Members of "Free Palestine" called for a "Jew Hunt". The exact wording was "Part 2 Jew Hunt" How do you feel Amsterdam should handle increasing antisemetism?

It’s disgusting. That’s why Israel exists- so the Jews can have a homeland. “Gas the Jews” isn’t tolerated in Israel.

simply aghast.

Stunned and horrified.

I thought the Anne Frank house spoke for Amsterdam.

I think that’s a gross misrepresentation of the situation, and I think you know that.

I didn’t know much about it so I went to the NY Times site and found this:

The police in Amsterdam arrested five more people on assault charges this weekend, four of whom are still being held, over the attacks on Israeli soccer fans in the city late last week after a match between an Israeli and a Dutch team.

The total number of people who are still being held in connection to with the violence is now eight, the police said, and more arrests were possible. The people arrested were all men ranging in age from 18 to 37. The police urged people to share any video footage as a way to aid their investigation.

On Monday afternoon, Dick Schoof, the prime minister of the Netherlands, told Dutch reporters that the perpetrators who attacked Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters in Amsterdam primarily had “a migration background.”

“We have an integration problem,” Mr. Schoof said, “This is an expression of that.”

Over the past year, tensions related to the war in Gaza have been high in Amsterdam, a city with a large Muslim population angered by Israel’s conduct in the conflict, which was set off by the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas-led attack on Israel. While most of the hundreds of Gaza-related protests in Amsterdam have been peaceful, some have turned turbulent. One disrupted the opening ceremony for the city’s new Holocaust museum.

On Monday night, the unrest continued, with riot police responding to vandalism and people throwing fireworks, which set a tram on fire in a square in the western part of the city. The police urged people to stay away from the square.

In neighboring Belgium, two boys — ages 14 and 17 — were arrested in Antwerp on Sunday and Monday, Antwerp officials said, for allegedly spreading calls on social media to attack Jewish residents in the city.

Five more people, who the police said were part of a gathering in response to online calls to target Jews, were also arrested, said Kristof Aerts, the spokesman for the Antwerp public prosecutor’s office. The five were released hours later without charges.

The Antwerp police said they were continuing to monitor social media for additional incitements.

“In recent days, several messages have circulated on social media calling for violence reminiscent of what occurred in Amsterdam,” Wouter Bruyns, the spokesman for the Antwerp police, said in a statement on Monday.

The violence in Amsterdam last week unfolded during days of unrest tied to the soccer match on Thursday between Ajax, Amsterdam’s soccer team, and Maccabi Tel Aviv, an Israeli team. Tensions had risen a day earlier, when Israeli fans vandalized a taxi, burned a Palestinian flag in the city and chanted incendiary and racist slogans, according to the police.

Mr. Schoof said he condemned such behavior by the Maccabi fans, but added that it was no excuse for the targeted attacks on Israelis, which he described as “unadulterated antisemitism.”

After the soccer game, groups of men, some riding scooters, kicked and beat Israeli fans, sending five people to the hospital and lightly wounding 20 to 30 others, in what the police described as “hit and run” attacks.

At least 12 videos verified by The New York Times depicted groups of men questioning, chasing or beating people who were apparently targeted as Maccabi fans.

“Nothing is an excuse for hunting Jews,” Mr. Schoof said. He added that his priorities were to fight antisemitism and to “arrest those people who did this.”

The question itself is pretty antisemitic and there are comments here that are even spreading the seeds of holocaust denial. It’s not a “Jew hunt”.

Do. Not. Conflate. Zionism with Jews. Or you will get people who will conflate Zionist/Israeli horrors and genocide with Judaism.

@Demosthenes is correct.

The NYT and other rags are doing some dangerous work here. Conveniently omitted from all pro-Israel sources are the incidents that sparked the whole mess. Nothing about the Israeli hooligans (traveling with Mossad agents) roaming the streets, chanting “Fuck the Arabs!”, beating a Moroccan cab driver, tearing down Palestinian flags, etc. Just the response.

Maybe don’t commit fucking genocide and then go around rubbing it in the face of the world. Plus, this is football/soccer. Related violence is not uncommon.

The whole point of this shit is to fuel the narrative that Jews are unsafe unless they have their own ethnostate built on the blood of dead Palestinians (and Lebanon, the whole region, etc).

How Israel is even able to have international soccer matches while they are committing genocide is mind blowing.

What @Demosthenes said.

I wrote an opinion on this on another Q, but hard for me to find.

I think the PM’s statements are basically saying in the Netherlands and Europe there should not be threats, vandalism, violence, or any other harmful behavior regarding a conflict in the Middle East. People should feel safe to walk down the streets or play a sport in Holland or anywhere in Europe or in the US for that matter too.

I would be horrified if anything like this happened where I live, no matter what group was being targeted. I expect to get along with Arabs and Muslims in the United States of America and always have, and a war in Gaza shouldn’t affect the harmony here whether I am Jewish or not or whether we have some differences of opinion.

It sounded to me like young men got wound up, did some crappy things like pull down flags, offensive chants, but then they were beaten badly in retaliation. From what I understand only one side was violent, but I might have insufficient info. In fact, maybe none of us have the complete picture of everything that happened.

I hate when Palestinian and Israeli flags are used to be in the face of the other side. I don’t support chanting hateful or threatening things. I want to ask someone fluent in Hebrew if the translation I heard was correct. I don’t know if people were purposely hanging Palestinian flags because the Israeli team was coming, which I don’t like at all if that was the case, however, it is probably legal to put up a flag.

I expect sports to be void of politics and certainly void of hate and violence.

Amsterdam should arrest the vandals and arrest the attackers and deal with them with commensurate punishment after analyzing the evidence.

From the article @jca2 posted: In neighboring Belgium, two boys ages 14 and 17 were arrested in Antwerp on Sunday and Monday, Antwerp officials said, for allegedly spreading calls on social media to attack Jewish residents in the city…Five more people, who the police said were part of a gathering in response to online calls to target Jews. That sounds like targeting any Jews. If that isn’t antisemitic I don’t know what is.

I think it makes it crystal clear that anti-Zionism is actually anti-semitism, and that Hamas’s (and Iran) want to get rid of the Jews.

In case there was any doubt.

“Racist Israel soccer hooligans causing chaos in Amsterdam” really sums up how this affair started and is the key part of this story not being told. Yes, there was a reaction to the chaos these Israeli fans started. I’m sure some genuine anti-Semites (read: not anti-Zionists) joined in. But this story isn’t being talked about or reported on honestly. It’s being told only with massive parts omitted to serve a specific narrative (i.e. that innocent Israelis were attacked for no reason in an anti-Semitic pogrom). That narrative, however, is BS.

^^Most stories that I’ve read did not say innocent Israelis were attacked. The stories said there were Palestinian flags up, Israelis took them down akin to vandalism, some Israelis were chanting something anti-Arab at one point, and then the Israelis were targeted to be beaten to a pulp. There has been reports to hunt down Jews in the Netherlands and neighboring Belgium.

I think we for sure are missing information, so we agree there. The reporting only has highlights of course, like most reporting about everything.

What I wonder is, if Hollanders welcomed the Israeli team by waving Palestinian flags in their faces do you think that’s ok?

Should countries not allow Israeli teams to play anymore as a boycott?

Do you consider every Israeli a zionist?

Do you consider Palestinians a different race than Israelis or you just use the term race loosely to mean any group thinking another group is beneath them or some other negative feeling towards the group.

An excellent piece on how this story was twisted around from being about Israell soccer hooligans terrorizing local Dutch people to having the script flipped by the media. Why would the media lie? What motivations could they have for making the attackers out to be the victims? Who owns the media outlets who engaged in this disinformation and what are their motivations? What does this imply about our ability to trust them regarding other news coverage about Israel?

@gorillapaws Who exactly is this guy in your video? So, it was Maccabi fans doing the attack? Is that Dutch citizens? I’m still confused.

I continually say that too many “news” is cherry picked, edited, twisted, and just helps Trump be able to say “fake news.” Then you have news organizations just copy pasting information. Very few news organization do their own investigative reporters.

I’m leaving this as young men being horrible. Something that happens all too often around the world.

@JLeslie He’s Richard Sanders, a producer and journalist.

@gorillapaws Thanks. It looks like he’s obsessed with Gaza.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

@JLeslie “I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.”

Why? argumentum ad temperantiam perhaps?

^^No, because why do you trust anyone to be completely unbiased at this point?

We aren’t there. We aren’t in Gaza and we aren’t in Israel, and we aren’t in Amsterdam.

Sanders seems obviously biased to me.

He’s showing the actual footage of the events. It’s a primary source. You can see the dudes in Maccabi outfits rampaging for yourself in the clips. And then other clips of them doing the same things in other cities. You can hear from the woman, herself who filmed it complaining about how her reporting has been hijacked. It’s not about trust, it’s about examining the evidence.

I saw it. I’m not saying those things didn’t happen.