What will you do when Trump wins his second term?

If I’m being honest, I’ll probably spend my time explaining how “lesser of two evil” voting lead to this outcome and why we need a viable 3rd party or this will keep happening.

@gorillapaws What really really need is a “no party” system, and we need to abolish the Electoral College. But neither of those will ever happen.

“No party” is infinitely preferable to the status quo, and I’d be thrilled if the EC were abolished. My hope is that Kamala wins and then immediately resigns and lets Walz take over. If that requires her to have a crippling stroke, I’d consider it an acceptable karmic retribution.

Watch out for white supremacists and keep my gun on me until the hype dies down.

If Trump wins, I will switch my donation plans to 100% humanitarian causes and try to ignore US politics. It will mean this country is too stupid to save.

Try to anticipate how to deal with a Vance presidency, and devote as many resources as I can to women’s and children’s issues of all kinds.

Correction, *if he wins.

@jonsblond Color me a pessimist. What’s funny is that when I was a kid I won an “optimist” award. Strange how things work out.

I just wrote a long post and lost it. Ugh.

I’ve been feeling like he’s going to win. Except for a few rare instances in the past few months, I’ve been feeling like Harris is the underdog. There’s so much misinformation out there.

There’s definitely a lot of fear on both sides that if the other side wins, it’s going to be the end of Democracy.

I remember when Trump won last time, I went to bed feeling hopeful and woke up feeling shocked.

Trump lovers seem to feel that no matter what he wants to do, he’s entitlted to do it.

If he loses, the Trump lovers will be crying that it’s a stolen election. It’s almost like he has to win no matter what, whether it’s legit or if they protest and say it was stolen, and they throw tantrums like babies.

@Caravanfan We were supposed to have a red wave in 2022. It was a blue tsunami. Pollsters underestimated democrats after Roe was overturned.

I took a fall drive through rural SW Wisconsin Saturday through three counties of mostly hills and farmland. I was surprised to see the amount of Harris signs on farmland and homes that I did. I’ve never seen anything like it. It’s expected in liberal Madison, but not the rural areas. I’m not exaggerating when I say 75% of the signs were for Harris. Of course the Trump signs are big to make you think Trump is in the lead, but the small signs for Harris, many homemade, dominated the land.

I know this is a close race but I do have hope. I will not stress and worry until or if I need to.

Wonder in your country how you can elect a convicted felon?
Also wonder when the next trade war will start ,with his idiot plan to tariff all imported goods coming into your country.
Also how long it will take him to gift wrap Ukraine as a present for his buddy Puttin.

I’ll start by watching MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CNN, et al; break down into tears. Then I’ll likely start to see, right on the heels of that, a repeat of 2016 where the Dems start calling for impeachment before he is even sworn into office. And we will likely spend the next 4 years watching the Dems be obstructionists.

@jonsblond From your words to God’s ears.
@seawulf575 I only hope the Democrats are obstructionist to the orange fascist.

@seawulf575 You mean like the republicans have acted the last 4 years?

To be clear, I have absolutely no problem with Congress being obstructionist to the President, whether it’s a Republican or Democratic Congess. It’s how our system was designed. I may not agree with it all the time, but it’s fine.

Be glad I live in a very blue state with a governor who isn’t afraid of the Repugs.

I am guessing, also, that if Trump wins, the Democratic party will be reassessing itself for the next election. Remember, it was only after that disaster of a debate three months ago that Harris started campaigning. Until that point, it was “circle the wagons around Biden.” Ideally, Biden would have not been allowed to go foward when talk of re-election came about, a year ago, and then the Dem party would have been able to choose a candidate, and campaign properly.

I had asked several questions about Biden and made a bunch of comments on questions here, and many (most) were insisting he’s sharp as a tack, as strong as ever, and re: the debate, he just had a “bad night.” In real life, I had discussions with my Dem friends and they also defended Biden and his right to run again. It was only after the debate, and when politicians started saying he should drop out, and then media outlets that were always liberal, such as the NY Times started saying he should drop out, that he was convinced to drop out after Obama and Pelosi put the nails in the coffin.

Even though I’m a Democrat, I think I was pretty realistic in saying that Biden can’t put two sentences together and he should drop out.

The neighborhoods where I live on the isthmus in Madison, WI are very progressive and left leaning. I could see the locals surrounding our isthmus to protect us from the civil war the far right like to talk about. I feel safe where I live. I’d be surrounded by thousands of highly intelligent people.

I’ll do the same thing when Harris wins. I’ll be doing fun stuff as usual.

I think I’m getting my safety idea from all the zombie movies I’ve been watching this month. :D

I am already stocked up on toilet paper and canned goods. I am good.

I’ll mostly ignore it. I’ll be crossing my fingers that the Democrats are being overly paranoid.

I’ll hope my husband doesn’t obsess and talk about it every day.

I’ll seriously look into putting some money off shore. I’ll continue to push my husband to get his Mexican passport (I’ve been trying for years).

Maybe I’ll keep my registration Republican. I changed it to vote in the primary to vote against Trump.

Cry and hide under my bed for the next four years.

Either way I’ll live my life, @gondwanalon style. If Trump wins I certainly do expect a lot of hysterics from the Left and gloating from the Right…and vice versa on a Kamala win.
Whomever wins better get the violence calmed down and the economy fixed.
My money’s on a Trump win, for good or ill.

I may become a millionaire, by selling Chinese made shirts with American flags, coupled with extremely stupid and shameful words.
I don’t think that I have the lack of integrity required, to take advantage of such gullible idiots.

Ultimately. If a fraction of the worst happens, a LOT will depend on my ability to continue to draw ss disability until hopefully I’m healthy enough to make a living.

If Trump loses, I will legitimately fear that Trump could talk his sheep into being violent.
That fear, is mainly for them, as I still don’t believe that our National Guard, or military, will obey Trump and actually hirt American citizens they swore to protect (thank you.)
If Trump has no ability to use the US military against it’s own citizens, he has little more than a handful of veterans of ME wars, and a lot of “Jerry Springer” audience members.

They could overwhelm some positions, and probably do a lot of public lynching until stopped.
January 6th, was the best his mob of followers could do, at his hour of greatest need for them. Ultimately. Trump’s mob (which reminded me of “Purge” characters,) was mostly successful at breaking a lot of things, and recording themselves committing vandalism and various other crimes in The Capitol Building.
Speaking of which, he’ll likely pardon most of the people he talked into going to prison, because he’ll need every sheep he can muster, so he can go out with a bang.
I think/know, Trump hasn’t the slightest concern, that his lies and shit stirring will likely get people killed.
In the end, the one’s killed would be his. The one’s soon to be likely imprisoned would be Trumpers.
Of course, victims would likely be minorities, as far as Trump’s “militias” go. They wouldn’t be able to hold any captured territory, so the worst they could do is try and kill a lot of innocent people over a billionaire whose been using them for years.

I have possibly thought of moving, but politics have not been a variable in that thought process.

I have said, and continue to say, I will try to lay low, if there is violence. I don’t wish, to harm any of MY countrymen. I’m fairly certain there won’t be ANY type of issue, if Trump wins.

I think he will win. I thought this for years, and I don’t discount Harris, but Trump winning would fit the script better. Life has been INSANE.
That things like “The Simpsons,” and “Idiocracy,” that were SO sarcastic and ridiculous that they were funny once, but are proving to be fact, is fascinating.

I’m not sure about Harris. It’s going to be a challenging near future. It’s hard to see how she would be worse, but I’m unsure.
Not that my opinion matters, but I don’t have great trust in her, and her strategy is looking more and more like Hillary’s in 2016. This “I’m not Trump” strategy, doesn’t work (for some reason.)
I’m hopeful she wins, but have a list of concerns about that.

Trump. I think I’ve been pretty clear about how I feel about him.

I’ll say this; trying to be optimistic, maybe Trump will keep us out of direct war. Strategically, that could be a bad thing, but me, I just don’t want so much killing.
Trump didn’t get the US mired, in any drawn out military conflicts. I’ve always “given” him that…

More than ANYTHING, I want to be America again. What an odd time.

@Caravanfan “I only hope the Democrats are obstructionist to the orange fascist.” Define Fascist.

I will have to live the nightmare.

Won’t be any different than if Harris wins. I agree with your assessment that Trump will win though.

I will live a happy life. I will not let a piece of excrement sitting at the Oval Office spoil my fun.

@tinyfaery: Same. So grateful to be in Massachusetts.

I remember about 10 years ago, there was a Jelly here who had a child who was about 6 or 7, elementary aged, and the Jelly was saying that when Trump was elected, the child was crying for two weeks straight. I was thinking if your young child is crying for two weeks straight about the election of a president, you’re telling the child way too much. A child should be dealing with learning and school and friends, not getting scared and anxious from the parent going on about the horrors of a president or any politics at all. Only the most basic things, maybe things that can’t be avoided (like after 9/11, kids couldn’t help but overhear about the planes and stuff), should be bothering kids.

@jca2 Not just a jelly, I had several friends talking about their kids crying thinking their Latin American friends were going to be deported. My response was like yours; what the hell are these kids being exposed to and told?! It seems quite obvious they were probably upset because of how their parents were reacting to Trump. I also would ask, “are their friends undocumented?” Most people in the US do have proper documents. People were thinking Trump was going to round up everyone no matter what their status was.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, ... Wikipedia sounds totally like Trump and his maga movment.

There is the meaning you wanted wulfie, the only thing left out was a photo of your hero.

^^Wait for it. You’re going to get
lengthy explanation on how Dems themselves are committing those very acts of fascism.

I don’t doubt that for a second.

@SQUEEKY2 “Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition” @mazingerz88 is absolutely correct. We will look at those characteristics and try to determine which party really are the Fascists.

Far Right – Trump, obviously.

Authoritarian – Gotta go with the Dems on this one. They are the party that wants the big, controlling government.

Ultranationalism – Gonna go with Trump. The Dems are actively trying to destroy the country.

Dicatatorial leadership – Dems. Trump is trying to move more power to the states, removing the central government. this is not the action of a Dictatorial leader. The Dems are the party that have pushed for the overbearing central government which is a hallmark of the move to dictatorship.

Centralized Autocracy – Dems for reasons already discussed

Militarism – Dems. Trump’s was the only presidency in ages that didn’t have any wars. 2 Wars have broken out under the Dems.

Forcible suppression of opposition – Dems, for sure. The Lawfare against Trump and anyone else they see as a political threat is the start. The persecution of any conservative while protecting the storm troopers that support their goals is another example. Weaponization of the government has started under the Dems.

2 characteristics that go to Trump. 4 that go to Dems. Sorry, Dems are the party of Fascism is there has to be one. Another aspect that was noted the last time a Fascist party came to power is the control of the media and the wide spread use of propaganda. DEMS.

I find it amazing that you can’t see the forest for the trees.

@SQUEEKY2 I heard a Canadian for Trump last night say they are going after Trudeau after this. True story.

I will be living my life as usual.

I don’t live in the U.S. anymore, so idgaf. :P

I get sick thinking about it.
But I really believe an assxxxx will actually find him this time.

@jonsblond….I was 100% certain there was no way in hell he could win in 2016. I was SO sure of it.
Maybe the Electoral College will vote against any Trump owned state this time.

Wulfie you make it sound as if the states have boots on the ground in those two conflicts, all your doing is providing weapons along with other nations.

And OMG control the media your hero is saying he wants to pull the license on any media out let that doesn’t blow sunshine up his ass.

@SQUEEKY2 If you mean Israel, yes we deployed an additional 100 troops in operation THAAD as of Oct 13th. Joining about 40,000, a dozen warships and four Air Force fighter jet squadrons.
MilitaryTimes.com

@seawulf575 define fascist

I think Vance will get him out as fast as possible, then pardon him.

@Caravanfan Yes, you have a leftist piece talking about the opinion of a disgruntled former employee. And he is trying to define Fascist in the article and then use his opinion to make the claim about Trump. @SQUEEKY2 already provided a definition and I went through it step by step to show how little Trump is like a Fascist and how so many Dems ARE like them.

There’s no point interjecting reason into a Q when wulfie is on the rant but here’s a very good discussion of what fascism is and how it came to be by someone a little more knowledgeable than any of us – Heather Cox Richardson: And by the way, calling the highest military leader in Trump’s Cabinet a “disgruntled former employee” is beyond ludicrous.

“The ideology of fascism is associated with Italian journalist and politician Benito Mussolini, who articulated a new political ideology in the 1920s. Mussolini had been a socialist as a young man and had grown frustrated at how hard it was to organize people. No matter what socialists tried, they seemed unable to convince their neighbors that they must rise up and take over the country’s means of production. The efficiency of World War I inspired Mussolini to give up on socialism and develop a new political theory.

Mussolini rejected the equality that defined democracy and came to believe that some men were better than others. Those few must lead, taking a nation forward by directing the actions of the rest. They must organize the people as they had during wartime, ruthlessly suppressing all opposition and directing the economy so that business and politicians worked together. Logically, that select group of leaders would elevate a single man, who would become an all-powerful dictator. To weld their followers into an efficient machine, they demonized opponents into an “other” that their followers could hate.

This hierarchical system of government was called “fascism” after the bundle of rods tied around an axe that was the ancient Roman symbol of authority and power. Italy adopted it, and Mussolini’s ideas inspired others, notably Germany’s Adolf Hitler. These leaders believed that their new system would reclaim a glorious past with the ideology of the future, welding pure men into a military and social machine that moved all as one, while pure women supported society as mothers. They set out to eliminate those who didn’t fit their model and to destroy the messy, inefficient democracy that stood in their way.

But while today we associate fascism with this European movement, its foundational principle—that some men are better than others and have the right and even the duty to rule over the majority—runs parallel to that same strand in United States history. Indeed, Nazi lawyers and judges turned to America’s Jim Crow laws for inspiration, and Hitler looked to America’s Indigenous reservations as a way to rid a country of “unwanted” people.”

“the very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world’. Truth no longer served as either the goal or the horizon of intellectual debate; it was simply the metaphor used to exalt one’s prejudices and to crush one’s opponent.”
~George Orwell

Trump is condemned as a fascist from his own mouth.

John Kelly is not a leftist.

@janbb Kelly wasn’t the highest ranking military person in the cabinet…he was Trump’s chief of staff. And he got fired for doing a poor job in that position. He was also the one repeated the “suckers and losers” claim that Biden made. He claimed to have been present when it was said, yet basically everyone else that was there said it never happened. And all this came out AFTER he was fired. Yeah, he’s a disgruntled former employee. Anything he has to say concerning Trump needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

But thank you for the statement of history. Take a look at what Ms Richardson says and then compare it to what I listed earlier. It pretty much matches up. Let’s review:

Socialist moving towards a more authoritarian rule – Dems.
Trying to control all the production and distribution in the country – Dems
Ruthlessly suppressing any opposition – Dems.
Setting up the elite few to call all the shots – Dems. Remember, Trump is trying to move power away from him and the federal government.
Wanting women to be mothers – Trump.
I particularly liked the part of the Nazis looking to Jim Crow laws as models – Dems.

@seawulf575 You provide me so much humor in your posts. Thank you.

@Forever_Free Wulfie just chooses to ignore it when his hero does the exact same thing he condemns the dems for.
He wants to turn the military on civilian protest=TRUMP
he wants to jail anyone who opposes him=TRUMP
He wants to rewrite the constitution=TRUMP
He has said that after this election you wont have to vote again,=TRUMP(what the hell does that even mean?)

Trump Supporters

“Ruthlessly suppressing the opposition” Wasn’t it Trump recently who said he would prosecute the people who are opposed to him, if he gets elected?

Wanting women to be mothers. What if they don’t want to be mothers?

Someone on this thread hopes DJT wins and on January 20th tells his followers, it is okay to shoot -up:

FBI office

Planned Parenthood

Democratic government official

Islamic Center

Liberal college

NAACP office

Musk may pay a bounty of a million dollars !

^^^ And all the blacks and browns.

And ban ALL books.

Dismantle the school systems.

I think Trump will win. I think it will be a very dark four years, but we will get through it.

What I don’t think we will get through is if Trump is assassinated in office. Trump as a martyr is worse for this country than Trump just finishing four years and this country rebuilding from his devastation.

@jca2 “Ruthlessly suppressing the opposition” Wasn’t it Trump recently who said he would prosecute the people who are opposed to him, if he gets elected?” I don’t know. It might be, but you’d have to give a citation. But isn’t it the Dems that have brought numerous politically motivated charges against Trump? Isn’t it the Dems that lied to FISA courts to spy on political opposition? Isn’t it the Dems that declared parents that dared to speak at school board meetings to be domestic terrorists? Isn’t it the Dems that sent 20 FBI agents with full SWAT gear to the home of a right wing guy that dared to pray outside an abortion clinic to arrest him at gun point in front of his family? Isn’t it the Dems that worked with the MSM and social media companies to censor any opinions they didn’t like including canceling a former president’s account? All these and more come from the Dems.

^^Wasn’t it an FBI agent who lied to get that FISA
warrant?

Even if he was a Democrat, what if he was just willing to jeopardize his career, his entire future in order to dig deeper into Putin and Trump’s collusion?

Zero possibility he was genuinely a concerned patriotic
citizen and politics had nothing to do with it?

He may not have hated Trump but believed Putin was a threat to the US? And what if he was a Republican? An independent?

Not sure why you labeled this FISA warrant offender the “Dems.”

Btw, to you Dems are fascists? What about Trump, fascist or not?

@mazingerz88 Yes, it was likely an FBI agent that signed the paper, but I am 100% certain it wasn’t done in a vacuum. And Adam Schiff, who was heading the Intelligence Committee and the impeachments reviewed all the documents and said they were sound…no problems.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/two-4-warrants-letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406

But in a situation like this one, you can bet it went WAY up the line to even start the investigation into Trump. At least through Comey and probably all the way to Obama.

As for the belief that it was done out of patriotism is ludicrous. They relied heavily on the Steele Dossier that was bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton as opposition research. That dossier was compiled by Christopher Steele who was a completely discredited source to our own intelligence community and he relied heavily on Russian intelligence personnel to gather the data. Failing to mention to the FISA courts all this was what pissed off the FISA courts so bad and caused such a ruckus. By omitting those vital facts, the idea that this was for patriotism or that it was above board went out the window.

An all of this was done to help the Democrats so yes, I lay it at the feet of the Democrats. It was they that pushed the Russian collusion hoax for years, it was their disinformation that was used, it was their propagandist media that never bothered to actually investigate anything but said whatever the Dems wanted them to say. I’d say it is fair to blame the Dems.

^^Blinded by your bias you are hence the conclusion you reached. Not an iota given to any of those who tried to get information on Trump and Russia the benefit of a doubt eh?

But seriously, these Democrats you are judging as such are all also just ordinary Americans who are defending the country from Putin imo.

Btw again, is Trump a fascist or not?

@mazingerz88 Nope. I don’t buy it. The Muller report and the Durham report showed there was no collusion. There was no evidence of collusion. The evidence was largely made up. An honest party would have accepted that early on and dropped the entire thing instead of spending millions of dollars for a made up hoax. I get wanting to protect the country, but that begs the question then: Why did they claim Hunter’s Laptop was Russian disinformation? Why did they bury that? Why didn’t they look into the claim Biden made that he had coerced Ukraine into firing their AG by threatening to withhold aid that Congress had already approved to go to them? It’s so hard to give them any credit when they do shady stuff all the time, often with foreign adversaries, and no one seems to care.

^^Did you ever read the whole report? Or just relied on Barr and Fox News take on it? I might one day read it.

You have questions with answers that are easily explained by way of dirty politics. That’s nothing new in America.

But serious Americans already know or should know the limit and the rules our politicians must adhere to when playing dirty.

You don’t see Putin as an enemy. I do.

Here Wulfie.

Wulfie could never admit his hero is a facist, and Putin is Trump’s bestie and that makes him cool to all Trump lovers.

^He won’t seem cool when trump starts acting like a dictator.

Bet Wulfie doesn’t open the link

@mazingerz88 Have I read the whole report? No. Did I open it and sift through it? Yes. That is what I like to do with things like that. I don’t trust the media. They’ve lied so much that I take many things with a grain of salt. We’ve had thread on Fluther where I cited many parts of it and the loony lefties accused me of making stuff up. Of course they didn’t actually read it themselves (like you) but had all the knowledge of it they needed because MSNBC told them so.

Is Putin an enemy? Sure. Is he a bigger threat to this country than the Democrats. I don’t think so. And probably the biggest threat to this country is the complicit media. If they were indeed fair and unbiased, most of the crap going on that is dragging this country through the mud wouldn’t happen.

@Dutchess_III You just lost your bet. I did open the link and read through it. What I find is lefties going crazy. Trump made some observations and the left loses their mind screaming “Dictator!!!” It’s complete bullshit. The media IS lying. To argue that is lunacy. If saying they are lying is now tantamount to saying you want to be a dictator, we are a lost nation. The dictator wannabes have already won.

For statements like wanting to put the FCC and the FTC back under the Executive Branch, I think that is a good idea if they aren’t there already. I guess they could be under Congress, but I would think being under the POTUS would make more sense. I don’t say this because of wanting to control the content of the press. I say this because they are bureaucratic agencies that are issuing orders and setting rules for people without answering to anyone. They are not elected officials, they need to fall under elected officials.

And interestingly (but not surprisingly on a lefty outlet), this article argues with itself. It make a huge deal out of Trump suggesting ABC or CNN or some other propagandist outlet should lose their license. They claim that is unconstitutional. But then they go on to say those organizations don’t actually have licenses and don’t need them. So is it a threat or not? If they don’t have licenses then Trump is just making a point. If they do have licenses then they are mischaracterizing the entire thing.

What do I mean by mischaracterizing? I mean that the FCC issues licenses, they can and have revoked them before. And one of their rules that the companies have to abide by is that they cannot knowingly distort the facts or put out misinformation. These companies are doing both on a regular basis. The fact that a Democrat is running the FCC and doesn’t want to take action against organizations that are breaking the rules to help Democrats is not a surprise either. Here is a good breakdown of the legality of removing licenses. Not that I expect you to open the link or read the article.

So the fear mongering from the left his highly apparent from your article. The article claims CBS, ABC, etc don’t actually have licenses and don’t need them. Yet they broadcast stuff all the time so they do fall under the FCC’s purview and should have them. And the FCC never says they don’t have licenses, they try making it a Trump thing. So the article is lying and the FCC head is dodging. Knowingly lying is one of the things that could lose an organization their license so maybe we need to look at NPR?

And in the end, the leftist talking points that Trump said he will go after people that don’t report what he wants, is deceptive at the very least. It makes it sound like he wants to dictate to them what they can and can’t report. What he actually wants is for them to stop lying and report fairly. I understand how the left fears that so much…honesty hurts them.

You heard the trash from trumps own mouth and you just slid right past it. Astonishing @seawulf575.

@seawulf575 You are indeed lost. You, Musk, Tucker and those who cheered when Trump asked Russia to look for Hillary’s servers.

From @Dutchess_III‘s article that she linked:

While campaigning for Republican congressional candidates in 2022, Trump repeatedly pledged to jail reporters who don’t identify confidential sources on stories he considered to have national security implications.

He joked that the prospect of prison rape would loosen reporters’ lips about their sources.

“When this person realizes that he is going to be the bride of another prisoner shortly, he will say, ‘I’d very much like to tell you exactly who that was,’” Trump told an appreciative crowd at a Texas rally. And Trump said he wouldn’t limit it to the reporters: “The publisher too — or the top editors.” He made the same claim two weeks later at an Ohio rally.”

Very vile things to even joke about but apparently Trump finds it funny and he is ramping up his plans and basking in the glow of his potential power.

@seawulf575: When I watch my nightly news, it’s NBC New York, which is a local station, which has a license. From the article: “Again, news organizations do not need licenses to operate — unless they are local TV or radio stations. The parent companies of CBS, ABC and NBC own more than 80 local stations among them. All three declined comment for this story.”

And don’t forget that trump mocked a disabled reporter in 2015. A disgusting piece of filth.

Guys, guys, we’ll never get @seawurm to recognize anything negative about the Republican candidates. They have exactly the same agenda, to keep the status quo vis á vis white men as it was in the 1950s. The more that that is threatened by <gasp> an uppity woman of color, the harder he will fight against it. He feels frightened and threatened. His responses are understandable.

^^True. All this is…is all about the United States of White America.

I have to laugh at how you all scramble to defend propagandists. Very Fascist of you all.

^Back at ‘cha.

Propaganda is made up stuff. This trump shit is not made up.

If you think Trump won’t have political opponents arrested I have news for you. It’s already happening in Wisconsin. A progressive brewery owner was just arrested and put in handcuffs and jail for a misdemeanor charge.

https://www.wispolitics.com/2024/minocqua-brewing-company-owner-arrested-in-apparent-political-intimidation/#:~:text=Minocqua%2C%20WI%20%E2%80%93%20Yesterday%2C%20Kirk,likely%20unconstitutional%20state%20criminal%20statute.

“Is Putin an enemy? Sure. Is he a bigger threat to this country than the Democrats. I don’t think so.” @seawulf575 .
Putin’s “conflict” in Ukraine, has now alledgedly cost Russia over 550,000 military casualties, dozens of billions in military equipment, there are somewhere around 70,000 dead Ukrainians, and at least 120,000 wounded. He has destroyed his country’s economy, and is a major cause of famine in Africa.
Amongst a few other things…

Well. I rest my case…
Let’s get coffee.

@jonsblond I can’t say on that particular case on only the information your link provided. It gives very little. But I did find this article that gave a bit more of the history at least. And I found one interesting line in this article that says “In Wisconsin, criminal defamation is considered a Class A misdemeanor that occurs when someone is spreading false, harmful information to a third party.”

I find it interesting that you picked that particular case to push as proof that Trump would arrest political opponents. The case you chose sounds like the guy is a serial defamer. He just lost a defamation case against a local newspaper and was arrested again on another charge (apparently) for “criminal defamation”, a law that has been on the books for a long, long time. Trump had nothing to do with making it a law, no one in office today likely had anything to do with it being a law, and since we don’t know if what he did bubbled up to the level of criminal defamation your choice seems completely idiotic.

Meanwhile you ignore all the cases the Dems, particularly the Biden/Harris administration, have brought against conservatives, trying to intimidate and punish anyone that dares to disagree with and threaten the veracity of their narratives. Remember the father that was arrested at a school board meeting in VA to chew the panel out about their woke policies that led to his 14 year old daughter getting raped by a boy wearing a skirt? Yeah, the DOJ stepped in to deem that parents that dared to offend a school board member were domestic terrorists. Remember the Houck family? This might help you remember. A guy praying with others outside an abortion clinic begins getting harassed by pro-abortion activists who were threatening his son. He pushed the pro-abortion guy away and that was the end of it. Until the next morning when the FBI storms his house in a really sketchy way…20 agents, all in swat gear, pointing rifles at his head in front of his family and haul him away in chains to threaten him with 11 years in prison and 100’s of thousands of dollars in fines. Does that sound sane and rational to you or does it sound more like the Dems trying to make an example of someone that doesn’t sing their song?

The worst part is that you can’t even acknowledge that the craziness you are trying so hard to push into a narrative of what Trump is going to do, is already being perpetrated in spades by the Dems. And you support it from them. That makes you a hypocrite.

@Dutchess_III Yep, propaganda shit is made up. I give you the Kamala/60 Minutes interview where they literally re-wrote what they aired because Kamala looked so bad. That is propaganda…it’s made up shit. It is the media pushing the Charlottesville Lie. It is the media pushing the Russia Collusion hoax. It is the media calling Hunter’s Laptop “Russian disinformation”. It is the various news agencies editing video of a bunch of radicals harassing Catholic HS kids for daring to wear MAGA hats. They rewrote the story so much that one of the kids, Nick Sandmann, sued numerous outlets and got settlements out of court for hundreds of thousands of dollars. All these and more are examples of propaganda. And all of these and more are things that the MSM that you swear by are doing almost every day.

^Kirk Bangstad is not a serial defamer. He was just a small local business owner who put a large Biden sign on his business in a very conservative little tourist town during the last election. This is when local authorities began harassing him. They said his sign was too large so they made him take it down. They then began harassing him over minor issues that other businesses were not being asked to do, such as cover their dumpster. They were made to cover their dumpster or would be given fines when other businesses nearby had visible dumpsters that weren’t covered. The city is harassing him for his political views. It’s been going on for four years.

It is too awful to contemplate but I will accept the result and I won’t be invading the Capitol.

Nit made up Wulfie

Jonsblond I don’t know the man. I can only go off the facts (if they are facts) I can find. The first is that he just lost a defamation case for $750k against the owner of a local rag. Of that $750k, he paid $50k and let insurance pay another $530k. That adds up to $580k which is $170k short of the fine. You can argue all you want, but he went to court and lost a 4 year long civil case for defamation. He is later picked up for criminal defamation but I can’t find exactly who he defamed or how. It could be that he defamed the same guy as he was walking out of court. Depending on the defamation it could bubble up to the criminal statute. I don’t know and really, you don’t either as no facts are being released.

Do I believe he could be getting harassed? Sure. Would I support that harassment since he is obviously a lefty? No, I wouldn’t. I don’t support it when conservatives are the victims, I certainly don’t support it when it goes the other way. But right now there aren’t enough facts out there to claim anything for sure. And that brings us back to my comment that political harassment seems to be fine with you when the left is doing the harassing but is outrageous to you if you even think a lefty is being harassed.

Wall of text doesn’t change the facts.

Wall of text. Hilarious!
Argumentum verbosum.

^^ indubitally.

Okay, this is what I will do if Trump wins:

Blame leftists for voting for Jill Stein.

;)

@Dutchess_III & @Caravanfan Argumentum ad nauseam.

@Dutchess_III You are right, a wall of text does not change facts. But when a smaller comment offers no facts but believes opinions are facts, you sometimes have to write more so slower folks can understand. You know…talk slow, use smaller words…that sort of thing.

Remember Trump Never lies ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

@Someone quotes Trump and says it is the truth !