else. That’s how propaganda works. As I said, You haven’t shown one thing that is not a lie, especially when it comes to Trump. You are incapable of it. Have you ever considered that your inability to discern truth from lie is why your life is in such a shambles?

@seawulf575 Were you looking in a mirror^^^^^^^ ?

@Tropical_Willie Okay, same question to you: ” Did Donald Trump say Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists are “very fine people”?”

Wulf. You amaze me, with your thinking that you can just say “long debunked” and that should be the end of it.
AGAIN. It’s not debunked, it’s been proven countless times to you, much like many other things that you cling to.

It WILL go down in history, that Trump said that, and more. Because he did.

F@#K THE HELL YA

Charlottesville Trump https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116973/documents/HHRG-118-ED00-20240417-SD006.pdf

^That’s been laid at Wulf’s feet before. Do you have something more credible, than fact?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-comments-white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

Pretty much the same thing I’ve posted many, many times. Not some side thing from a uber-lefty writer, not something taken out of context like what @Tropical_Willie posted…the actual transcript of the press conference. Here, let me cut/past the applicable parts:

“REPORTER: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

REPORTER: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

TRUMP: Oh no, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down – excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay, good. Are we going to take down his statue? He was a major slave owner. Are we going to take down his statue? You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.

REPORTER: I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly?

TRUMP: No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call ‘em. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know, I don’t know if you know, but they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country. Does anybody have a final – does anybody have a final question? You have an infrastructure question.”

Once again, I have gone to the source. This shows that both you and @Tropical_Willie are guilty of perpetuating a lie that the biased media started and pushed. IT WAS A LIE. The proof is right there. You can’t get much better. When you get crap from the lefty media it is often taken out of context (such as with what @Tropical_Willie just presented) and then a completely different take is assigned to Trump. This is one of those things that happens all the time and you fools on the left just say “Trump lies all the time!!!”

Don’t like Politico as a source?

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/very-fine-people-trap-avoid-181505152.html

Now, do you have something more credible than facts?

Are you getting angry?

Your hero is a fascist wannabe ! ! !

Angry? No. Annoyed maybe since we have had this exact same conversation at least 3 times on Fluther and I have posted links and excerpts from the entire press conference that clearly show that Trump did not say Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists were very fine people. He specifically called them out as being horrible people. And you idiots cannot actually clear the TDS from your brains enough to see reality. It is annoying. And sad, pitiful really, that you are so in denial that you cannot admit reality. Who hurt you? Were you beat up regularly on the playground? Molested as a child? You need to talk to your therapist about the inability to face reality as it is and not as the created version you have.

Wulf. Read YOUR own post.
Thank you, for helping prove Trump did what you said he didn’t.

Did you seriously (as a Christian,) tell TW he has a “created version” of reality?
And you said, you weren’t a hypocrite…

@MrGrimm888 Your reading comprehension is pitiful. Enough. Even left wing outlets have debunked the lies about it and you are still arguing. I’ve given you the whole transcript where he completely denounces those you are claiming he said are very fine people and you are still arguing. Seek help. You are in dire need. Take this thread, along with so many others, to your therapist. Let them see where your mind is. It would likely be great insight for them and would possibly allow them to help you.

^Nope. It’s right there, in the transcript. You’re pitiful, for trying to keep spinning it.

It happened.

So what?

People used to be accustomed to a president having some integrity, and that’s the only reason that quote got so much attention.

Trump’s diarrhea of the mouth, has since shown that we should expect him to be a piece of shit.
Not act like every stupid thing he says, changes anything.

It’s impossible for me, to think there are undecided voters out there. Trump’s sheep are never going to care about how bad Trump is. Harris’ supporters, aren’t going to give up hope for the future.

People like me, are NEVER going to put their trust in a politician…

You are pitifully weird when you cling to the lies you have been told. Go back up and look at the part I even put into bold print for you! It’s right there, in the transcript. How can you miss it? I gave you the entire transcript, cut/pasted the applicable portion, put the important part into bold letters, and STILL you cling to the lie that even Snopes and Politifact say is a lie. Again, take this thread to your therapist. It really will do you good.

^Perhaps you should watch the video, of Trump saying these things.
Perhaps you should understand that this was a “Unite the Right” rally, that was to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue.
They were chanting racist and antisemitic chants, and eventually the “evil leftists” got into it with the protesters.

Trump spent the entire time dancing around the white nationalist issue. Often seemingly explaining away the actions of the right-wing group.
And he was extremely reluctant to say negative things about people he knows are his supporters.
He stumbled and sputtered through most of it, and after publicly slipping, he tried to recover.
Of course Trump denied it, afterwards. And yes, left-wing media jumped on it.

During a speech following this speech, in which Trump was supposed to clarify his “fine people on both sides” remark, he dribbled on about Robert E. Lee being a great general, yata yata yata.

To me, the remarks were no surprise, and like I said, the media ran with it.
But it’s not a lie. Watch the video. Trump is upset that he even has to discuss it.
Trump was ALWAYS mad at the media, and FOX helped spread false information (like you) that has empowered the formerly closeted bigots to have these often violent clashes.
And they bring body armor, mace, clubs, and even firearms.
They ARE NOT fine people.

They are not American. They are domestic terrorists.
They are to be condemned, on EVERY stage.
The right is the side, that always shows up with weapons.
Because they ARE cowards.
And Trump is too much of a coward, to have taken that opportunity to council his countrymen. He was too afraid of losing support, to treat them as he should have.

People like me, would have REALLY respected Trump, if he had been a leader, and helped bring us together.

He has conversely, worked tirelessly to continue to lie to his sheep and keep tensions high.
Your loser bitch hero, is planning on getting a lot of people killed, if he doesn’t win.

I “cling” to fact. The fact is, Trump didn’t want to lose his racist vote. Even he knows that is a BIG part of his act.

☆His lack of condemnation, and telling the Nazis to ”stand back, and stand by,” instead of fuck off, tells me that he DEFINITELY not only thinks those ARE “fine people,” but he also prefers those people.

You conservatives just don’t like the world knowing, your shameful nature. That’s why you persist.
You’re trying to talk yourself, into believing all this. That’s hard to do. It takes real dedication to keep sticking with Trump, through it all. Especially, if you claim to have ethics.
But hey! Whatever helps you look in the mirror…

@MrGrimm888 I’ll tell you what: you find me the video of the ENTIRE conversation, not just a snippet that some uber-lefty outlet took out of context, and then we can talk about “the video”. I gave you the entire transcript. It was verified by several uber-lefty outlets to be a true transcript. I took the applicable section out of the transcript and posted it so you wouldn’t even have to go through the effort of finding it in the transcript. I bolded the statement of him condemning the Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists. I have presented you the reality, the facts, in a way you cannot possibly mistake and still you cannot admit you were wrong. And you truly believe that if you double and triple down and write a wall of text you will somehow be right. Everything you have said in your wall is pretty much a lie since it starts with a lie as its premise. Your efforts to cling to lies is something your therapist really needs to be aware of.

^Negative. I will not think for you.
The video, is all over the internet. You don’t need “entire conversations.”
It was a defining moment, for a new leader. He was argumentative, and his brief attempt at backwalking his statement doesn’t change the fact he was trying to avoid upsetting his white supremacist voters.
C’mon Wulf. We’ve seen Trump mad. This wasn’t him being mad.
When he’s talking about Hillary, or Harris, THEN you can see the difference.

I’m judging Trump, for what HE said, and how he said it.

Then. To simply tell them to “stand down, and standby,” is further evidence that he not only doesn’t oppose those people, he seems to be under the impression that he has the ability to give them orders…

Trump saying he’d like to see L. Chaney executed by firing squad, is how he acts about people he actually doesn’t like.
Charlottesville, clearly didn’t strike a nerve for Trump.

He didn’t chant “lock up America’s domestic terrorists, like white supremacists,” at his rallies once.

Trump is a man of extremes.
In his extreme moments, he tells us a LOT about himself.

I started this thread, half as a joke. I want Routh locked away, forever.
But the continued “coincidences,” that favor Trump and those who help him are too ridiculous to not point out. That’s all I did, was point out what was happening.

If Trump was imprisoned, and afterwards Biden made him a Supreme Court Judge, you’d strip a gear. And you know it.

If you WANT to play dumb, when Trump is doing hos thing, I’m fine with that.
But. That also means, you can’t play smart, when the dems do something wrong.

@MrGrimm888 “Trump saying he’d like to see L. Chaney executed by firing squad, is how he acts about people he actually doesn’t like.” Here we go again. Show me where he said “I want to see Liz Cheney in front of a firing squad!” You are spreading lies from the left…again. Please stop letting liars tell you what to believe. That alone is what is making you so miserable. Help yourself and stop believing the left-wing liars.

Trump’s comments on Liz Cheney, cut and pasted from PolitiFact: When asked about Liz Cheney campaigning for Harris, Trump said, “Well, I think it hurts Kamala a lot. Actually. Look, (Cheney is) a deranged person. The reason she doesn’t like me is that she wanted to stay in Iraq.”

Trump covered many other topics, then said: “I don’t want to go to war. (Liz Cheney) wanted to go, she wanted to stay in Syria. I took (troops) out. She wanted to stay in Iraq. I took them out. I mean, if were up to her, we’d, we’d be in 50 different countries. And you know, number one, it’s very dangerous. Number two, a lot of people get killed. And number three, I mean, it’s very, very expensive.”

Later, Trump added “I don’t blame (Dick Cheney) for sticking with his daughter, but his daughter is a very dumb individual, very dumb. She is a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK? Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

I listen to a right leaning radio show in the car and yesterday they were laughing about this and defending it. I was thinking “what kind of dystopian universe are we living in where someone can defend this?”

@jca2 So you agree he never said he wanted to put her in front of a firing squad. The message Trump made was very clear: Cheney loves war. She loves making money off it, she loves keeping the military industrial complex in business, and she has no problem sending others off to fight those wars she wants us in. He was saying “let’s put her in a war situation where people are shooting at her and see if she changes her mind about war”. To believe the crap of a firing squad is to then believe that in a firing squad you have a gun and can shoot back. Because after all, didn’t he say “put her with a rifle”?

@seawulf575 I agree that it’s not something that should be defended, and should be called out for inciting violence. I almost feel like we’re living in a world where things are so crazy, that people will say it’s ok to say grab a woman by the pussy, and all that. Just my opinion, and I don’t expect to argue about it because I am not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine.